Anti-vaxxers are people too?

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Anti-vaxxers are people, too?

  • Anti-vaxxers are people, but as they are wrong, they should remain silent.

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  • Anti-vaxxers aren't people and will likely die of corona-virus (or monkey pox).

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JohnDB

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#62
It's called demand opposition.
Because someone demands something of you, you instantly refuse.

Like "stop eating lead paint"
"No, I'm not going to stop, it's good for you because it's full of minerals "

"It's only the smart people who eat lead paint"

And on and on it goes.
 
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#63
What about Circle back?

What about New Normal?
Every time I heard the phrase "Circle back", I think of that depraved movie, Circle Back Mountain. And I never even watched the movie - just heard about it from others.
 
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There is no difference between people who take a vaccine and people which dont. Except the one are vaccined and the others are not. We should push it not to an question of beeing a human, if someone is vaccined ore not vaccined. To be vaccined or not is an decision everybody has to wear the consequences. How ever they look like.
And special among Christians there should be no twist in this matter. The vaccined will go in the same way to heaven then an unvaccined person.
I think of unvaccinated as trusting in God's perfect wisdom and design, whereas vaccinated, you're sorta trusting in the fallible scientism of so-called scientists who, quite frankly, should never have graduated science school.

Yes, Jesus loves all of us. But He also tells us to be shrewd as snakes. Taking vaccines, in my view, is being about as shrewd as a dove.
 

ZNP

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#65
I think of unvaccinated as trusting in God's perfect wisdom and design, whereas vaccinated, you're sorta trusting in the fallible scientism of so-called scientists who, quite frankly, should never have graduated science school.

Yes, Jesus loves all of us. But He also tells us to be shrewd as snakes. Taking vaccines, in my view, is being about as shrewd as a dove.
Yes, every time I ever studied criminals I was always impressed with how stupid they are. By the time they are 40 they have a felony record, have spent ten years in prison, and live in their mother's basement and work as a short order cook. Those are the ones who are alive. Life expectancy for criminals is half that for everyone else. They are also much more likely to be victims of crime and unlike the rest of us they can't go to the police. Being a victim is like their job description.

That was until I learned about bankers, Big Pharma, and stock brokers like the Wolf of Wall Street. 2008 we had thousands of criminals working in banking, they could have all been sent to prison for breaking the law but instead we are told "they are too big to fail" hence no one got prosecuted. Talk about straining out the gnat and swallowing the camel. Criminals like Madoff had family, even grandkids, nice homes, fat bank accounts, etc. These were the smart criminals. In the end it is still the same for them, but when you think of the "Godfather" I always remember that line where Michael tells his bride to be "now who is being naive" when she thinks judges and politicians are not criminals.
 

PennEd

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#67
These poor souls that were slaughtered by the lethal injection aren't going on with their lives:

Ali Muhammad: 17-year-old New Jersey football player dies in his sleep


Matthew Rodrigopulle: 24-year-old Canadian journalist “dies suddenly” at his home

Stacey Gallimore: 29-year-old Florida woman dies suddenly at home

Corey Tapp: 43-year-old Canadian musician dies “suddenly and unexpectedly”

Lorenzo Squillace: 18-year-old Italian lifeguard dies suddenly after rapid illness



Christy Smith: 29-year-old Pennsylvania woman dies unexpectedly



The sickening list goes on and on. All were vaccinated, most enthusiastically.
 

ZNP

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These poor souls that were slaughtered by the lethal injection aren't going on with their lives:

Ali Muhammad: 17-year-old New Jersey football player dies in his sleep


Matthew Rodrigopulle: 24-year-old Canadian journalist “dies suddenly” at his home

Stacey Gallimore: 29-year-old Florida woman dies suddenly at home

Corey Tapp: 43-year-old Canadian musician dies “suddenly and unexpectedly”

Lorenzo Squillace: 18-year-old Italian lifeguard dies suddenly after rapid illness



Christy Smith: 29-year-old Pennsylvania woman dies unexpectedly



The sickening list goes on and on. All were vaccinated, most enthusiastically.
My two biggest concerns are with children who were forced by adults to be vaccinated and all those who were not given the information necessary for informed consent.

