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[JohnnyRC90]

You have only posted 8 times on this forum (fact) and six of those posts are on this thread (fact), one post is introducing yourself, and one post is a response to that introduction.

If you have been on this forum for a year why is it that this thread is the first one you wanted to comment on? You say you have been on the forum for a year and yet you introduce yourself for the first time yesterday?

Yet in every post you claim you are speaking from God's word. Really? We haven't seen one thing from God's word from you, not even your introducing testimony.

Came across an email from this site and came in to check it out, having forgotten that I signed up for it. Made a short comment and you pulled me into an argument with your attacks on me. What is so mysterious about this? LOL, the conspiracy theory mentality is strong in you.

As for speaking from God's Word, forgive me for assuming you knew, but since you don't understand I will refer you to Romans 13, which says this:

Romans 13
King James Version

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

That's God's own Word.

 

[ZNP]

Came across an email from this site and came in to check it out, having forgotten that I signed up for it. Made a short comment and you pulled me into an argument with your attacks on me. What is so mysterious about this? LOL, the conspiracy theory mentality is strong in you.

What attack?

As for speaking from God's Word, forgive me for assuming you knew, but since you don't understand

Very judgmental. With what judgement you judge you shall be judged.

I will refer you to Romans 13, which says this:

Romans 13
King James Version

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

The highest power in this country is the constitution and the rule of law. This includes legal principles like "innocent until proven guilty" and "fruit of the poisoned tree".

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

I have not resisted any legal investigation. I have been very supportive of the Mueller investigation, though that was before I was on this forum, however, when they discovered that the guilty party was Clinton and the FBI then they stopped talking about it. That is to resist the ordinance, that will bring damnation.

I was supportive of the impeachment, but when we discovered that the FBI had the evidence that exonerated Trump and hid it, that was resisting the ordinance and will bring damnation to them.

We learned that Schiff lied about Trump's phone call, that is resisting the ordinance and will bring damnation to him.

The second impeachment was about removing Trump from office after he had already been removed. In reality it was bogus but the goal was to prevent Trump from being able to run for office again. That is resisting the ordinance and will bring damnation to them.

10 Republican's voted to impeach, 8 have already been removed, the other 2 have yet to be removed but they are clearly being targeted for removal.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

That's God's own Word.

Yes, and I have not done evil, I am not afraid of those in power, that is those who are standing firmly within the constitutional authority that God ordained. As I have said repeatedly I am all for all those who have violated the laws being charged, prosecuted and convicted.

 

[oyster67]

American politics is definitely not my sphere of influence. I have a higher calling and I am a citizen of a higher country!

All these men's names shall be forgotten, and we shall reign with Christ forever!

Revelation 5
9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

I'm pretty excited about that.

 

[oyster67]

The highest power in this country is the constitution and the rule of law.

The highest power and law is God's Power and Law..... everywhere. Don't mean to sound obnoxious, just sayin'.

 

[oyster67]

Acts 5:29

“Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.”

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[JohnnyRC90]

What attack?

The attack in the form of your obsession with arguing with me

Very judgmental. With what judgement you judge you shall be judged.

Absolutely. The problem you seem to have is that you misunderstand (righteous) judgement.

The highest power in this country is the constitution and the rule of law. This includes legal principles like "innocent until proven guilty" and "fruit of the poisoned tree".

I am well aware from you that you believe this and here you state it very clearly. This is why I continue to tell you that God (and therefore God's Word) is the highest authority to me, as a Christian. I don't think you and I are going to ever agree on this.

I have not resisted any legal investigation. I have been very supportive of the Mueller investigation, though that was before I was on this forum, however, when they discovered that the guilty party was Clinton and the FBI then they stopped talking about it. That is to resist the ordinance, that will bring damnation.

I was supportive of the impeachment, but when we discovered that the FBI had the evidence that exonerated Trump and hid it, that was resisting the ordinance and will bring damnation to them.

We learned that Schiff lied about Trump's phone call, that is resisting the ordinance and will bring damnation to him.

The second impeachment was about removing Trump from office after he had already been removed. In reality it was bogus but the goal was to prevent Trump from being able to run for office again. That is resisting the ordinance and will bring damnation to them.

10 Republican's voted to impeach, 8 have already been removed, the other 2 have yet to be removed but they are clearly being targeted for removal.


Yes, and I have not done evil, I am not afraid of those in power, that is those who are standing firmly within the constitutional authority that God ordained. As I have said repeatedly I am all for all those who have violated the laws being charged, prosecuted and convicted.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" - 'Hamlet', William Shakespeare

 

[ZNP]

Acts 5:29

“Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.”

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Yes a common misconception is that Romans 12 tells us we have to obey men. That is not what the Lord or the Bible says. No one is required to obey Hitler, or Stalin, or Mao, or any other person who steps outside the rule of law.

