Survey Poll: Will you take the Covid 19 Vaccine

[ZNP]

Of course I'm trying to change minds, because it seems to me that there are some minds here that have been put into a spin by their credulity. Love for my fellow man warrants I call a 'whoa, please hold up, you're not only putting you own lives at risk, but others that might be drawn into believing the misinformation that is being given out by the shonky prophets you are listening to'.

Really? The biggest threat to others lives if they are making a mistake is those that mandate the vaccine. I don't care if you are vaccinated, in fact I appreciate you willingly and of your own free will being a test subject, like a rat or a guinea pig, but with human trials. This is really how we'll get the data we need over the next ten years to determine if this is safe or not.

Your mind is the one that has been put into a spin. I am not going around trying to convince others not to take the shot, I am not the one trying to mandate that no one take the shot. Now if the data proves it is not safe and effective then by all means terminate this experiment. If fraud and criminal activity has taken place to promote this shot then by all means prosecute the criminals and convict them. If they violated Nuremberg laws to mandate an Experimental vaccine, then let's set up an international court.

Nope, none of my actions can be characterized as putting other lives at risk. But your actions, supporting government mandates of an experimental vaccine despite that being a violation of the Nuremberg laws, that is criminal behavior right there.

I would like it if you respond to this post so that if there is a trial it would prove you read it and ignored this warning.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Peddling? The origin of this word is to sell items, a traveling salesman, however it has a relatively new meaning to peddle ideas. But the sense of the word is to do that for money like the Main Stream Media or some other propaganda outlet.

Are you insinuating that Bluesproverb is posting on this site for money? Is there anyone with a financial interest in convincing people that the vaccine is dangerous? Or are you projecting? Are you being paid to peddle your opinions? I can certainly see a profit motive in trying to convince people the vaccine is safe, go ahead and take it and by all means stop sharing studies that provide evidence that it isn't safe.

This would be a very good time to confess your sins and take the Lord's blood to cleanse you from all unrighteousness prior to appearing before the Lord's judgement seat.

He's attempting to turn my asking if his real,legal,first name is Armand. And avoiding the reason why I'd asked him that.

Armand signed a confidentiality agreement with the company after he'd put the remote project group together and they started their rounds on the Net.

He's since asked me to forget he said anything prior to that. I'd call him and ask if he was on this site but it would be a waste of time. Also, his is a company cell so I suspect it wouldn't be a private call even if I wanted to chance it.

It is curious though that he's here try to turn the question around by accusing me of peddling information.

Can you imagine a pharmaceutical company paying us to speak against their ''vaccine''?

 

[ChristianTonyB]

Did they provide a link?


But you did comment.

Quite right, it would have been better that I used the word 'discussion'.

And I apologise for misunderstanding what our colleague was referring to as being the results of a follow up study dispelling the findings of the Swedish study. In fact, it was the people that carried out the Swedish study that dispelled the theory, and confirmed they found no proof that DNA was being modified. The story that DNA was being changed came from a podcaster.

Here's a fact check link that provides the reality of it all:
https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/a-swedish-study-did-not-say-covid-vaccine-changes-human-dna/

 

[Bluesproverb]

Really? The biggest threat to others lives if they are making a mistake is those that mandate the vaccine. I don't care if you are vaccinated, in fact I appreciate you willingly and of your own free will being a test subject, like a rat or a guinea pig, but with human trials. This is really how we'll get the data we need over the next ten years to determine if this is safe or not.

Your mind is the one that has been put into a spin. I am not going around trying to convince others not to take the shot, I am not the one trying to mandate that no one take the shot. Now if the data proves it is not safe and effective then by all means terminate this experiment. If fraud and criminal activity has taken place to promote this shot then by all means prosecute the criminals and convict them. If they violated Nuremberg laws to mandate an Experimental vaccine, then let's set up an international court.

