Question

[Cameron143]

I sincerely apologize for my abrasive tone. I was merely trying to point out that most of the teachings of Jesus, as well as Apostolic teaching, has its roots in the Old Testament.
Grace and mercy and faith and love are the hallmarks of the OT. Some examples:

Habakkuk 2: ...the just shall live by faith..
Leviticus19:..love thy neighbor as thyself...

These aren't new themes. They were just misunderstood by the religious leaders. Remember it was a scribe who asked Jesus who his neighbor was. And Jesus rebuked Nicodemus for not understanding salvation. He was a Pharisee.
Again, please accept my heartfelt apology.

 

[Thewatchman]

The Parable of the Weeds​

Matthew 13:24-30​

24. Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

Gods kingdom is like a man which sowed good seed in his field. There is only good seed; good things, in Gods kingdom.



25.But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But while men slept:

Why would we care that men slept? They were the watchman. What happened when the watchmen fall asleep on the watch? The enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

If you have ever been in the military you know how important watchmen are. If you fall asleep on watch during war time people die and you can be shot for treason.

Verse 26.But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

The wheat the seed of God will always bring forth good fruit. There also appeared the tares the bad seed.

Verse 27. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

The servants did not even realize what had happened; the damage done by the men sleeping on watch.

Verse 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

He the owner of the field said an enemy has done this. The servants what to know if they should pull out the tares, the bad seed.

Verse 29.But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30.Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Let both the good and the bad grow together till harvest time. The end of the season. Then we will gather first the tares and burn them in bundles to burn them: but the wheat the good fruit will be gathered into the barn.

We are going to jump down to where Jesus explains this parable. Remember the verses in Revelation that explained the candlesticks, the seven stars. The same thing is going to happen here and when Jesus explains something we have to take that as the truth.

 

[Thewatchman]

The parables were for outsiders .. He 'splained the truths contained in the parables to the disciples

So parts of the bible are for outsiders only? So what parts do I use and what parts di I not use?

 

[Thewatchman]

The Parable of the Weeds Explained

36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Jesus sends the people away and it is just Him and the disciple that were with him. They ask Jesus to explain the parable for them. Jesus is not only explaining it to them He is explaining it to us and we should lesion.

37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

The man that sewed the good seed is THE SON OF MAN.

38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

What is the first thing we learned. The field is the world, Jesus is the one that explained this and there is no changing that. The second is the good seed are the children of the kingdom. That would be the Kingdom of God The children of the seed of Jesus Christ. The third thing we learn is the tares are the children of the wicked one. Who is the wicked one? Satan. Next verse will confirm that.

39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

The enemy is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angles. Jesus could not make that any clearer

40As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world

As therefore the tares are gathered: When were the tares gathered? Before the wheat. And they will be burned in the fire: They will be turned to ashes.

41The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

The Son of Man: Jesus will send forth His angles: To do what? Gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and do iniquity. Where are these things that offend and do iniquity? The field the world. You must know that all this takes place here on earth, right here on our planet earth.

42And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Fiery Strong's Greek 4442:Fire; the heat of the sun, lightning; fig: strife, trials; the eternal fire. A primary word; 'fire'.



Weeping:Strong's Greek 2805:Weeping, lamentation, crying. From klaio; lamentation.


Gnashing:Strong's Greek 1030:A grinding or gnashing. From brucho; a grating.



Teeth:Strong's Greek 3599:A tooth. Perhaps from the base of esthio; a 'tooth'.



43Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Then the righteous (wheat) that is left in the field i.e. the world Will shine forth in the kingdom.

Who has an ear to ear let him hear. Do you have ears to hear?




Revelation 20:

1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Thewatchman]

This parable is about receiving the baptism with the Holy Spirit…the infilling and indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the Believer.

it’s the outer and inner appearance of the Holy Spirit.

outer is the patch on the garment and the wine skins is the inner.

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
You must be born again; Why? The flesh body can not house the Holy Spirit; God's Spirit. Like an old wine skin it will burst when filled with new wine. Spiritual body and mind for spiritual things flesh body and mind for fleshly or earthly things.

