Who Justifieth the Ungodly

reneweddaybyday · Jul 31, 2022

"code" for "don't hold brightfame52 responsible for what brightfame52 said and/or when brightfame52 said it"

brightfame52 said:

I sure did ... and you have provided no Scripture which indicates God did not create, form, make mankind without faith.

On the other hand, I have provided Scripture which indicates that mankind suppresses the truth in unrighteousness ... not because they do not have faith to believe ... but because:

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [Greek katecho = suppress, restrain] the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Those who do not believe suppress the truth in unrighteousness. They reject the truth of Scripture ... not because they do not have faith, but because they hold to something (place their faith in something) other than the truth of Scripture which God has clearly revealed to them.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
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reneweddaybyday · Jul 31, 2022

brightfame52 said:

what is "incredible" is that you continue to insist that "Human faith" actually exists. There is no Scriptural support for your claim that there is "Human faith" ... that ideology is made up by you to support your error.

On the other hand, I have shown you from Scripture that there is only one faith:

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism

For you to continue to insist that there is more than one faith indicates that you suppress the truth in unrighteousness:

Romans 1:

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

God has used me to reveal to you the truth of Scripture ... and you suppress the truth in unrighteousness because you would rather hold to your erroneous dogma than believe the truth of Scripture.

have fun with that!!!
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reneweddaybyday · Jul 31, 2022

brightfame52 said:

nope ... I have submitted post after post stating that justification is through faith. If you would like, I can provide links to the numerous posts where I have so stated. Here are just a few of the more recent posts I've submitted where I've tried to tell you that justification is through faith:

Post #1945
Post #1675
Post #1667

brightfame52 said:

I am not responsible for your misinterpretation of what I have stated any more than I am responsible for your misinterpretation of Scripture on this point ... that is all on you. You need to take responsibility for your own actions/beliefs.

brightfame52 said:

So here is the question you continue to refuse to answer, brightfame52 ...

Post #1698

it's so interesting you won't answer the question I have asked you a couple of times now ...

love is the fruit of the Spirit as well. Are you saying that natural man cannot love because love is the fruit of the Spirit?

What about temperance (self control)? No natural men have self control?

How about patience? No natural men are patient?

Or is it only faith that you claim is withheld from mankind ... or given only to the "elect" so that the "elect" is born again and has fruit of the Spirit so he/she can believe the gospel by which he/she is born again ?

Why won't you answer the questions, brightfame52???

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reneweddaybyday · Jul 31, 2022

brightfame52 said:

don't lay that lie at my doorstep. You are the only one on this thread who has made the claim ... so you are the one who makes "faith out to be a law, a condition".

You need to take resonsibility for your own statements. Do not make me responsible for what you have said. Since it is you who has claimed (and who continues to claim) that "faith is a law, a condition", then it is you who needs to provide Scriptural support for your claim.

I will wait patiently for you to provide support for your claim that "faith is a law".
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FreeGrace2 · Jul 31, 2022

brightfame52 said:

This is incredibly dense. The Bible is very clear. Your comment is totally unbiblical.

This is what the Bible REQUIRES for salvation and eternal life.

Salvation:

Mark 16:16 " He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Luke 8:12 "Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.

Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

Acts 11:14 and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.'

Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Rom 10:9, 10 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

1 Col 1:21 - God was pleased to save those who believe

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

1 Peter 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.

2 Thess 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

Eternal Life:

John 3:15-16 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

John 6:47 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

1 Tim 1:16 Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

FreeGrace2 · Jul 31, 2022

brightfame52 said:

Your calvinist confusion is amazing. The Bible never speaks of various kinds of faith.

Rom 10:10 teaches that man believes from the heart. iow, man believes from his soul.

There are no verses that teach that God causes anyone to believe. That is just a calvinist fallacy.

brightfame52 · Jul 31, 2022

reneweddaybyday said:

I agree with that verse, not sure why you posted it. I dont think you agree with it since you promote Justification by keeping the law.

brightfame52 · Jul 31, 2022

reneweddaybyday said:

Nope. I have shown you over and over in this thread alone that faith is not works

Romans 4:

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

The one who makes faith "a law, a work" is the one who states over and over that I am "obligated to do the whole law" ... and it is brightfame52 who continues to throw that lie at me.
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You make Faith a law work, an obligation every man must fulfill in order for God to Justify them.

brightfame52 · Jul 31, 2022

reneweddaybyday said:

Its the Born again man or woman who believes in Jesus 1 Jn 5:1
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

And only the Ones who God Justified by the Blood and Righteousness of Jesus Christ will be born again. Thats a byproduct of Christs redeeming death.

brightfame52 · Jul 31, 2022

renewed

nope ... I read Scripture just as the Author wrote it:

Scripture clearly states we are justified by faith:

Romans 4:

24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ

You, on the other hand make up stuff such as "human faith" ... all to prop up an erroneous dogma which cannot withstand the slightest scrutiny from the light of Scripture.

