Weaponized FBI and DOJ searching Mar-L -lago
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So instead of saying we should look into the Proud boys to see if there is a direct causal link to Trump (which of course the January 6th committee hearings is supposedly doing already) you just jump all the way to accusing Trump of Sedition?
Whether you like him or not, Trump is a former president and the Bible says you are not to speak evil of a ruler of the people. You can investigate him and if you have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt you can convict him. But till then this is slander and is clearly forbidden in the Bible.
Whether you like him or not, Trump is a former president and the Bible says you are not to speak evil of a ruler of the people. You can investigate him and if you have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt you can convict him. But till then this is slander and is clearly forbidden in the Bible.
"As people talk about Espionage Act and classified documents and all of that, the standard was set in 2016. Remember the Department of Justice and the FBI took the official position that Hillary Clinton, who was in possession of classified documents ... that in possession of that — that wasn't enough and that being grossly negligent ... that's not enough under the Espionage Act," Ratcliffe continued.
"The Department of Justice and FBI said six years ago, you gotta be able to prove intent. He's already denied that he had the intent to do it," he added.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ffe-classified-documents-impossible-prosecute
The More you know the more Merrick Garland and this Administration look like clowns
"The Department of Justice and FBI said six years ago, you gotta be able to prove intent. He's already denied that he had the intent to do it," he added.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ffe-classified-documents-impossible-prosecute
The More you know the more Merrick Garland and this Administration look like clowns
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How to handle high profile legal cases
The reason these guys at the top are put in charge is they know how to handle the high profile cases, the ones that attract all the media attention.
For example, look at the Mar A Lago raid, you know that raiding a former president's house, a man that is still a political rival will get the full scrutiny and attention of the media so you follow these rules.
1. Have the President immediately come out and offer a complete explanation of why this was warranted with full transparency.
In this particular case they tried a little out of the box approach, saying nothing and then denying Biden knew anything and finally calling in Merrick Garland to take the fall. But at least when he finally did get dragged out in front of the cameras and promised full disclosure.
2. Then make sure you have your story straight.
Blaming the FBI as having gone rogue first was not a good look, then Merrick Garland taking responsibility while Biden said he knew nothing about it, also made Biden look like a buffoon. Then they tried leaking a story that Trump was a bond villain with the nuclear codes holding the world at ransom, but that story fell apart immediately. When they did release the warrant it was absolutely clear it was a fishing expedition.
3. Make sure this holds up in court.
The court of public opinion is very important in these cases, but in the end the most important court is the criminal court. Using FBI agents that are themselves being charged with crimes and have a personal motive to seize the records in this raid will make everything seized in the raid inadmissible. OK at least legally this raid was a complete bust. However, tyrannical governments operate on a different standard from countries that operate according to the rule of law. In this case you can still show a win if
4. You can smear and destroy your enemy politically.
This was also a complete disaster resulting in the outrage against this administration being galvanized, financial support for this populist movement spiking, and rallies and protests popping up all over the country.
The reason these guys at the top are put in charge is they know how to handle the high profile cases, the ones that attract all the media attention.
For example, look at the Mar A Lago raid, you know that raiding a former president's house, a man that is still a political rival will get the full scrutiny and attention of the media so you follow these rules.
1. Have the President immediately come out and offer a complete explanation of why this was warranted with full transparency.
In this particular case they tried a little out of the box approach, saying nothing and then denying Biden knew anything and finally calling in Merrick Garland to take the fall. But at least when he finally did get dragged out in front of the cameras and promised full disclosure.
2. Then make sure you have your story straight.
Blaming the FBI as having gone rogue first was not a good look, then Merrick Garland taking responsibility while Biden said he knew nothing about it, also made Biden look like a buffoon. Then they tried leaking a story that Trump was a bond villain with the nuclear codes holding the world at ransom, but that story fell apart immediately. When they did release the warrant it was absolutely clear it was a fishing expedition.
3. Make sure this holds up in court.
The court of public opinion is very important in these cases, but in the end the most important court is the criminal court. Using FBI agents that are themselves being charged with crimes and have a personal motive to seize the records in this raid will make everything seized in the raid inadmissible. OK at least legally this raid was a complete bust. However, tyrannical governments operate on a different standard from countries that operate according to the rule of law. In this case you can still show a win if
4. You can smear and destroy your enemy politically.
This was also a complete disaster resulting in the outrage against this administration being galvanized, financial support for this populist movement spiking, and rallies and protests popping up all over the country.
Jim Jordan says 14 FBI whistleblowers have come forward
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/jim-jordan-14-fbi-whistleblowers
"Fourteen FBI agents have come to our office as whistleblowers, and they are good people," Jordan said. "There are lots of good people in the FBI. It's the top that is the problem. Some of these good agents are coming to us, telling us what is baloney, what’s going on — the political nature now of the Justice Department — God bless them for doing it — talking about the school board issue, about a whole host of issues."
This would appear to be quite a bump from a little more than two months ago, when Jordan told Fox News host Laura Ingraham that, in total, six FBI officials have approached the committee, two related to a controversy surrounding a school boards memo and four related to Jan. 6. At the time, in early June, Jordan sent a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray warning that multiple former FBI officials were coming forward with information suggesting the bureau was "purging" employees with conservative viewpoints.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/justice/jim-jordan-14-fbi-whistleblowers
"Fourteen FBI agents have come to our office as whistleblowers, and they are good people," Jordan said. "There are lots of good people in the FBI. It's the top that is the problem. Some of these good agents are coming to us, telling us what is baloney, what’s going on — the political nature now of the Justice Department — God bless them for doing it — talking about the school board issue, about a whole host of issues."