 

[ZNP]

The attack in the form of your obsession with arguing with me

I wanted to understand what you said. Now that you have clarified your hope for justice to mean you are hoping that no one will deny Trump his constitutional rights, and that he is innocent until proven guilty we are not in any disagreement, so then how can this be "arguing" this is "agreeing".

Absolutely. The problem you seem to have is that you misunderstand (righteous) judgement.


I am well aware from you that you believe this and here you state it very clearly. This is why I continue to tell you that God's Word is the highest authority to me, as a Christian. I don't think you and I are going to ever agree on this.


"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" - 'Hamlet', William Shakespeare

Your posts are very confusing. You claim that you are holding up God's word as the highest authority and then use a quote from Shakespeare as your "mike drop"?

Anyway, if I "misunderstand righteous judgement" then why not help explain it to me and the many others who may be reading this but are silent.

You have already said you agree with constitutional rights and with not being presumed guilty before you have had a chance to defend yourself in court. We agree on those two points.

You have used Trump's alleged lies as evidence he can't be trusted, and I agree that the FBI's documented lies in court are evidence that they can't be trusted.

So where is the misunderstanding?

 

[JohnnyRC90]

I wanted to understand what you said. Now that you have clarified your hope for justice to mean you are hoping that no one will deny Trump his constitutional rights, and that he is innocent until proven guilty we are not in any disagreement, so then how can this be "arguing" this is "agreeing".

Now you're adding to what I said and fabricating things again. You seem to have difficulty accepting things for what they are and seem to feel compelled to make up things to fill in what you see as gaps.

Your posts are very confusing. You claim that you are holding up God's word as the highest authority and then use a quote from Shakespeare as your "mike drop"?

First, it's "mic" not "mike". Second, thanks for admitting that you are not capable of understanding the difference between holding God's Word as the highest authority and making a reference from popular literature that usefully describes a situation. They are two different things, especially where the quote does not contradict God's Word (as in this case).

Anyway, if I "misunderstand righteous judgement" then why not help explain it to me and the many others who may be reading this but are silent.

I already have; it's up to you to be open to understanding it. It's in God's Word, search there. When the constitution is your highest authority you won't find God's righteousness in such a man-made piece of paper that is massively flawed and altered.

You have already said you agree with constitutional rights and with not being presumed guilty before you have had a chance to defend yourself in court. We agree on those two points.

No, I didn't say all that.

You have used Trump's alleged lies as evidence he can't be trusted,

His AND his followers' lies - yes. Especially because there are so many and they are so wild.

and I agree that the FBI's documented lies in court are evidence that they can't be trusted.

I know of no such lies - do you have any proof? Or just more conspiracy theory?

So where is the misunderstanding?

Apparently on your part for thinking that I somehow believe the Constitution is some kind of "highest authority" over God, when I believe no such thing.

 

[oyster67]

Politics is a hairy beast indeed.

 

[ZNP]

I know of no such lies - do you have any proof? Or just more conspiracy theory?.

Seriously! You don't know that the FBI lied on the FISA warrants or were responsible for the Russia hoax or that this has been proven to be a lie?

FBI Attorney Admits Altering Email Used for FISA Application During "Crossfire Hurricane" Investigation

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/...d-fisa-application-during-crossfire-hurricane

Former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, 38, pleaded guilty today in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to a false statement offense stemming from his altering of an email in connection with the submission of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (“FISA”) application, announced John H. Durham, Special Attorney to the Attorney General.

Two of 4 warrants letting FBI spy on ex-Trump aide Carter Page were not valid, says DOJ

The DOJ now believes it didn't have probable cause to think Carter Page might be acting as an agent of a foreign power, which was required to surveil him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...letting-fbi-spy-ex-trump-aide-carter-n1121406

Newly Declassified Document Indicates FBI Misled Congress on Reliability of Steele Dossier

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/pr...led-congress-on-reliability-of-steele-dossier

WASHINGTON – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) today released a newly declassified FBI document that indicates the Bureau misled the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2018 about the Steele dossier’s Primary Sub-source and, therefore, the reliability of the Steele dossier.

“This document clearly shows that the FBI was continuing to mislead regarding the reliability of the Steele dossier. The FBI did to the Senate Intelligence Committee what the Department of Justice and FBI had previously done to the FISA Court: mischaracterize, mislead and lie. The characterizations regarding the dossier were completely out of touch with reality in terms of what the Russian sub-source actually said to the FBI.

“What does this mean? That Congress as well as the FISA Court was lied to about the reliability of the Russian sub-source. I will be asking FBI Director Wray to provide me all the details possible about how the briefing was arranged and who provided it.