You may have read scripture, but thats not understanding scripture, hence denigrate faith into a law requirement to get Justified.

brightfame52 · Jul 31, 2022

renewed

You the one making human faith a requirement men naturally must have and do to get Justified. Thats promoting law

brightfame52 · Jul 31, 2022

renewed

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified

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That verse is true, yet you promote the very opposite, justification by keeping the law, human faith.

reneweddaybyday · Jul 31, 2022

brightfame52 said:

Again, you are the only one who promotes your imaginary notion concerning "Justification by keeping the law". You first claimed that lie on July 4, 2022 when you submitted Post #1713 wherein you attempted to claim that Matthew 23:23 "Identifies Faith as one of the weightier matters of the Law ? And that its something done !"

I replied the same day and explained the meaning of the verse to you at Post #1720:

you are so embroiled in propping up your dogma that you wholly miss the point!

Do you know what is the purpose of the law, brightfame52?

Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

The purpose of the law is to lead mankind to Messiah. The keeping of the law was never intended as a means of salvation ... salvation is wholly by grace through faith. That is clearly written in Scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus pointed out that the scribes and pharisees were trying to keep the law in an attempt to gain salvation and, in so doing, they missed the whole point of the law because the law pointed to their need for Him.

Since you read Scripture through the lens of your erroneous dogma, you also completely miss the point Jesus made and you have now stated faith = law.

Additionally, you now have the Lord Jesus Christ claiming that "faith is works", which completely contradicts what is written in Scripture. If there is any contradiction in Scripture, the whole Bible falls apart.

If there appears to be contradiction between your dogma and what you see written in Scripture, you are to let go of your erroneous dogma. If there appears to be contradiction in Scripture, you must first look to your own lack of understanding what is written as the issue. Scripture does not contradict Scripture.

Your tired old lie that I "promote Justification by keeping the law" is wearing thin and it is time for you to put that one to rest.
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reneweddaybyday · Jul 31, 2022

brightfame52 said:

Again, you saying Faith = "a law work, an obligation every man must fulfill" does not affect faith at all. When God says faith ≠ works, I believe Him.

Romans 4:

2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

It is quite obvious you do not believe God (which might be an indication that you are not a child of God).
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reneweddaybyday · Jul 31, 2022

brightfame52 said:

Interesting, brightfame52 ...

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

you gonna accuse the 1 John 5:1 folks of "Justification by keeping the law" ... or is that accusation only for those of us on this thread who do not fall for your erroneous dogma???

Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive
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reneweddaybyday · Jul 31, 2022

brightfame52 said:

Since you are the only person on this thread who has stated faith is "a law requirement to get Justified" because you completely misinterpreted Matthew 23:23, I suggest you consider that it is you who "may have read scripture, but thats not understanding scripture".

brightfame52 said:

yawn ... this lie of yours has been shown to be a nothingburger for awhile, brightfame52. time to put it to rest.

brightfame52 said:

Your shtick about "human faith" is another of your made up lies due to your inability to comprehend Scripture.

That term ("human faith") is a figment of your imagination.

I, on the other hand, have maintained that there is no such thing as "human faith" as, according to Scripture there is only one faith ...

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism

... one faith with which mankind believes the truth of Scripture.

When a person mis-utilizes that which God has provided to all mankind in order to believe Truth, that person believes the lies of satan with the same faith the true believer believes the Truth laid out in Scripture.
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brightfame52 · Jul 31, 2022

reneweddaybyday said:

I know who Ephesians was written to

reneweddaybyday said:

I know who Ephesians was written to, like all other scripture, to the saints, not the natural man. Now Redemption which equates to Justification is through the Blood of Christ. Thats why people become believers/living saints. Eph 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

brightfame52 · Jul 31, 2022

reneweddaybyday said:

Since you scared to answer, the it is the imputed righteousness of Christ. Only Christ is our righteousness made so by God 1 Cor 1:30

30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Faith isnt a persons righteousness, Christ is, the object of Faith. You place faith in your faith for righteousness, not Christ,

brightfame52 · Jul 31, 2022

renewed

False teaching, Christ came to redeem only the Seed of Abraham Heb 2:16

16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

The seed of Abraham belongs to Christ Gal 3:29

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Christ came to save exclusively the heirs !

brightfame52 · Jul 31, 2022

reneweddaybyday said:

Again Christ doesnt knock on nobody's heart, this isn't cartoons. And of course the unregenerate hearts of men resist the truth, thats natural. The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

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