Be honest with me, am I going to hell forever or not?

[Alisha86]

No, not maybe . He does. He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him.

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. (heb 11:6)

See, believing in his goodness and goodwill towards you, is just as important as believing he exists.

Oh ok

 

[TDidymas]

The holy spirit left me months ago like months ago I feel so numb no remorse no conviction no guilt no worries no fear no nothing like a zombie n yet I kept sinning more wen he try 2 give me a dream it's a done deal

It looks like my advice to the OP applies to you also:

1. Have you started taking my advice, reading Ephesians (like every day for the next month)?

2. Many of us have what is called "a wilderness experience" (analogous to the book of Numbers), where God seems far away and silent, in which God tests our faith. Real faith endures, because therein does a person trust God regardless of how they feel. Faith is more than feeling, more than imagination, and more than even knowledge. If you understand God is a God of promise, then trusting Him through any situation is faith.

3. I've had times of silence from God on issues important to me, and yet God has spoken to me answers to prayers I never asked. Usually those are times of correction.

4. I recommend to abandon faith in your feelings about God, and start trusting more in His word.
What do you think about this?

 

[Alisha86]

It looks like my advice to the OP applies to you also:

1. Have you started taking my advice, reading Ephesians (like every day for the next month)?

2. Many of us have what is called "a wilderness experience" (analogous to the book of Numbers), where God seems far away and silent, in which God tests our faith. Real faith endures, because therein does a person trust God regardless of how they feel. Faith is more than feeling, more than imagination, and more than even knowledge. If you understand God is a God of promise, then trusting Him through any situation is faith.

3. I've had times of silence from God on issues important to me, and yet God has spoken to me answers to prayers I never asked. Usually those are times of correction.

4. I recommend to abandon faith in your feelings about God, and start trusting more in His word.
What do you think about this?

Oh ok idk

 

[soberxp]

I understand that those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit do not want people to be saved that no matter good people or bad people.

 

[Alisha86]

I understand that those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit do not want people to be saved that no matter good people or bad people.

Ok yeah I guess

 

[ResidentAlien]

I still believe that this may not work. I believed that I must have messed up my chances of getting into heaven forever. But I heard good advice: wether or not I am doomed to hell, continue to serve Christ and warn others not to make the same mistakes like me.

Daniel, what I'm about to say I don't say because I think I'm better than you. I say it because I love you in Christ. I've been where you are and things never got better for me until I realized it was all between me and God. No one else can do it for you.

I've been listening to you, and though I don't really know you I think you have things going on that have nothing to do with the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. From what you've said you haven't done that. You're latching onto that as an excuse and are wallowing in self-pity. You're expecting someone else to say something that will make it all well and prevent you from doing any difficult work to help yourself.

No one ever said being a Christian is easy. Don't give up. Sometimes we have to go through a lot of darkness to get to the light.

 

[ChrisTillinen]

I used to love God with my whole heart. I saw and experienced the power of the Holy Spirit very strongly in the church. When I was 14, I first heard about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. I never gave it much thought until later kept on thinking about it. I looked up the verses and it spoke about what the pharisees said about Jesus Christ. I kept having these thoughts in my head and I didn't want to really do it. It sucks badly. One day, I was having these thoughts and I had some doubts and I actually believed one of these blasphemous thoughts about what the pharisees said about Jesus's miracles when they accused him of demonic power and I tried to rebuke it from my heart but it was too late. I tried to come to Christ and repent several times but nothing happened. No heart conversion or conviction of my wrongdoings. I hate myself. I just wished that I never heard about the unpardonable sin. It seems too late and I don't know what to do next.

Few things come to mind.
1. The situation with the pharisees was quite different. They were in a position to directly witness the power of God in Jesus's miracles, and they made a very public charge against Jesus's ministry of healing and exorcism. Not comparable to a momentary private thought.
2. Even then, it's far from clear to me from the text that even these pharisees had actually committed the kind of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that Jesus referred to. It would perhaps make sense to think that Jesus was warning them rather than saying they had already committed it.
3. The power of Christ's atoning work is amazing beyond our comprehension. The idea that a momentary blasphemous thought about the Holy Spirit would forever remove that from a person just seems very implausible. Especially because it seems rather common that people occasionally think all kinds of weird thoughts, and our thoughts don't even seem to be completely in our direct conscious control (see Intrusive Thoughts (Wikipedia).
4. While emotions may be the spice of life in general, they are not any inerrant guide to our spiritual status. Expecting to always have the same kind of emotional reactions that can be used to gauge one's acceptance (or lack thereof) by God can be very tricky and needlessly anxiety-inducing.