Nope, none of my actions can be characterized as putting other lives at risk. But your actions, supporting government mandates of an experimental vaccine despite that being a violation of the Nuremberg laws, that is criminal behavior right there.

The Nuremberg Code prohibits mandating people consent to the shot.

That doesn't mean state governments and major corporations don't insist on potential new hires get the shot.
They figure members of the general public needing a job don't have the resources to take them to court to prosecute their violation of that code.

I know a guy whose wife works remotely as an agent for Aetna insurance.
She's in her own home on a company system and they mandated she get the jab and all boosters to keep her job.

An insurance company no less.

 

[ChristianTonyB]

He's attempting to turn my asking if his real,legal,first name is Armand. And avoiding the reason why I'd asked him that.

Armand signed a confidentiality agreement with the company after he'd put the remote project group together and they started their rounds on the Net.

He's since asked me to forget he said anything prior to that. I'd call him and ask if he was on this site but it would be a waste of time. Also, his is a company cell so I suspect it wouldn't be a private call even if I wanted to chance it.

It is curious though that he's here try to turn the question around by accusing me of peddling information.

Can you imagine a pharmaceutical company paying us to speak against their ''vaccine''?

I suspect you are not able to understand how illogical your assessment sounds, and I find that very grieving.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Quite right, it would have been better that I used the word 'discussion'.

And I apologise for misunderstanding what our colleague was referring to as being the results of a follow up study dispelling the findings of the Swedish study. In fact, it was the people that carried out the Swedish study that dispelled the theory, and confirmed they found no proof that DNA was being modified. The story that DNA was being changed came from a podcaster.

Here's a fact check link that provides the reality of it all:
https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/a-swedish-study-did-not-say-covid-vaccine-changes-human-dna/

Here's the reality of the study.
The above claim is false.
https://www.mdpi.com/1467-3045/44/3/73/htm

 

[Bluesproverb]

I suspect you are not able to understand how illogical your assessment sounds, and I find that very grieving.

Armi, if this is you , your claims of illogic are sounding desperate given your claim makes no sense. You're reaching mate.

Go have a pint.

That non-disclosute clause beyond termination of duties and mortal term of life has you covered.

And before Armand, I thought Oprah was the only person I'd heard of that makes everyone in her company Harpo sign a non-disclosure agreement that is in force even after she's dead.

And Ms.O is a malignant narcissist. What's that make Pfizer?

 

[shittim]

Just as we can't reason with a narcissist, we are moving to a season where the neurological mrna caused problems will make it impossible to reason with a jabbed person?
Reminds me of how the clean have no fellowship with the unclean.

 

[Bluesproverb]

I forgot all about that scene.
Embarrassed.
Must be predictive programming.

Hey, wouldn't be the first time.

Remember the old Chris Carter production, X-Files?
Months months, before 9/11 a storyline about a plane flying into the towers aired.

''The Lone Gunmen Plot''.
Eerie.

 

[Bluesproverb]

Just as we can't reason with a narcissist, we are moving to a season where the neurological mrna caused problems will make it impossible to reason with a jabbed person?
Reminds me of how the clean have no fellowship with the unclean.

The COVID-19 lockdown was a social experiment.

I wouldn't doubt that this jab is not just a means of population control but is also an inroad into human engineering.

Remember the report that Ellon Musk endeavors to create a brain computer interface [BCI]?

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

Hey, wouldn't be the first time.

Remember the old Chris Carter production, X-Files?
Months months, before 9/11 a storyline about a plane flying into the towers aired.

''The Lone Gunmen Plot''.
Eerie.

You won't believe this, but I stayed up and watched this video last night. It's been on my mind. I'll post a preview for you before starting a new thread.
I remember an interview Chris Carter and that actor Dean Haglund who were explaining how they got a script for the pilot.
The CA provided it. Whoah! How about that?

I'm posting this next weekend if I can rember.
Remind me because I'm too tired to spell right now. Lol

 

[ChristianTonyB]

Armi, if this is you , your claims of illogic are sounding desperate given your claim makes no sense. You're reaching mate.

