And the SMOKE of their torment...No eternal damnation for anyone, except the Devil
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FreeGrace2 said:
You just refuted yourself!!
While God WANTS all men to be saved, per 1 Tim 2:3-6, He certainly DOESN'T save all men. He saves only those who believe, per 1 Cor 1:21.
Looks like you don't even understand yourself.
How come you don't understand the difference between "is able" and "will"?
[QOUTE]There aren’t any other options. [/QUOTE]
Of course there is the biblical one, the one that you reject.
Why are you trying to steal my point?
You just refuted yourself!!
While God WANTS all men to be saved, per 1 Tim 2:3-6, He certainly DOESN'T save all men. He saves only those who believe, per 1 Cor 1:21.
Looks like you don't even understand yourself.
How come you don't understand the difference between "is able" and "will"?
[QOUTE]There aren’t any other options. [/QUOTE]
Of course there is the biblical one, the one that you reject.
Why are you trying to steal my point?
I understand your belief is that EVERYONE is BORN immortal
and that
the 2nd death of the body and soul in the lake of fire ISN'T REALLY DEATH AT ALL
JUST the beginning of an eternal life in torment with their THINKING AND FEELING and KNOWLEDGE AKA LIFE now just an unescapable unchangeable unbearable existence
for having exercised their free will in the wrong way
BECAUSE that is what sounds JUST and RIGHT and HOLY to YOUR WAY OF THINKING.
I understand you ALSO disagree with what is written as to the former things being passed away
And He will wipe away
1813. exaleiphó ►
Strong's Concordance
exaleiphó: to wipe out, erase, obliterate
Original Word: ἐξαλείφω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: exaleiphó
Phonetic Spelling: (ex-al-i'-fo)
Definition: to wipe out, erase, obliterate
Usage: I plaster, wash over; I wipe off, wipe out, obliterate.
HELPS Word-studies
1813 eksaleíphō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 218 /aleíphō, "smear") – properly, to rub (smear) out, i.e. completely remove (wipe away); obliterate; remove totally from a previous state with the outcome of being blotted out (erased).
[1813 (eksaleíphō) originally meant, "to plaster, rub smooth, or whitewash." Later it referred to "wiping out" in the sense of "to cancel" (rubbing out a writing or seal impression left on a wax tablet). Thus 1813 (eksaleíphō) was used for canceling obligations or entitlements (extended benefits or liabilities).]
every tear from the eyes of them
and death NOT will be any longer
1510. eimi ►
Strong's Concordance
eimi: I exist, I am
Original Word: εἰμί
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')
Definition: I exist, I am
Usage: I am, exist.
1510 eimí (the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be") – am, is. 1510 (eimí), and its counterparts, (properly) convey "straight-forward" being (existence, i.e. without explicit limits).
nor mourning nor crying nor pain
NOT they will be any longer
1510. eimi ►
Strong's Concordance
eimi: I exist, I am
Original Word: εἰμί
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')
Definition: I exist, I am
Usage: I am, exist.
1510 eimí (the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be") – am, is. 1510 (eimí), and its counterparts, (properly) convey "straight-forward" being (existence, i.e. without explicit limits).
BECAUSE THE FORMER
4413. prótos ►
Strong's Concordance
prótos: first, chief
Original Word: πρῶτος, η, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: prótos
Phonetic Spelling: (pro'-tos)
Definition: first, chief
Usage: first, before, principal, most important.
HELPS Word-studies
4413 prṓtos (an adjective, derived from 4253 /pró, "before, forward") – first (foremost). 4413 /prṓtos ("first, foremost") is the superlative form of 4253 /pró ("before") meaning "what comes first" (is "number one").
THINGS HAVE PASSED AWAY
565. aperchomai ►
Strong's Concordance
aperchomai: to go away, go after
Original Word: ἀπέρχομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: aperchomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-erkh'-om-ahee)
Definition: to go away, go after
Usage: I come or go away from, depart, return, arrive, go after, follow.
2. tropically: of departing evils and sufferings, Mark 1:42; Luke 5:13 (ἡ λέπρα ἀπῆλθεν ἀπ' αὐτοῦ); Revelation 9:12; Revelation 11:14; of good things taken away from one, Revelation 18:14 (R G); of an evanescent state of things, Revelation 21:1 (Rec. παρῆλθε), 4; of a report going forth or spread εἰς, Matthew 4:24 (Treg. marginal reading ἐξῆλθεν).