 

[awelight]

Question

This is not a trick question I really want to know the answer.

Do you believe that Jesus was trying to teach us something from the parables or where they just stories. Just a yes or no or a longer answer is OK too

A definite - YES.

They were just stories, to the Jews who did not possess any spiritual discernment. However, to one who could discern spiritual things, many great lessons were/are to be had.

 

[awelight]

I wonder what Jesus was teaching in the following parable?

Mark 2:21-22
“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; otherwise, the patch pulls away from it, the new from the old, and a worse tear results. And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost and the skins as well; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins.”

Hmmm?

Mark 2:21-22 - explained:

“No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment; otherwise, the patch pulls away from it, the new from the old, and a worse tear results.

The "old garment", makes reference to the Jews tendency to follow rites and traditions, instead of God's Word. This magnifies their old nature. The "new" or "unshrunk cloth", is Christ's clarifications of the Truth. If you try to put that, on top of your old nature and your rites and traditions, you will make things worse.

And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost and the skins as well; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins.”

This part of the parable, makes it much clearer, that one must have a new nature, in order to retain the Gospel. The truth of God poured into an old fallen nature, will result in failure. However, the Truth of God poured into a new (Regenerated) nature, will retain it.

 

[CS1]

Question

This is not a trick question I really want to know the answer.

Do you believe that Jesus was trying to teach us something from the parables or where they just stories. Just a yes or no or a longer answer is OK too

Yes, Jesus was trying to teach us while using parables. This is very evident if you look at what he said before and after a parable.

Jesus told Parables to bring the truth out using a spiritual story.

 

[Evmur]

So parts of the bible are for outsiders only? So what parts do I use and what parts di I not use?

The whole bible is a parable to outsiders

 

[soberxp]

Question

This is not a trick question I really want to know the answer.

Do you believe that Jesus was trying to teach us something from the parables

Big Yes.

Question

This is not a trick question I really want to know the answer.

where they just stories. Just a yes or no or a longer answer is OK too

How dare you, just thinking it as stories.

Yes, a true stories.

 

[Thewatchman]

I do not thank it is just a story. I want people to remember that it is Jesus teahing so as this we move on people have a reference point. The parable of the weeds is just a starting point for something deeper.

 

[Thewatchman]

The whole bible is a parable to outsiders

The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

So the discipls are out siders according to you. Jesus needed to tell them the meaning. They did not understand it. So I guss according to you anyone that is a disciple is not a christian but an outsider. I am glad I do not have your teacher because according to what you just said discipls whould be takn first.

 

[Thewatchman]

Mark 13 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, 4Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled? 5And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you: 6For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.



Matthew 24 3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

What is happening in these verses? Jesus and his disciples are alone setting on the Mt of Olives and they ask Jesus a question; it is the question we all what to know. When is the end and what will be the sings. Who is going to be speaking here; who is He going to be speaking to, and what is the subject? Who is speaking? Jesus. Who is he talking to the disciples (and us). What is the subject? The end of this age and the second coming. What are the first words out of the mouth of Jesus in both chapters?Many (not 1or 2 but many) will come in my name: What are they going to be saying? I come in the name of Jesus, I am a Christian pastor, preacher, minister, Bishop, teacher . . . AND DECEAVE MANY. How many is that? As many that do not understand what Jesus is going to teach. We are dot going throw the whole chater I am just setting things up as we get ready. It is important to know who is talking; who they are talking to; and what the subject is and does it pertain to me.

Matthew 24:40&41: Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Then two shall be working in the field. What did we learn from the parable of the wheat and the tares? When Jesus is speaking of the end times the world is the field.

Matthew 13:38The field is the world;

Then two shall be working in the world; they both thank that they are working for Jesus. One shall be taken and one shall be left.