“Inspector General Horowitz’s team found this briefing document. Inspector General Horowitz and his team deserve great credit for uncovering systematic fraud at Department of Justice surrounding the Carter Page FISA warrant. I’m also very appreciative of the Department of Justice’s release of the FBI document used to brief the Senate Intelligence Committee.”


GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley alleges widespread effort in FBI, Justice Dept to downplay negative information about Hunter Biden

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chuck-...department-downplay-hunter-biden-information/

"Highly credible" whistleblowers have come forward to a senior Senate Republican alleging a widespread effort within the FBI to downplay or discredit negative information about President Biden's son, Hunter Biden, according to letters reviewed by CBS News.

"The information provided to my office involves concerns about the FBI's receipt and use of derogatory information relating to Hunter Biden, and the FBI's false portrayal of acquired evidence as disinformation," GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley wrote FBI Director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Merrick Garland on July 25. "The volume and consistency of these allegations substantiate their credibility and necessitate this letter."

Grassley, the ranking member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the whistleblowers alleged that legitimate streams of information and intelligence about the president's son were characterized as likely disinformation or prematurely shut down leading up to the 2020 presidential election.

 

[iamsoandso]

Hunter's laptop is evidence that should be addressed, investigated and dealt with. Instead it was denied, lied about, buried, and hidden. There is a difference between praying for righteousness and justice to be done, for the there to be light and salt, and "hoping that God metes out His justice to Hunter". I can pray for Hunter's salvation, repentance, confession, and also pray that God would shine a light on the laptop. The same is true of Hillary's emails. I am not against a search warrant that is based on probable cause and executed according to the laws of this land on Trump. I don't think he is above the law. I was not against Mueller's investigation, but I am against stopping the investigation when it discovered that in fact the real criminals were in the FBI working to help Hillary get elected.

Keep your brownies, I don't trust anything you would cook up.

lol, It looks as though if you just made a list of senators,governors, presidents,lawyers, mayors ect. that have been in scandals in the news the last few years from New York most all of them have problems with telling the truth,understanding rules or keeping their hands to them selves. You seemed to be one of the ones that wised up and decided to move from New York so I thought you deserved brownie points for that but if you would rather pass well okay...

 

[ZNP]

Of course you were. Why would you understand differently? I said "meting out His Justice". The only way you would think that means something other than "innocent until proven guilty" is if you yourself believe that "His Justice" is something other than "innocent until proven guilty". Is that what you believe? If so, that's your own interpretation, and that is not my own words, as you have shown clearly in your quote of me. Why is this so hard for you to follow and to own your mistake?

So you tell me that "meting out God's justice" should have been interpreted by me as meaning "innocent until proven guilty" and yet when I say you say that in post #209

You say: Now you're adding to what I said and fabricating things again. You seem to have difficulty accepting things for what they are and seem to feel compelled to make up things to fill in what you see as gaps.

You just got put on ignore, got to be a record, in the entire time I have been on this forum I have not put anyone on ignore before, and you have only been on this forum for little more than a day. Wow!

 

[JohnnyRC90]

So you tell me that "meting out God's justice" should have been interpreted by me as meaning "innocent until proven guilty" and yet when I say you say that in post #209

See, here you are making things up again. I did not tell you "that "meting out God's justice" should have been interpreted by [you] as meaning "innocent until proven guilty"". You are stating that but you can't show where I said any such thing. You fabricate things so readily and easily that you don't even know you are doing it; it's clearly something you have become very used to and is second-nature to you. And that's a shame because you're then incapable of rational discussion since you argue from mythical points.

You say: Now you're adding to what I said and fabricating things again. You seem to have difficulty accepting things for what they are and seem to feel compelled to make up things to fill in what you see as gaps."

Correct, you did it before and you did it again in this post. And you are also now hiding from answering for it.

You just got put on ignore, got to be a record, in the entire time I have been on this forum I have not put anyone on ignore before, and you have only been on this forum for little more than a day. Wow!

I don't blame you for hiding behind "ignore" at this point, it's probably the best move you could make aside from owning your mistakes and coming clean in honesty.

I won't put you (or anyone) on ignore as I don't care to be ignorant. But you do what's best for you.

 

[JohnnyRC90]

Seriously! You don't know that the FBI lied on the FISA warrants or were responsible for the Russia hoax or that this has been proven to be a lie?

FBI Attorney Admits Altering Email Used for FISA Application During "Crossfire Hurricane" Investigation

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/...d-fisa-application-during-crossfire-hurricane

Former FBI attorney Kevin Clinesmith, 38, pleaded guilty today in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to a false statement offense stemming from his altering of an email in connection with the submission of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (“FISA”) application, announced John H. Durham, Special Attorney to the Attorney General.