Go have a pint.

That non-disclosute clause beyond termination of duties and mortal term of life has you covered.

And before Armand, I thought Oprah was the only person I'd heard of that makes everyone in her company Harpo sign a non-disclosure agreement that is in force even after she's dead.

And Ms.O is a malignant narcissist. What's that make Pfizer?

You‘re acting the fool, and so is anyone else here that is supporting you in this matter. But enough of you.

 

[Angela53510]

I am well aware that the Spanish flu was deadlier than Covid19, I am also well aware that it was a worldwide pandemic. Yes, in individual locations they may have mandated a mask but that was not universal. Never before in History have we seen a worldwide shutdown, that is what is unique. We have seen deadly plagues, pestilences, epidemics and even pandemics before. However, a "pandemic" that spans the globe is going to be directly affected by travel and prior to commercial airfare that was limited, at least in time. Ships would certainly carry diseases from one port to the next, but it was easy to quarantine a ship and since it could take a week or more to get from one port to the next you would generally see people on the ship come down with the disease and so refuse to let them disembark.

However, this post of yours has left us all breathless for this marvelous insight you must have from your years of studying hermeneutics. Don't stop here otherwise we would think you are telling us to not watch for the Lord's coming, a direct contradiction to His command to us. When asked about His coming He gave the signs to the disciples. So please, by all means, enlighten us.

I've NEVER told anyone not to wait for Jesus return. It is the closure of this world, and a new world with Jesus sitting in the throne. Sin will be gone! We will be glorified by the Holy Spirit. I wait for that day! I read the Bible to find out what it says about the Second Coming, though!

I do not read newspapers or watch false tele-evangelists to see what nonsense they have come up with. The Bible is a sure, clear word! Signs supposedly in newspapers, on TV have nothing to do with eschatology. Jesus lets us know in his Word when the end comes. All we have to do is wait, and rejoice when he returns. Too many people taking advantage of the flock, and then bringing nonsense into this forum.

Yes, we await the Second Coming of Christ! Just don't get caught in the unscrupulous claws of take evangelists who twist the Bible to their own evil ways!

 

[Angela53510]

I think this is because Wolfwint (or maybe it was when he was under the name Aidan1) has said in the past (and there's no way I'm going to try and go back to find this, if I happen to stumble across it again I'll point you to it) but once wolfwint/aidan1 made comments about "working in hospital" but when it was questioned of him for what position he finally said something about being in custodial, so unless there was a language misunderstanding there it was taken by SEVERAL people that he (wolfwint/aidan1) admitted to working in a hospital in custodial (often referred to as janitorial in the US) NOT nursing.
BIG DIFFERENCE in those positions.

So @wolfwint or aka @Aidan1 can you once again (maybe clear this up and tell us again) what your role in the hospital you work in is? Are you a nurse or other medical professional, or are you there as part of the cleaning crew?

Aiden has been my friend for many years. He did try to downplay his important position at first, but he never said he worked in a custodial position. He was just being humble, rather than bragging.

We also have to always keep in mind, that Wolfwint is German. He is learning English, and in the early years, his English was very poor. I've noticed how much his English has improved, after I came back, this time. So in those early years, he might have said things he didn't mean, in account of his bad English. It is exciting to see how much better his English, says the French teacher! Who is now learning Ukrainian. After 180 days in Duolingo, I can read most of the Cyrillic words in my Ukrainian FB groups. But could I speak well? Not at all!

Aiden and I have talked about his medical career in private messages here. He made it very clear to me, that his job was as a nursing supervisor of a unit in a large German hospital. I do hope he answers your question clearly. Maybe I will find it in the next few pages!