What did we learn fro Jesus in the parable of the weeds? 1. the field is the world. 2. the first one gathered out of the world are the children of Satan. Then what is left the wheat the children of God and where do they go? No where they are gathered into the barn and stay right here on earth. Why? Jesus is coming here to set up His millennial kingdom; at the end of the 1000 years God will bring his throne here to earth set on the white throne of judgment, open the book of life and we shall ALL that means the good, the bad and the ugly. The good will be judged righteous and given there rewards some 100 fold, some 60 fold and some 30 fold. They all get to stay right here in the new field the new earth one where there is nothing to offend no evil but only righteousness.

Let me as a question you are working do you want to be the first one taken by the reapers the bad seed the tares gathered FIRST and sent away with Satan; or do you want to be taken second and pleased in the barn and then get to spend eternity with the Father?

You get to make the choice. How many times have you heard a pastor, etc stand up and say “I WANT TO BE THAT FIRST ONE TAKEN” I would not want to be in his flock looking to taken by the reapers first.

Think bout it! There is no rapture Jesus and God are coming here to earth to setup the Heaven Age right here on a rejuvenated earth ,world, field.

 

[Evmur]

The Parable of the Weeds Explained
36Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

So the discipls are out siders according to you. Jesus needed to tell them the meaning. They did not understand it. So I guss according to you anyone that is a disciple is not a christian but an outsider. I am glad I do not have your teacher because according to what you just said discipls whould be takn first.

No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.

 

[Thewatchman]

No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.

Evmur

No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.



You are proving what God said in both the old and new testament:

2 Timothy 2:25
He must gently reprove those who oppose him, in the hope that God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.




2nd Timothy:3:5

King James Bible
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Verse 6

King James Bible
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Verse 7

King James Bible
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Hosea 4 :King James Bible

1Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. 2By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.

3Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.4Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people are as they that strive with the priest.5Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother.6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.7As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.

You should read the rest of the chapter

Jeremiah 4

God Calls Israel by His Promise

1If thou wilt return, O Israel, saith the LORD, return unto me: and if thou wilt put away thine abominations out of my sight, then shalt thou not remove.2And thou shalt swear, The LORD liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in him, and in him shall they glory.3For thus saith the LORD to the men of Judah and Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.4Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.




No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.

Lamentation for Judah

19My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

20Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

21How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?

22For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

We could keep going on and on about people that thank they are serving God but are not.

 

[Thewatchman]

No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.

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No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.
Dates for NT Books in Chronological Order

The New Testament books below are listed in chronological order using dates on the latter end of the spectrum.


Book

Date

Comments

Galatians

AD 48

Possibly AD 49, depending on when the Jerusalem council happened (Acts 15)

James

AD 48

Mark

AD 40s–60s

N/A

Hebrews

AD 40s–60s

The Jerusalem temple appears to still be standing due to present tense verbs in Hebrews 7–9

1 Thessalonians

AD 51

During Paul’s second missionary journey while at Corinth

2 Thessalonians

AD 51

During Paul’s second missionary journey while at Corinth; six months after 1 Thessalonians was written; Silas and Timothy probably rejoined Paul at Corinth and related further questions that they had about the sequence of eschatological events

1 Corinthians

AD 55

Correlated to Paul’s missionary trips

Romans

AD 55–59

N. T. Wright, Romans in The New Interpreter’s Bible Commentary, vol. 9 (Nashville: Abingdon Press, 2015), 396.

Luke

AD 55–62

Acts was written just after AD 62; 2 Timothy and Clement both reference Paul being set free and on trial again after the two-year stint in Acts 28

2 Corinthians

AD 56

Correlated to Paul’s missionary trips

Philippians

AD 57–59

Written from Caesarea

Jude

AD 50s–60s

Eusebius cites Hegesippus, who refers to the grandsons of Jude, who lived during the reign of Emperor Domitian (AD 81–96) in Eusebius Hist. Eccl. 3.19.1—3.20.7. So Jude himself may have already died by this time

Ephesians

AD 60–61

During Paul’s first Roman imprisonment (Act 28:16–31)

Colossians

AD 60–61

During Paul’s first Roman imprisonment of Act 28:16–31

Philemon

AD 60–61

During Paul’s first Roman imprisonment (Act 28:16–31)

Matthew

AD 60s

Eusebius comments that Matthew wrote his Gospel while Peter and Paul were in Rome