This would appear to be quite a bump from a little more than two months ago, when Jordan told Fox News host Laura Ingraham that, in total, six FBI officials have approached the committee, two related to a controversy surrounding a school boards memo and four related to Jan. 6. At the time, in early June, Jordan sent a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray warning that multiple former FBI officials were coming forward with information suggesting the bureau was "purging" employees with conservative viewpoints.
We're not talking about vaccines. Stop derailing the thread. If you want to talk about vaccines make your own thread about vaccines. We're talking about Donald Trump.. also. That's exactly what happened. Donald Trump was in possession of some government documents and was court ordered to return them. Since he refused to return them, the FBI got a warrant and retrieved them. So at minimum that's contempt
It is my understanding that the Democratic Party is worried about base turnout in the midterms. This raid was to get Trump riled and more active in the candidate selection. It may work. Those with TWS aren't careful in the selection of viable candidates (ie GA senate races in 2020). Right now, given GOP and Dem candidates, the red wave is getting bluer each week. While the TWS crowd is continuing to rehash 2020, the Dems are generating enough fear of benefit loss to bring out the same voters from 2020.
Wow, well then I'm sure they can prove that this is true when it goes to trial because Trump's lawyers says they were working with the DOJ and would give them anything they wanted.
Also, we just learn today that the FBI seized Trump's passport during the raid. That was not on the warrant and is a violation of the 4th Amendment. The constitution protects us from warrantless searches and seizures.
At least we both agree that laws were broken. Was it by the known felons of the FBI or the spotless lamb that has been examined by Mueller, two Impeachments and the NY AG?
Also, we just learn today that the FBI seized Trump's passport during the raid. That was not on the warrant and is a violation of the 4th Amendment. The constitution protects us from warrantless searches and seizures.
At least we both agree that laws were broken. Was it by the known felons of the FBI or the spotless lamb that has been examined by Mueller, two Impeachments and the NY AG?
Here is what I don't get.
Obviously if you have probably cause and a search warrant on a potential presidential candidate who will be running against Biden in two years raiding the guys house is going to appear political like Watergate 2.0. I think everyone can understand that this appears evil even if it were to turn out not to be.
Most people are arrested, interrogated, and charged with a crime at the same time they issue a warrant. Usually the same probably cause affidavit that is used to execute a warrant is also used to arrest the person. After all that is the fourth amendment, the constitution protects you from warrantless searches which means the court should have reasonable evidence that you have committed a crime before agreeing to search your house, and that warrant should say specifically what they are searching for.
So here is what I don't get, having an unprecedented raid of a former president's house and potential presidential candidate in two years should not be the exception to the rule. You would think they had really good probably cause, good enough to arrest Trump. If they had done that then there would have been a hearing and we would have charges leveled against Trump and the whole world would know what the alleged crime is. Why didn't they do that? Even the way in which this was done was keystone cops. First it is about nuclear codes, then it isn't, first this was done by the FBI not the DOJ, then it wasn't, Biden has no idea what Garland is doing, etc., etc. None of the t's were crossed, none of the i's were dotted. We are told there are 12 witnesses from the Whitehouse from 18 months ago, yet we aren't told why it took 18 months.
Because of the really, really poor way in which this has been done it fuels conspiracy theories, from those who are pro Trump that the deep state is out to seize documents that expose their crimes and bury them to Bill Maher who sees this as some kind of pro Trump exercise to help him with his poll numbers and fund raising. So people on both the left and the right see Merrick Garland and Biden as total buffoons.
Obviously if you have probably cause and a search warrant on a potential presidential candidate who will be running against Biden in two years raiding the guys house is going to appear political like Watergate 2.0. I think everyone can understand that this appears evil even if it were to turn out not to be.
Most people are arrested, interrogated, and charged with a crime at the same time they issue a warrant. Usually the same probably cause affidavit that is used to execute a warrant is also used to arrest the person. After all that is the fourth amendment, the constitution protects you from warrantless searches which means the court should have reasonable evidence that you have committed a crime before agreeing to search your house, and that warrant should say specifically what they are searching for.
So here is what I don't get, having an unprecedented raid of a former president's house and potential presidential candidate in two years should not be the exception to the rule. You would think they had really good probably cause, good enough to arrest Trump. If they had done that then there would have been a hearing and we would have charges leveled against Trump and the whole world would know what the alleged crime is. Why didn't they do that? Even the way in which this was done was keystone cops. First it is about nuclear codes, then it isn't, first this was done by the FBI not the DOJ, then it wasn't, Biden has no idea what Garland is doing, etc., etc. None of the t's were crossed, none of the i's were dotted. We are told there are 12 witnesses from the Whitehouse from 18 months ago, yet we aren't told why it took 18 months.
Because of the really, really poor way in which this has been done it fuels conspiracy theories, from those who are pro Trump that the deep state is out to seize documents that expose their crimes and bury them to Bill Maher who sees this as some kind of pro Trump exercise to help him with his poll numbers and fund raising. So people on both the left and the right see Merrick Garland and Biden as total buffoons.
Jim Jordan says 14 FBI whistleblowers have come forward
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-whistleblowers-have-come-forward/ar-AA10G5Yu
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...-whistleblowers-have-come-forward/ar-AA10G5Yu