Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

Dirtman · Jul 25, 2022

This video is a good clear teaching about baptism. Please watch and enjoy.

peldom10 · Jul 25, 2022

This video is a good clear teaching about baptism. Please watch and enjoy.

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Who needs mans' further input when scriptures are perfectly clear that baptism is required for sin cleansing in the repentance process?

Bluesproverb · Jul 25, 2022

Dirtman said:

They made a claim concerning the ministry of Reverend Billy Graham.

jaybo · Jul 25, 2022

peldom10 said:

Romans 7:4 says "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God." Is that not in your Bible or did you not read it?

The meaning is clear! Christians are dead to the law!

Dirtman · Jul 25, 2022

jaybo said:

Do you not think that the law do not commit adultery still stands?

CorrectiveLens · Jul 25, 2022

Dirtman said:

If you receive the Holy Spirit of God, your heart would be full of love for everyone. You would be full of love and respect for your neighbor and his wife as well as your own wife. When the motive for every thought and action is love, you will be obeying the Spirit of the Law and not breaking the letter of the Law. If you concentrate on obeying without that love in your heart, you are doomed to failure.

Wansvic · Jul 25, 2022

CorrectiveLens said:

Jesus commanded to baptize in the NAME of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost in Matthew 28:19. The apostles obeyed by water baptizing in the name of the Lord Jesus as seen throughout scripture. Why? Because Jesus is the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost as confirmed by Col. 2:9; in Jesus dwells all the fulness of the Godhead.

Also, the truth that being baptized in the name of the Lord is water baptism is witnessed in Peter's exchange in Acts 10:47-48:

"Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord."

CorrectiveLens · Jul 25, 2022

Wansvic said:

All the baptisms done with water in the new testament were done by Christian Jews. Jews from all around the Jordan came to John the baptist to get baptized with water by him. WHY? They never heard of Jesus and were not Christians. They went there to publically declare their repentance to God and to witnesses. That is why John's baptism with water is called the baptism of repentance. Remember that at first, Christian Jews thought Gentiles were not included in salvation and after they were included, that they had to be circumcized. Water baptism is just a Jewish expression of repentance. When Jesus first started His ministry, He preached repentance. I believe that giving water credit for performing anything spiritual other than an expression of repentance is a form of idolatry.

Dirtman · Jul 25, 2022

I dont know how y'all just throw away what is in 1Peter3:21 where he says baptism now saves you.

DavidTree · Jul 25, 2022

Bluesproverb said:

No.

Mark 16:16
The one having believed and having been baptized will be saved, but the one having disbelieved will be condemned.

Note it doesn't say, the one having disbelieved and not being baptized will be condemned.

Who did Jesus baptize in liquid water? Book,chapter,verse?

No one.

If liquid water immersion Dave's Jesus missed teaching by example.

John 17:2

2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. 3 This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. 4 I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. 5 Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. 6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. 7 Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You; 8 for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they that You sent Me. 9 I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours;

John 17:17
I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.

Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Who, and/or, what do you mean by "is Dave's Jesus"?

DavidTree · Jul 25, 2022

Dirtman said:

Read it again = ALL of chapter 3 and pay special attention beginning with vs14
1Peter 3:21 does not say that water baptism saves us.

Peace

DavidTree · Jul 25, 2022

jaybo said:

Romans 7:4 says "So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you could be joined to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, to bear fruit to God." Is that not in your Bible or did you not read it?

The meaning is clear! Christians are dead to the law!

HalleluYah

DavidTree · Jul 25, 2022

CorrectiveLens said:

All the baptisms done with water in the new testament were done by Christian Jews. Jews from all around the Jordan came to John the baptist to get baptized with water by him. WHY? They never heard of Jesus and were not Christians. They went there to publically declare their repentance to God and to witnesses. That is why John's baptism with water is called the baptism of repentance. Remember that at first, Christian Jews thought Gentiles were not included in salvation and after they were included, that they had to be circumcized. Water baptism is just a Jewish expression of repentance. When Jesus first started His ministry, He preached repentance. I believe that giving water credit for performing anything spiritual other than an expression of repentance is a form of idolatry.