If you are an adult and made your decision based on what you feel was right for you that is your business, I don't care.

But if you feel you were coerced, forced, or not given adequate information to make your decision then I hope you join a class action lawsuit and take their pensions.
 

Dude653

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#69
These poor souls that were slaughtered by the lethal injection aren't going on with their lives:

Ali Muhammad: 17-year-old New Jersey football player dies in his sleep


Matthew Rodrigopulle: 24-year-old Canadian journalist “dies suddenly” at his home

Stacey Gallimore: 29-year-old Florida woman dies suddenly at home

Corey Tapp: 43-year-old Canadian musician dies “suddenly and unexpectedly”

Lorenzo Squillace: 18-year-old Italian lifeguard dies suddenly after rapid illness



Christy Smith: 29-year-old Pennsylvania woman dies unexpectedly



The sickening list goes on and on. All were vaccinated, most enthusiastically.
Literally every vaccine ever has had a few casualties. It's just an unfortunate side effect. In an alternate universe where peanut butter cure salvage, there would still be a few people who would die from eating the peanut butter
 

wolfwint

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Really? Then it means that you have gone from reality to fantasy.
Then tell me the different. Is an unvaccined Christian more spiritual then a vaccined Christian? Or does an unvaccined Christian follows more Jesus, then an vaccined Christian?
 

wolfwint

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I think of unvaccinated as trusting in God's perfect wisdom and design, whereas vaccinated, you're sorta trusting in the fallible scientism of so-called scientists who, quite frankly, should never have graduated science school.

Yes, Jesus loves all of us. But He also tells us to be shrewd as snakes. Taking vaccines, in my view, is being about as shrewd as a dove.
Thats your view. Btw an vaccined Christian does not trust less to Jesus then an unvaccined Christian.
You trusting everyday anykind of sience in your daily life, right?
 

ZNP

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Literally every vaccine ever has had a few casualties. It's just an unfortunate side effect. In an alternate universe where peanut butter cure salvage, there would still be a few people who would die from eating the peanut butter
No, you assume that a vaccine is a necessary evil. You calculate that if we save 1,000 lives it is OK if we lose 100.

HCQ operates similar to what the Lord said about "salt being good". Salt disrupts the homeostasis of an organism. In the same way HCQ disrupts the homeostasis of these simple organism. Imagine a pill you don't need a prescription for, you don't need to see a doctor to use, you can put it in water and drink it whenever you feel you are coming down with something, it costs $0.10 for a liter of water, more than enough for two people who think they may be coming down with something.

Not only so but it works for all viral infections, doesn't matter which one. You can use it for the flu, HIV, Covid19 or even Ebola. The earlier you use it the more effective it is. Nor does it replace good hygiene and good health.

Just because some guy took pus from a person infected with small pox, injected it into themselves and didn't die does not mean that is the best and only way to deal with viral infections forever more.
 

wolfwint

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These poor souls that were slaughtered by the lethal injection aren't going on with their lives:

Ali Muhammad: 17-year-old New Jersey football player dies in his sleep


Matthew Rodrigopulle: 24-year-old Canadian journalist “dies suddenly” at his home

Stacey Gallimore: 29-year-old Florida woman dies suddenly at home

Corey Tapp: 43-year-old Canadian musician dies “suddenly and unexpectedly”

Lorenzo Squillace: 18-year-old Italian lifeguard dies suddenly after rapid illness



Christy Smith: 29-year-old Pennsylvania woman dies unexpectedly



The sickening list goes on and on. All were vaccinated, most enthusiastically.
The list of Covid and long covid sickening is much longer!
 

ZNP

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#74
The list of Covid and long covid sickening is much longer!
You have not been keeping up with the studies that have been done.

1. New England Journal of Medicine did a study showing that after a few months the vaccine showed a negative efficacy, meaning those that were vaccinated were more likely to get sick than those who weren't. It did have a very short term 3-4 month period where it did seem to reduce you chance of getting sick but after that you were more likely and it got worse with each shot so that it was clear your immune system was being seriously impaired if you got 4 shots.