 

[Saul-to-Paul]

Would you provide evidence - preferably biblically - for this assertion?

Matt 12: 31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

 

[Daniel1910]

Few things come to mind.
1. The situation with the pharisees was quite different. They were in a position to directly witness the power of God in Jesus's miracles, and they made a very public charge against Jesus's ministry of healing and exorcism. Not comparable to a momentary private thought.
2. Even then, it's far from clear to me from the text that even these pharisees had actually committed the kind of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that Jesus referred to. It would perhaps make sense to think that Jesus was warning them rather than saying they had already committed it.
3. The power of Christ's atoning work is amazing beyond our comprehension. The idea that a momentary blasphemous thought about the Holy Spirit would forever remove that from a person just seems very implausible. Especially because it seems rather common that people occasionally think all kinds of weird thoughts, and our thoughts don't even seem to be completely in our direct conscious control (see Intrusive Thoughts (Wikipedia).
4. While emotions may be the spice of life in general, they are not any inerrant guide to our spiritual status. Expecting to always have the same kind of emotional reactions that can be used to gauge one's acceptance (or lack thereof) by God can be very tricky and needlessly anxiety-inducing.

No, thoughts and beliefs are two different things. There was a time in my life at age 14 after hearing about the unforgivable sin, I believed the lie of the pharisees when they said that Jesus has a demonic spirit and it's too late for me. I tried to stop that from happening but everything happened so fast.

 

[ChrisTillinen]

No, thoughts and beliefs are two different things. There was a time in my life at age 14 after hearing about the unforgivable sin, I believed the lie of the pharisees when they said that Jesus has a demonic spirit and it's too late for me. I tried to stop that from happening but everything happened so fast.

The "I tried to stop that from happening but everything happened so fast" part makes me think that this may not have been exactly what one would typically call a belief. Can you really "stop a belief" like that? I wouldn't necessarily draw as hard a distinction between "beliefs" that occur very briefly and can be actively stopped vs just thoughts.

 

[Daniel1910]

The "I tried to stop that from happening but everything happened so fast" part makes me think that this may not have been exactly what one would typically call a belief. Can you really "stop a belief" like that? I wouldn't necessarily draw as hard a distinction between "beliefs" that occur very briefly and can be actively stopped vs just thoughts.

But it was a belief and I really messed up. I didn't mean to. It's tough to explain all of this. I just wish that I never heard of this sin.

 

[TDidymas]

But it was a belief and I really messed up. I didn't mean to. It's tough to explain all of this. I just wish that I never heard of this sin.

1. Can you describe in detail what you mean by believing the lie of the pharisees? (I assume you mean that you actually believed that Jesus' miracles were of the devil). What exactly did that entail? What do you mean by "belief"?

2. And, do you still believe that "lie," or are you now convinced it's a lie?

 

[Daniel1910]

1. Can you describe in detail what you mean by believing the lie of the pharisees? (I assume you mean that you actually believed that Jesus' miracles were of the devil). What exactly did that entail? What do you mean by "belief"?

2. And, do you still believe that "lie," or are you now convinced it's a lie?

1. Well, yes I mean exactly that but that happened at age 14 at the time.

2. No, I don't believe that anymore.

However, I feel like even though I don't believe that anymore, the damage has been done already for my eternal status with God.

 

[TDidymas]

1. Well, yes I mean exactly that but that happened at age 14 at the time.

2. No, I don't believe that anymore.

However, I feel like even though I don't believe that anymore, the damage has been done already for my eternal status with God.

You need to learn how to separate your past sins from your present identity. Your past sins only make who you are if you are not willing to trust God to make you His. Since you don't believe that nonsense any more, why let that define your relationship with God you can have now?

Granted, there are some sins God won't forgive IN THIS LIFE ONLY. Such as: Moses acting in anger, and God didn't let him into the promised land, but he did make it to paradise, as shown by the fact that he spoke with Jesus. But that has to do with consequences of sin in this life, which should not be extrapolated to eternity. Another example is that King David didn't get to build the temple because he shed much blood in his life. Nevertheless, he was known as a man after God's own heart.

I also got the idea that God didn't let me have romance in this life because of past perversions I committed. I have to let that be ok, and understand that's a consequence in this life. But I have to separate that from my eternal relationship with God and trust that His promise to keep me in His care will prevail in the resurrection.

The idea is to stop living in the past, and redefine our relationship with God in the now by following Jesus' words. If we trust that Jesus saves us from the eternal penalty of sin, and that He delivers us from present temptations, then we belong to Christ, and should be declaring our identity as God's sons.