You will find many 'christianized' idols floating around in the minds of many on here.

Magenta · Jul 25, 2022

jaybo said:

Acts 13:38-39

RichGladden · Jul 25, 2022

Runningman said:

I’ll break the passage down to the best of my understanding then it’s between you and God what you want to believe.

Romans 6:4,5 KJV
4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

“Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:”

Holy Spirit baptism doesn’t involve physical death or spiritual death because prior to that baptism the person was already dead in their trespasses. Therefore this must be referring to a literal water immersion which is the likeness of His death in the sense when we go below the water it’s like being buried.

“that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.”

Christ’s body was literally resurrected. Meaning He died and His physical body was brought back to life. When we are are baptized we don’t literally become resurrected because that would involve dying first. That means this is for a future literal resurrection like Christ’s resurrection. There’s no comparison between Christ’s resurrection and a symbolic resurrection. Therefore this verse must be literal.

“For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:”

Legwork here is likeness. Christ didn’t die spiritually or was born again during His water baptism or His Spirit baptism because He’s perfect sinless God. He was not resurrected during His baptism either. This passage is for the church, for repentant sinners, who have been water baptized and will therefore for share in the likeness of His resurrection which was a literally bodily raising from the dead.

There’s no other rational way to understand this passage unless it’s literal and no symbolic.

This may have already been posted, so forgive me if I repeat something as I have not had time to read each comment. Baptism in the way most baptists and a few other denominations are not necessary for salvation. Remember, if you will, the thief that was crucified next to our Lord, Jesus. Jesus never never said, nor is it recorded, "Quick, Dunk him!" Be Blessed.

Bluesproverb · Jul 25, 2022

DavidTree said:

It's auto-correct. Apparently it corrected Saves to read as Dave's.

It did it again just now as I wrote this only it corrected at a quicker pace.

The sentence is clear even when I can't edit. Just one letter off.
We know there's no such thing as Dave's Jesus.
I should have proofread before posting.

''If liquid water immersion Save's Jesus missed teaching by example.''

Thanks for asking.😊

peldom10 · Jul 25, 2022

jaybo said:

Has nothing to do with baptism as we are speaking.

peldom10 · Jul 25, 2022

CorrectiveLens said:

All the baptisms done with water in the new testament were done by Christian Jews. Jews from all around the Jordan came to John the baptist to get baptized with water by him. WHY? They never heard of Jesus and were not Christians. They went there to publically declare their repentance to God and to witnesses. That is why John's baptism with water is called the baptism of repentance. Remember that at first, Christian Jews thought Gentiles were not included in salvation and after they were included, that they had to be circumcized. Water baptism is just a Jewish expression of repentance. When Jesus first started His ministry, He preached repentance. I believe that giving water credit for performing anything spiritual other than an expression of repentance is a form of idolatry.

Dead wrong.

Dirtman · Jul 25, 2022

DavidTree said:

So all that flood talk and comparison to a real flood with real water and suddenly baptism is not water. Thats some serious eisegesis.
I mean even the parenthetic statement about not the washing pf dirt from the body definitely points to water.

Bluesproverb · Jul 25, 2022

CorrectiveLens said:

That and a form of the false works doctrine.

We are saved the moment we believe.

It's not at all surprising for whom that is news. We are saved and our sins are forgiven in that same moment. Because, as works teachers do not realize, Jesus paid our price on the cross.

He didn't take the sins of everyone in the world upon himself on the cross. He took the sins of [in] the world upon himself on the cross.The sins being put under his blood, covered and overcome of their power to condemn.

Jesus is, was as he said during his ministry, the water of life. Blood is the life.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

That is how Jesus is known as the unblemished lamb, and last sacrifice for sin. The altar was the cross.

He paid the sin, was the propitiation for our sins.

1John 4:10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Propitiation- a two-part act that involves appeasing the wrath of an offended person and being reconciled to him.

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