2. Harvard and John's Hopkins university did a statistical analysis that showed there were 18 to 98 serious adverse reactions from the vaccine for every person who avoided hospitalization from the vaccine. When you combine this with the fact that HCQ, Ivermectin, and antibodies have all been proven to be very effective to anyone who is sick and Quercetin and Zinc are very effective at boosting your immune system prior to getting sick, and vitamin D is directly correlated to how sick you get there is really no compelling reason for the vast majority of people to get the vaccine.

3. Denmark and the UK both have been limiting who gets the vaccine. In Denmark they will not give the vaccine to a kid unless a doctor prescribes it due to some serious condition that would seem to make that kid a very special case.

What these three points show, with peer reviewed scientific studies and statistical analysis of very large data sets is that you are wrong. Stop spreading disinformation. There are not more people getting sick from Covid than are being harmed by the vaccine.
 

wolfwint

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You have not been keeping up with the studies that have been done.

1. New England Journal of Medicine did a study showing that after a few months the vaccine showed a negative efficacy, meaning those that were vaccinated were more likely to get sick than those who weren't. It did have a very short term 3-4 month period where it did seem to reduce you chance of getting sick but after that you were more likely and it got worse with each shot so that it was clear your immune system was being seriously impaired if you got 4 shots.

2. Harvard and John's Hopkins university did a statistical analysis that showed there were 18 to 98 serious adverse reactions from the vaccine for every person who avoided hospitalization from the vaccine. When you combine this with the fact that HCQ, Ivermectin, and antibodies have all been proven to be very effective to anyone who is sick and Quercetin and Zinc are very effective at boosting your immune system prior to getting sick, and vitamin D is directly correlated to how sick you get there is really no compelling reason for the vast majority of people to get the vaccine.

3. Denmark and the UK both have been limiting who gets the vaccine. In Denmark they will not give the vaccine to a kid unless a doctor prescribes it due to some serious condition that would seem to make that kid a very special case.

What these three points show, with peer reviewed scientific studies and statistical analysis of very large data sets is that you are wrong. Stop spreading disinformation. There are not more people getting sick from Covid than are being harmed by the vaccine.
Believe what you want. Till today more people died because of the virus. And also more people got serious health problems becausecof the virus, then to the vaccine.
This is no disinformation.
Show me the proof that more people died because of the vaccine then the virus, before you call me to spread disinformation.
 

ZNP

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#76
Believe what you want. Till today more people died because of the virus. And also more people got serious health problems becausecof the virus, then to the vaccine.
This is no disinformation.
Show me the proof that more people died because of the vaccine then the virus, before you call me to spread disinformation.
I'm sorry but you don't get to make up the facts. We have scientific, peer reviewed studies with some of the most prestigious institutions in the US.

What do you have, your opinion. Your opinion is disinformation. You have been fact checked and found to be false.

We have already posted the studies. In addition to these two studies you have the actions of Denmark and the UK, both indicating they will all but stop administering the vaccine to the majority of people.
 

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Nehemiah6

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#77
I think of unvaccinated as trusting in God's perfect wisdom and design, whereas vaccinated, you're sorta trusting in the fallible scientism of so-called scientists who, quite frankly, should never have graduated science school.
It is important to state "Unvaccinated with bogus vaccines".

GENUINE VACCINES
There are genuine vaccines and bogus vaccines. So let's review the reality of natural immunity and induced immunity. God has created a masterpiece of an immune system in each human being. As long as that person takes care of himself/herself, this system works perfectly. This means proper nutrition, rest, exercise, and hygiene. So when a microbial invader attacks the body, the God-given immune system goes on the defensive immediately, and protects the body by creating antibodies against the antigens. What vaccination does is what one might call a "pre-emptive strike". A genuine virus is "attenuated" (rendered harmless) and injected into the body. This brings about the creation of antibodies (which remain in the body) and basically immunizes that person against showing symptoms of the infection.

BOGUS VACCINES
Bogus vaccines have illegally been called "vaccines" since they do not produce any immunity. Quite the opposite. mRNA creates spike proteins which actually ATTACK the immune system, and make the person more susceptible to the infection. But if you have a nefarious agenda to depopulate the globe, this is a perfect BIOWEAPON. So both coronavirus and the bogus COVID vaccines were bioweapons, and now healthy people are dropping dead like flies. You couldn't ask for a better method of genocide! The Nazis would simply love the COVID Nazis. And let's not forget that the authorities in Israel created their own little "Holocaust" by insisting on vaccinating their people. Now they are trying to hide the damaging evidence of their own "Holocaust".