 

[Angela53510]

This is totally wrong. They did have vaccines back then, as this was what caused the "Spanish flu". The people who didn't take the vaxes didn't get sick. There was the same old fear-mongering back then, when soldiers were returning from the war that people at home would come down with mysterious and tropical viruses, the same mentality sheeple lining up to get their tainted medicines which they thought would save them from the imaginary viruses, and the same mentality sheeple dying from the poisoned medicines they took out of fear and ill-founded faith. Vaccines kill - they always have and always will. Man cannot improve on what God has made.

There were some bacterial vaccines they tried which of course did not work on the Spanish influenza. My grandfather had no vaccine in war torn Ukraine. Neither did his friends. His friends died, he did not!

Most vaccines do work, and they help. For instance, small pox had a vaccine which was actually made from cow pox. Milk maids all have cow pox sooner or later, then they never got small pox. This vaccine made you very sick for a day or so. I remember being so sick from it. Of course, small pox has been defeated because of the vaccine. I take a pneumococcus vaccine which has dramatically lowered my incidence of pneumonias. Before my husband got the pneumococcus vaccine, he'd get so sick he would end up in the ICU almost dead. Since he had that vaccine, he has never gotten sick like he did before it. He hasn't been in the ICU since 2008.

Polio has been an important vaccine. Polio was a terrible disease that either maimed people or killed them. We got Hep A& B done, and we have no health problems when we travel to places that have Hep A& B.

You are confused. The COVID vaxes were experimental. They were not tried long enough, plus the excluded whole categories from their clinical trials. Like people with autoimmune disorders. I was not hurt at all by the 3 vaxes I took, not even a sore arm. Maybe I am used to taking needles? My objection, for me, is that it didn't protect me from getting COVID, or a milder case. Mine turned into
Pneumonia, And had I not gotten monoclonal antibodies I would have died.

Vaccines are not evil. They are helpful in preventing many deadly diseases. But the COVID vaxes used an experimental process, with the mRNA not working properly. It didn't keep me from getting sick. Maybe it helped others?

COVID vaxes were not properly tested, they did not work in so many people. But other vaccines went through the process properly, tested properly, & did not use experimental techniques. I will continue to use the pneumococcus vaccine every 5 years, and so will my husband. But experimental COVID vaccines? Never again!

 

[Angela53510]

It’s trusting in man and his pseudo science (self understanding) versus being led in Truth by the Holy Spirit. We just have to question everything and research. Instead of blindly accepting what someone tells us is True because they say so. Even though it isn’t rooted in observable facts, but theorizing and deeming it as fact. Like “evolution” for instance.

Actually, the basis of science is to question everything, to create experiments which can correlate results, or disregard them.

Real science always asks questions. It's sad that you never learned this is school. But the COVID vaxes were rushed, not tested properly, and, as you point out, they were pushed on us with mandates, or being coerced by media & gov't. Real science would never push a mostly untested vaccine. Plus, when doctors noted so many were still so sick & the vaccine wasn't working, those doctors were fired or ignored. So yes, always question the science. That is what we are suppposed to do!

Science: the systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the material and physical universe, based on observation, experiment, and measurement, and the formulation of laws to describe these facts in general terms.

Doubt is essential to science

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sc...e/why-doubt-is-essential-to-science/?amp=trueIn

 

[Angela53510]

It was called a vaccine as there are legal protections for companies that produce true vaccines that cause harm. The human papilloma virus vaccine was one that came out, nearly immediately the were enough deaths it was pulled, I believe about 24 deaths, this just keeps getting mandated and used without any seeming benefit.
Very early on in the covid scam the reliable prophetic people received word the virus would be easy to kill, it was the following injection that would do the killing, we are seeing it now.