So like I said before, my recommendation is to pay less attention to feelings and more attention to what scripture teaches. I also recommend memorizing pertinent scriptures to use as a weapon against "the firey darts of the evil one." If you accept God's promise to forgive you for Jesus' sake, then guilty feelings start to become a strategy of the devil to keep you down.

 

[JTB]

1. Well, yes I mean exactly that but that happened at age 14 at the time.

2. No, I don't believe that anymore.

However, I feel like even though I don't believe that anymore, the damage has been done already for my eternal status with God.

If that were the case you wouldn't be concerned with it now.

When those fears arise you need but one answer: "Get thee behind me, satan!". THAT is who is sowing doubt. And he only attacks those he fears.

 

[Daniel1910]

You need to learn how to separate your past sins from your present identity. Your past sins only make who you are if you are not willing to trust God to make you His. Since you don't believe that nonsense any more, why let that define your relationship with God you can have now?

Granted, there are some sins God won't forgive IN THIS LIFE ONLY. Such as: Moses acting in anger, and God didn't let him into the promised land, but he did make it to paradise, as shown by the fact that he spoke with Jesus. But that has to do with consequences of sin in this life, which should not be extrapolated to eternity. Another example is that King David didn't get to build the temple because he shed much blood in his life. Nevertheless, he was known as a man after God's own heart.

I also got the idea that God didn't let me have romance in this life because of past perversions I committed. I have to let that be ok, and understand that's a consequence in this life. But I have to separate that from my eternal relationship with God and trust that His promise to keep me in His care will prevail in the resurrection.

The idea is to stop living in the past, and redefine our relationship with God in the now by following Jesus' words. If we trust that Jesus saves us from the eternal penalty of sin, and that He delivers us from present temptations, then we belong to Christ, and should be declaring our identity as God's sons.

So like I said before, my recommendation is to pay less attention to feelings and more attention to what scripture teaches. I also recommend memorizing pertinent scriptures to use as a weapon against "the firey darts of the evil one." If you accept God's promise to forgive you for Jesus' sake, then guilty feelings start to become a strategy of the devil to keep you down.

As I said, I understand what the Bible says about God's grace and mercy but according to what I did many years ago at the age of 14 as a kid, I feel like the damage has been done already and there's no hope. It's tough for me to move on and I truly feel damned. I think my life would have been better if I never heard of the unforgivable sin.

 

[Daniel1910]

If that were the case you wouldn't be concerned with it now.

When those fears arise you need but one answer: "Get thee behind me, satan!". THAT is who is sowing doubt. And he only attacks those he fears.

You said "If that were the case you wouldn't be concerned with it now." What do you mean by that? I still feel screwed because I don't have the conviction that leads unto repentance.

 

[JTB]

You said "If that were the case you wouldn't be concerned with it now." What do you mean by that? I still feel screwed because I don't have the conviction that leads unto repentance.

People who have truly blasphemed are not concerned about it. The fact you are concerned IS evidence of conviction. Worrying about it IS a form of repentance. Now you have to accept that you have been forgiven and God has forgotten it.

 

[Tararose]

the sin was in seeing the indisputable work of GOD, with their own eyes and then attributing it to satan. I dont really now of anyone who can say that has happened to them these days. That is like you walking in a morgue to confirm the identity of a body for example, and a total stranger comes in and says rise in the name of Christ, the dead literally all coming back to life before your very eyes, and you then say, nah that there was the power of satan.

You have not done that.

 

[TDidymas]

As I said, I understand what the Bible says about God's grace and mercy but according to what I did many years ago at the age of 14 as a kid, I feel like the damage has been done already and there's no hope. It's tough for me to move on and I truly feel damned. I think my life would have been better if I never heard of the unforgivable sin.

You were wrongly educated, and it's hindering you. If Jesus thought that blasphemy against the Spirit one time is completely unforgivable, He would not have said that to the Pharisees who blasphemed, but rather would have said it to His disciples in private. But He said it to the Pharisees to give them a chance to change their minds and accept Him as the Messiah. So the implication is that it would not be forgiven if they persisted in it and never repented (which some of them did). But some likely repented and were added to the church on Pentecost. IMO whoever claims that doing it one time only in ignorance incurs eternal condemnation doesn't know what they are talking about. If you know God is merciful and grace is unmerited, then why don't you simply forgive yourself and accept God's forgiveness and move on? It just seems to me that your feelings, false guilt, and bad doctrine have you imprisoned. "If the Son sets you free, you shall be free indeed."