Scripture is Our Source of Truth???????????

[The_Watchers_2017]

I never said you did, I'm trying to get you to look at what you are offering

i am saying nothing the Bible doesn't already say. i just can do it without creeds.

Sure but it's not about you, Without Jesus you can't do anything

i never ever ever ever said i could do anything for God without God. why do you keep interjecting like i did?

How do you make disciples, what's your method?

i am planting seed. i am saying God love You! God is Real! you are valuable to God!
but the majority of them deny me.
but in my thinking, by me telling them about God and them denying God now, knowing the Tribulation is soon, these people will choose to be beheaded unless they surrender to God before then.
but it's just a planting seed effort for now.

I haven't seen it I only got engaged because you were accusing a lot of brethren

why do you think i brought up Creeds?
i know there are [[((many))]] 5 pointers here who think God created humans for Hell and some for Heaven!
i know they are following Calvin over Matthew 28:
19 Go, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

20 teaching them to observe all things whatever I commanded you.


i have been in several discussions where i've learned this. so it is not i am accusing anyone, they have [[((already accused))]] themselves. i am just pointing that difference out.

 

[Dirtman]

The ecumenical creeds were written as a way combating certain heresies that arose. They are simple faith statements that are derived from the scriptures. While they arent scripture themselves they are a synopsis way of summarizing scripture on a subject. I find them to be useful guides in dealing with subjects and situations that arise from time to time, where an in depth Bible study isnt expedient but a biblical explanation is necessary.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The ecumenical creeds were written as a way combating certain heresies that arose. They are simple faith statements that are derived from the scriptures. While they arent scripture themselves they are a synopsis way of summarizing scripture on a subject. I find them to be useful guides in dealing with subjects and situations that arise from time to time, where an in depth Bible study isnt expedient but a biblical explanation is necessary.

you and the others who have mentioned this are correct. they did create the creeds for the reason you have mentioned. and some people need this reminder. i just find it interesting i believe and was taught how i read these creeds without conforming to the idea we are following such a creed. i believe exactly like anyone who does adhere to these creeds. but my Pastor thought a creed was more of a [CRUTCH] like rosary beads than anything else. i find it refreshing to say i don't follow a creed, i follow what i have read in the Bible. for me, it's a big difference.

 

[Dirtman]

A creed is any repeatable faith statement.
"Marriage is one man and one woman" this is a creed
"Deeds not creeds" is a creed

"Scripture alone" is a creed

You church mission or faith statement is a creed.

The rejecting of the ecumenical or classic creeds, is really ..... Well just read them and then tell me why you reject them.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

A creed is any repeatable faith statement.
"Marriage is one man and one woman" this is a creed
"Deeds not creeds" is a creed

"Scripture alone" is a creed

You church mission or faith statement is a creed.

The rejecting of the ecumenical or classic creeds, is really ..... Well just read them and then tell me why you reject them.

i reject the word creed. i reject that man has uniformed this idea if you believe something it has to be called a creed. no it does not! i believe in the Word of God because of what God and His Word have personally done in my life. that is not a creed. that is a Testimony and a Witness!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

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another man made term that cannot be found in the Bible! but we are treating it like it is the Holy Word itself!

Amazing!

 

[Jocund]

i reject the word creed. i reject that man has uniformed this idea if you believe something it has to be called a creed. no it does not! i believe in the Word of God because of what God and His Word have personally done in my life. that is not a creed. that is a Testimony and a Witness!

I believe it is fair to rephrase your perspective to say that you reject the authority of Doctrines and Traditions established in church history. I don't think you mean to say that you categorically reject all creeds. (Maybe in the sense of rejecting any authority a creed might have and instead affirming or challenging a creed's descriptive accuracy).

And if you are protesting against the doctrines and traditions established by the church, that makes you a Protestant or at least Protestant-like.

I think this is what you are trying to say.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I believe it is fair to rephrase your perspective to say that you reject the authority of Doctrines and Traditions established in church history. I don't think you mean to say that you categorically reject all creeds. (Maybe in the sense of rejecting any authority a creed might have and instead affirming or challenging a creed's descriptive accuracy).

And if you are protesting against the doctrines and traditions established by the church, that makes you a Protestant or at least Protestant-like.

I think this is what you are trying to say.

Exactly!

what is WRITTEN within the Nicene Creed i believe with my entire being!

i just reject the doctrines and traditions!

Great point you have made!