1813. exaleiphó ►
Strong's Concordance
exaleiphó: to wipe out, erase, obliterate
Original Word: ἐξαλείφω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: exaleiphó
Phonetic Spelling: (ex-al-i'-fo)
Definition: to wipe out, erase, obliterate
Usage: I plaster, wash over; I wipe off, wipe out, obliterate.
HELPS Word-studies
1813 eksaleíphō (from 1537 /ek, "wholly out from," intensifying 218 /aleíphō, "smear") – properly, to rub (smear) out, i.e. completely remove (wipe away); obliterate; remove totally from a previous state with the outcome of being blotted out (erased).
[1813 (eksaleíphō) originally meant, "to plaster, rub smooth, or whitewash." Later it referred to "wiping out" in the sense of "to cancel" (rubbing out a writing or seal impression left on a wax tablet). Thus 1813 (eksaleíphō) was used for canceling obligations or entitlements (extended benefits or liabilities).]
every tear from the eyes of them
and death NOT will be any longer
1510. eimi ►
Strong's Concordance
eimi: I exist, I am
Original Word: εἰμί
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')
Definition: I exist, I am
Usage: I am, exist.
1510 eimí (the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be") – am, is. 1510 (eimí), and its counterparts, (properly) convey "straight-forward" being (existence, i.e. without explicit limits).
nor mourning nor crying nor pain
NOT they will be any longer
1510. eimi ►
Strong's Concordance
eimi: I exist, I am
Original Word: εἰμί
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: eimi
Phonetic Spelling: (i-mee')
Definition: I exist, I am
Usage: I am, exist.
1510 eimí (the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be") – am, is. 1510 (eimí), and its counterparts, (properly) convey "straight-forward" being (existence, i.e. without explicit limits).
BECAUSE THE FORMER
4413. prótos ►
Strong's Concordance
prótos: first, chief
Original Word: πρῶτος, η, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: prótos
Phonetic Spelling: (pro'-tos)
Definition: first, chief
Usage: first, before, principal, most important.
HELPS Word-studies
4413 prṓtos (an adjective, derived from 4253 /pró, "before, forward") – first (foremost). 4413 /prṓtos ("first, foremost") is the superlative form of 4253 /pró ("before") meaning "what comes first" (is "number one").
THINGS HAVE PASSED AWAY
565. aperchomai ►
Strong's Concordance
aperchomai: to go away, go after
Original Word: ἀπέρχομαι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: aperchomai
Phonetic Spelling: (ap-erkh'-om-ahee)
Definition: to go away, go after
Usage: I come or go away from, depart, return, arrive, go after, follow.
2. tropically: of departing evils and sufferings, Mark 1:42; Luke 5:13 (ἡ λέπρα ἀπῆλθεν ἀπ' αὐτοῦ); Revelation 9:12; Revelation 11:14; of good things taken away from one, Revelation 18:14 (R G); of an evanescent state of things, Revelation 21:1 (Rec. παρῆλθε), 4; of a report going forth or spread εἰς, Matthew 4:24 (Treg. marginal reading ἐξῆλθεν).
Revelation 21:1-4 KJV
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
I believe the vision John had was of something literal that's coming to us later time in the future. There was death, sorrow, crying, and pain before, but after the New Heavens and New Earth come into effect all of the former things have passed away. That means the "weeping and gnashing of teeth" will not be in existence.
We have a lot of amazing things to look forward to. The New Heavens and New Earth are going to be greater than words can describe I'm sure.
1And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
I believe the vision John had was of something literal that's coming to us later time in the future. There was death, sorrow, crying, and pain before, but after the New Heavens and New Earth come into effect all of the former things have passed away. That means the "weeping and gnashing of teeth" will not be in existence.
We have a lot of amazing things to look forward to. The New Heavens and New Earth are going to be greater than words can describe I'm sure.
I am sure you ask yourself the same question as to why WOULD GOD want anything thing evil wicked mean or nasty to be a part of the NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH? What would a 'reminder' of those who aren't worthy SERVE? It's not like we could learn anything from them. It's not like there is anything they would contribute. WE won't even REMEMBER them and God wont think on them so WHAT PURPOSE COULD IT SERVE?
There is an huge difference between Justice and Torture. One comes from Righteousness the other comes from EVIL. God is Holy and Righteous and those who believe HE WOULD DO THAT don't understand God in the least little bit.
I think this sums it up best
1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
1 Corinthians 2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Spirit teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 Corinthians 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
They fight FOR THE LETTER of what is written to be true, while we fight for the SPIRIT of what is written as the Truth.