Two of 4 warrants letting FBI spy on ex-Trump aide Carter Page were not valid, says DOJ

The DOJ now believes it didn't have probable cause to think Carter Page might be acting as an agent of a foreign power, which was required to surveil him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...letting-fbi-spy-ex-trump-aide-carter-n1121406

Newly Declassified Document Indicates FBI Misled Congress on Reliability of Steele Dossier

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/pr...led-congress-on-reliability-of-steele-dossier

WASHINGTON – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) today released a newly declassified FBI document that indicates the Bureau misled the Senate Intelligence Committee in 2018 about the Steele dossier’s Primary Sub-source and, therefore, the reliability of the Steele dossier.

“This document clearly shows that the FBI was continuing to mislead regarding the reliability of the Steele dossier. The FBI did to the Senate Intelligence Committee what the Department of Justice and FBI had previously done to the FISA Court: mischaracterize, mislead and lie. The characterizations regarding the dossier were completely out of touch with reality in terms of what the Russian sub-source actually said to the FBI.

“What does this mean? That Congress as well as the FISA Court was lied to about the reliability of the Russian sub-source. I will be asking FBI Director Wray to provide me all the details possible about how the briefing was arranged and who provided it.

“Inspector General Horowitz’s team found this briefing document. Inspector General Horowitz and his team deserve great credit for uncovering systematic fraud at Department of Justice surrounding the Carter Page FISA warrant. I’m also very appreciative of the Department of Justice’s release of the FBI document used to brief the Senate Intelligence Committee.”


GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley alleges widespread effort in FBI, Justice Dept to downplay negative information about Hunter Biden

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chuck-...department-downplay-hunter-biden-information/

"Highly credible" whistleblowers have come forward to a senior Senate Republican alleging a widespread effort within the FBI to downplay or discredit negative information about President Biden's son, Hunter Biden, according to letters reviewed by CBS News.

"The information provided to my office involves concerns about the FBI's receipt and use of derogatory information relating to Hunter Biden, and the FBI's false portrayal of acquired evidence as disinformation," GOP Sen. Chuck Grassley wrote FBI Director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Merrick Garland on July 25. "The volume and consistency of these allegations substantiate their credibility and necessitate this letter."

Grassley, the ranking member on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the whistleblowers alleged that legitimate streams of information and intelligence about the president's son were characterized as likely disinformation or prematurely shut down leading up to the 2020 presidential election.

Interesting tactic. Well, not interesting at all, actually - old and hacked. Throw a lot of words and links and "references" while never actually providing real proof for what you pretend to be proving. A lot of speculation, a lot of documented speculation from those with motives to lie, and not a shred of actual evidence. But thanks for showing us all what constitutes "proof" to you (when it is apparently convenient for you). Good luck with that!

 

[oyster67]

You just got put on ignore, got to be a record, in the entire time I have been on this forum I have not put anyone on ignore before, and you have only been on this forum for little more than a day. Wow!

Well that was a fruitful and profitable little discussion.

Perhaps we should start more threads on worldly and carnal issues that have absolutely nothing to do with the Kingdom in which our citizenship and allegiance resides.

 

[ZNP]

Well that was a fruitful and profitable little discussion.

Perhaps we should start more threads on worldly and carnal issues that have absolutely nothing to do with the Kingdom in which our citizenship and allegiance resides.

If you aren't interested in the thread go to one you are interested in.

I never understand why people will be on a thread they think is worldly, carnal and has nothing to do with our citizenship in the heavens.

 

[oyster67]

If you aren't interested in the thread go to one you are interested in.

I never understand why people will be on a thread they think is worldly, carnal and has nothing to do with our citizenship in the heavens.

I am greatly relieved to see that you haven't put m'wa on the banned wagon yet.

 

[oyster67]

I never understand why people will be on a thread they think is worldly, carnal and has nothing to do with our citizenship in the heavens.

You do make a good point. I was following Johnny and didn't notice the forum was not BDF. I will leave now.

Godspeed.

 

[Beckie]

These facts are not jumbled. If Trump has lied concerning January 6th that is relevant to them investigating him.

On the other hand the FBI has already been proven to have lied over FISA warrants, and about Russiagate hoax, and to have hid evidence concerning Hunter Biden's laptop which would have exonerated Trump in the first impeachment. That also is relevant to people not trusting them now.

That is true. But the US is also filled with Liars, and the CIA is filled with liars, and Ukraine is filled with Nazi's and liars.

If you haven't been keeping up with the facts in the case why are you commenting, do your homework.

1. The warrant has been made public, read it.

2. The FBI has admitted they took the passports and they have returned them.

Educate yourself and stop spouting foolish, self righteous judgements.



This is a legal theory that is well established and has been ordained by God as righteous judgement. It aligns well with the Bible teaching on false witnesses

I already posted this on post #132, you stumble into this thread without reading the posts, without reading the news that is reported, and you are leaping to judgements without knowing the facts, the evidence or even the law.

Some folks have a double standard .