61,000 Millennials Aged 25 to 44 Died in 2021 After COVID Vaccine Mandates – 84% Increase in Mortality Rate

‘Unethical’ And Up To 98 Times Worse Than The Disease

FDA Refuses To Provide Key COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Analyses

Declaration Of International Medical Crisis Due To Effects Of Covid Vaxxes

So after all these reports, if any Christian refuses to accept the facts, that person becomes a minion of Satan. It is the Satanists who have unleashed these bioweapons, and there could be more to come.
 

wolfwint

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I'm sorry but you don't get to make up the facts. We have scientific, peer reviewed studies with some of the most prestigious institutions in the US.

What do you have, your opinion. Your opinion is disinformation. You have been fact checked and found to be false.

We have already posted the studies. In addition to these two studies you have the actions of Denmark and the UK, both indicating they will all but stop administering the vaccine to the majority of people.
I know from germany that 149 000 people died because of Covid. And around 2.255 died after an vaccineinjection. = 0.02% per 1000 shots. ( But in this cases is not clear it was because of the vaccine or any else reason)
This are also facts. And even if the number would be 10 times higher. More died because of the virus. And the same with the deseases. Multi time more people suffer because of the virus then the vaccine.
But it seens me you are only looking what supports your view insteadt to compare.
As I said: believe what you want. But I dont spread desinformation.
 

wolfwint

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It is important to state "Unvaccinated with bogus vaccines".

GENUINE VACCINES
There are genuine vaccines and bogus vaccines. So let's review the reality of natural immunity and induced immunity. God has created a masterpiece of an immune system in each human being. As long as that person takes care of himself/herself, this system works perfectly. This means proper nutrition, rest, exercise, and hygiene. So when a microbial invader attacks the body, the God-given immune system goes on the defensive immediately, and protects the body by creating antibodies against the antigens. What vaccination does is what one might call a "pre-emptive strike". A genuine virus is "attenuated" (rendered harmless) and injected into the body. This brings about the creation of antibodies (which remain in the body) and basically immunizes that person against showing symptoms of the infection.

BOGUS VACCINES
Bogus vaccines have illegally been called "vaccines" since they do not produce any immunity. Quite the opposite. mRNA creates spike proteins which actually ATTACK the immune system, and make the person more susceptible to the infection. But if you have a nefarious agenda to depopulate the globe, this is a perfect BIOWEAPON. So both coronavirus and the bogus COVID vaccines were bioweapons, and now healthy people are dropping dead like flies. You couldn't ask for a better method of genocide! The Nazis would simply love the COVID Nazis. And let's not forget that the authorities in Israel created their own little "Holocaust" by insisting on vaccinating their people. Now they are trying to hide the damaging evidence of their own "Holocaust".

61,000 Millennials Aged 25 to 44 Died in 2021 After COVID Vaccine Mandates – 84% Increase in Mortality Rate

‘Unethical’ And Up To 98 Times Worse Than The Disease

FDA Refuses To Provide Key COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Analyses

Declaration Of International Medical Crisis Due To Effects Of Covid Vaxxes

So after all these reports, if any Christian refuses to accept the facts, that person becomes a minion of Satan. It is the Satanists who have unleashed these bioweapons, and there could be more to come.
The vaccine has so much to do with Satan as useing the Internet.
 

Nehemiah6

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The vaccine has so much to do with Satan as useing the Internet.
Of course. To deceive people into believing that a BOGUS VACCINE is an actual vaccine. Just like he has deceived you and many others over the last three years.

Former HHS Advisor Compares Covid mRNA Jabs to Bioweapons – Must See Interview
https://www.infowars.com/posts/former-hhs-advisor-compares-covid-mrna-jabs-to-bioweapons/

This is exactly what I have said in post #77. And you have marked it with a red X to try and deceive and mislead people. Shame on you.