Acts of the Apostles

AD 60s–70s

Acts was written just after AD 62; 2 Timothy and Clement both reference Paul being set free and on trial again after the two-year stint in Acts 28

1 Peter

AD 63 or earlier

Before Peter was martyred in AD 64–66 (2 Peter 1:14)

2 Peter

AD 63 or earlier

Before Peter was martyred in AD 64–66 (2 Peter 1:14)

Titus

AD 63–67

After 1 Timothy was written

1 Timothy

AD 63–67

In AD 62 after Paul’s release from two-year imprisonment (Acts 28:16–31)

2 Timothy

AD 63–67

After Titus was written, while Paul awaited his trial in Rome (2 Timothy 4:6, 9–18)

Revelation

AD 68–95

Depending on whether after Nero’s death or toward the end of Domitian’s reign

1 John

AD 70s–90s

N/A

2 John

AD 70s–90s

N/A

3 John

AD 70s–90s

N/A

John

AD 90s

 

[Thewatchman]

No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.

No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.

When the books were written the authors all had the Holy Spirit. When all this was taught they had Jesus with them so they also had the Holy spirit with them not in them but with them.

In Galilee, Jesus trained his apostles and others then sent them out with the instruction:

Mark 6:7-13

7And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits; 8And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse: 9But be shod with sandals; and not put on two coats. 10And he said unto them, In what place soever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place. 11And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 12And they went out, and preached that men should repent. 13And they cast out many devils, and anointed with oil many that were sick, and healed them.

You will also find this in Mark 6 and Luke 9. Jesus gave them some interesting instructions. 8And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse: 9But be shod with sandals; and not put on two coats. They were to take there staff: That was to help them walk but also to defend themselves from wild animals and robbers and thieves; and sandals for their feet. No script (a bag carried by travelers and shepherds) no bread, and no money in their purse. Why no money in their purse?

1st Timothy 5:17&18 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine. 18For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.

Anyone that preaches the truth should never be bagging for money. What did Jesus tell them to do? Go into a town find a house that is worthy of you stay there preach tech till time to move on. On the other hand if you go into a town and find no one worthy knock the dust off you feet move on and this will be a witness against them and it will be worse for them than those in Soda and Gomorrah.

No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.

If this is what you really thank and what you are being taught you better check the tree you are getting your fruit from; I am afraid you are eating from the right tree.

 

[Evmur]

Evmur

No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.



You are proving what God said in both the old and new testament:

2 Timothy 2:25
He must gently reprove those who oppose him, in the hope that God may grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.




2nd Timothy:3:5

King James Bible
Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

Verse 6

King James Bible
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

Verse 7

King James Bible
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Hosea 4 :King James Bible

1Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. 2By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.

3Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.4Yet let no man strive, nor reprove another: for thy people are as they that strive with the priest.5Therefore shalt thou fall in the day, and the prophet also shall fall with thee in the night, and I will destroy thy mother.6My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.7As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.

You should read the rest of the chapter

Jeremiah 4

God Calls Israel by His Promise

1If thou wilt return, O Israel, saith the LORD, return unto me: and if thou wilt put away thine abominations out of my sight, then shalt thou not remove.2And thou shalt swear, The LORD liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in him, and in him shall they glory.3For thus saith the LORD to the men of Judah and Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.4Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.




No one understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit ... the Holy Spirit was not yet given.

Lamentation for Judah

19My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

20Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

21How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?

22For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

We could keep going on and on about people that thank they are serving God but are not.

Your bowels, your bowels!

Nobody understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit. ...

 

[Thewatchman]

Your bowels, your bowels!

Nobody understands the scripture without the Holy Spirit. ...

What you are trying to say is that people like Paul before He was struck down by Jesus had no understanding of the scriptures becase He did not have the Holy Spirit, NOT SO

 

[Cameron143]

What you are trying to say is that people like Paul before He was struck down by Jesus had no understanding of the scriptures becase He did not have the Holy Spirit, NOT SO

Perhaps what he means is that the scripture cannot make one wise unto salvation apart from the Holy Spirit