 

[Dirtman]

You dont have to like the word "creed" but it is a word with a definition. That definition being "a formal faith statement". So your formal faith statement , that you have repeated many times is indeed a creed. We dont get to redefine words and language to suit us. It is what it is.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

You dont have to like the word "creed" but it is a word with a definition. That definition being "a formal faith statement". So your formal faith statement , that you have repeated many times is indeed a creed. We dont get to redefine words and language to suit us. It is what it is.

by man's definition. it's not in the Bible so it's not God's definition. who is man that i need to obey?

 

[Wansvic]

Gods interpretation

When we stand in front of God. We will be judged based on how WE interpret the word. Not on how someone else interpretaed the word.

Thats why we are to study to shew ourselves approved..

Consider the following: "And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, 21 for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

As such, we can know that man's interpretation in no way modifies God's established truth. Jesus said plainly that the word will be the final judge for all. Since mankind will be judged by the word, then all must follow the same word. Jesus said, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." John 12:48


The bible states as well that all are to earnestly contend (seek out) the common salvation that was first delivered to the saints. (apostles) "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3


Lastly, consider what the word says about ignorance. It will not be an excuse where judgement is concerned:

"Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.” Acts 17:30-31

 

[Dirtman]

by man's definition. it's not in the Bible so it's not God's definition. who is man that i need to obey?

Get off the gas man. You use the word Bible all the time. Thats a mans word for the compilation of God's Holy Scripture.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

this is where the biggest and greatest problem lies at. nowhere in the Bible do we read anything is a Doctrine but the doctrines of man that JESUS condemned. man has decided that doctrines exist, not God. so while man is running around trying to gather every Verse for this position and that position, they have taken out the original meaning that applies to the entire Chapter its found in. any buffoon can cherry pick Verses. i prefer to read a Verse in context to the Verses before and after because it's placed where the true meaning is supposed to be discovered at.

I disagree that all doctrines are of men. I will agree that there are countless many doctrines that are of man, but Jesus taught a doctrine that was true and pure. (Matt 7:28). Doctrine = a thing that is taught. The scriptures teach that there will always be a witness to the doctrine that Jesus taught.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Get off the gas man. You use the word Bible all the time. Thats a mans word for the compilation of God's Holy Scripture.

generally i say, Word of God.
sadly, some don't understand that so i do use Bible.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I disagree that all doctrines are of men. I will agree that there are countless many doctrines that are of man, but Jesus taught a doctrine that was true and pure. (Matt 7:28). Doctrine = a thing that is taught. The scriptures teach that there will always be a witness to the doctrine that Jesus taught.

i reject the textus receptus created in 1516 AD.

i use what Jerome used in 380 AD.

there was no word called doctrine in the original Greek.

hence, your matthew 7:28 And it came to pass when Jesus had finished these words, the multitudes were astonished at his teaching;

 

[Dirtman]

i reject the textus receptus created in 1516 AD.

i use what Jerome used in 380 AD.

there was no word called doctrine in the original Greek.

hence, your matthew 7:28 And it came to pass when Jesus had finished these words, the multitudes were astonished at his teaching;

Didaskalia is found 2 times in the new testament and heterodiskaleo is also found twice.
The first is doctrine the other is other or different doctrine.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Didaskalia is found 2 times in the new testament and heterodiskaleo is also found twice.
The first is doctrine the other is other or different doctrine.

yes, in the 1516 Greek, which was the translation of Latin into English.

but seeing that the Apostles and New Testament writers did not use that word is why it's not found in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th. 6th. 7th. 8th, 9th Century Greek Texts.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

28ξβ
β
και εγενετο οτε ετε
λεϲεν ο ιϲ τουϲ λο
γουϲ τουτουϲ εξε
πληττοντο επι τη
διδαχη αυτου οι ο

28 And it came to pass when Jesus had finished these words, the multitudes were astonished at his teaching;

 

[Dirtman]

28ξβ
β
και εγενετο οτε ετε
λεϲεν ο ιϲ τουϲ λο
γουϲ τουτουϲ εξε
πληττοντο επι τη
διδαχη αυτου οι ο

28 And it came to pass when Jesus had finished these words, the multitudes were astonished at his teaching;

Right there it is "διδαχη". Didaska. Doctrine

 

[TheLearner]

i don't need to read someone's thoughts when all i have to do is watch the life of those claiming to be Follower's of Christ. if they aren't leading anyone to Christ they are not of God!

when's the last time you led someone to Christ?

We all have been having daily worship in the park just after sunrise. We all have been leading and praying with those we lead to Jesus. To answer your question everyday this Spring and Summer. You may have missed the discussions of this.
As of today the count of new believers is between seven and ten thousand.