My daughter was being forced to get this vaccine. I sat down and talked with her. I told her very frankly that if she was going to be sexually promiscuous, she should get the vaccine. But if she remained a virgin till she was married, she would never need the vaccine. She chose the second option. Both she & her husband were virgins when they got married. Neither has had any sexually transmitted diseases.,Thst is really the central point! If you are promiscuous, you will get these sexually transmitted diseases, and not just the human papilloma virus. There's still many others: "It's important to learn about STDs so you can protect yourself. Learn about the signs and symptoms of the most common STDs, how they spread, and how they're diagnosed and treated:

• Chlamydia
• Genital Herpes
• Genital Warts (HPV)
• Gonorrhea
• Hepatitis B (HBV)
• HIV and AIDS
• Pelvic Inflammatory Disease (PID)
• Pubic Lice (Crabs)
• Syphilis
• Trichomoniasis"
• 
  
• https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/std.html
• Even more important, follow God's Word and live a Christian life and don't have sex if you are not married. Then, you will not get STD's or unwanted children!

 

[ChristianTonyB]

Vaccines are not evil. They are helpful in preventing many deadly diseases. But the COVID vaxes used an experimental process, with the mRNA not working properly. It didn't keep me from getting sick. Maybe it helped others?

COVID vaxes were not properly tested, they did not work in so many people. But other vaccines went through the process properly, tested properly, & did not use experimental techniques. I will continue to use the pneumococcus vaccine every 5 years, and so will my husband. But experimental COVID vaccines? Never again!

I understand why you would be reticent to accept any future Covid vaccine or booster Angela, given your personal experience.

However, in my experience it seems the Covid vaccines helped the rest of my family ... 4 adults. They all got Omicron, yet none were hospitalised. They all had the full vaccines and one booster. One of the adults has been immuno-compromised for a couple of years due to a blood disease. I suspect if they hadn't had the vaccines the outcome may have been very different. One is in her 40s, the other 3 are in their 70s.

But no vaccine is 100% effective for everyone. Vaccines and antiviral medicines, and the isolation or quarantining of those infected have all helped to mitigate diseases and the illnesses they cause.

I can't see how the governments could have done anything different. The hospitals and medical staff were being overwhelmed with the ill and dying, including from within their own ranks. There would have been some consideration given to the possibility of adverse reactions or nil effect of the vaccines, but when all was said and done they had to approve the use of them, even though all the stages of testing that would normally be required, weren't completed. There was no viable alternative on the horizon for them.

If you were in the position of authority to either approve or reject the use of the early vaccines, what would you have done? If your decision was to reject vaccinations, as not being a reasonable means of defence against Covid infection or severe illness from it, what strategy then would you have used to help stop hospitals from being overwhelmed, and people from getting ill and dying from it?

 

[ChristianTonyB]

My daughter was being forced to get this vaccine. I sat down and talked with her. I told her very frankly that if she was going to be sexually promiscuous, she should get the vaccine. But if she remained a virgin till she was married, she would never need the vaccine. She chose the second option. Both she & her husband were virgins when they got married. Neither has had any sexually transmitted diseases.,Thst is really the central point! If you are promiscuous, you will get these sexually transmitted diseases, and not just the human papilloma virus. There's still many others: "It's important to learn about STDs so you can protect yourself. Learn about the signs and symptoms of the most common STDs, how they spread, and how they're diagnosed and treated:

• Chlamydia
• Genital Herpes
• Genital Warts (HPV)
• Gonorrhea
• Hepatitis B (HBV)
• HIV and AIDS
• Pelvic Inflammatory Disease (PID)
• Pubic Lice (Crabs)
• Syphilis
• Trichomoniasis"
• 
  
• https://kidshealth.org/en/teens/std.html
• Even more important, follow God's Word and live a Christian life and don't have sex if you are not married. Then, you will not get STD's or unwanted children!

I would have said to my daughter, if you are going to be promiscuous you are not welcome in my home, and certainly further warned her of the consequences of fornication, as you rightly did.

I can't see the relevance between STDs and Covid, unless we agree that it is a shot across our bows from God because of human kinds' immoral and otherwise ungodly behaviour.

 

[shittim]

You‘re acting the fool, and so is anyone else here that is supporting you in this matter. But enough of you.

judge much?
Aren't you due for another booster?