The offer of Salvation is universal, but the application is only : "by Faith".

[Runningman]

It has nothing to do with todays Christians as they have passed from condemnation to life (Jn 5:24).
It's a judgment of the nations (v.32), as to how they treated the Jews during the GT.

Matthew 25:34
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

Some of the nations will inherit a kingdom, but they aren’t Christian? Also, you mentioned the GT. When was or is the GT?

 

[Bluesproverb]

My gospel say save by faith and faith bear the fruit of loving work

your gospel say save by faith it doesn’t matter if you do killed or rob the bank for living you do save by faith

That's not the gospel ''good needs message at all.

When were saved from our sins it means we are not led into sin. Otherwise, its not a saving from sin. It's a pause.

1 John 3:6 “No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.”

 

[crossnote]

Then yours is mine

Your's says you must not do those things in order to receive the Holy Spirit. Big difference.

 

[crossnote]

And who are the sheep, Christian or not?

They are post rapture sheep.

 

[Bluesproverb]

That's not the gospel ''good news'' message at all.

When were saved from our sins it means we are not led into sin. Otherwise, its not a saving from sin. It's a pause.

1 John 3:6 “No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him.”

 

[crossnote]

Matthew 25:34
34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

Some of the nations will inherit a kingdom, but they aren’t Christian? Also, you mentioned the GT. When was or is the GT?

GT is short for the Great Tribulation. (Christians today will already be raptured by that time). The nations will be judged by how they treated Christ's brethren (the Jews) during the GT. We have already passed out of judgment into life (Jn 5:24)

 

[Jackson123]

They are post rapture sheep.

Christian or not?

 

[Jackson123]

GT is short for the Great Tribulation. (Christians today will already be raptured by that time). The nations will be judged by how they treated Christ's brethren (the Jews) during the GT. We have already passed out of judgment into life (Jn 5:24)

According to Paul in 2 tes 2 rapture and second coming happen after intichrist reveal not befor gt

2 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness[a] is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

 

[John146]

So you accuse Jesus teaching work base salvation in John 15 and Matt 25

Nice try, not eternal salvation of the soul, but being saved into the earthly kingdom of heaven. And yes, one must keep the faith and commandments of God. See Revelation 14:12.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

We must not forget that God has foreknowledge and knows who will choose to follow His Son.

By God's foreknowledge, he saw that no one would understand, or seek him (Psalms 14:2-3).

 

[Mem]

It wasn't blasphemy. It wasn't an insult. That you had to add a word to Mem's words demonstrates that. She used a poetic metaphor for barrenness... that's it, that's all. Your behaviour is indefensible. If you're that prone to offense, you're on the wrong forum.

Interesting enough to note that, prior to the event, there came a thought saying, "here comes the charge of blasphemy," and lo and behold, there it was. And I later learned by a post from runningman that there are other incidences so this seems to be a
pet tactic.

Mem said this in post 31:
If we think of how Abraham believed, in spite of the natural evidence, or lack thereof, his old body and Sarah's empty dust lined baby shelf. He believed what God said. Could he have 'received' it until that moment?

What could he have been referring to that would qualify otherwise in that description of Sarah?

Do tell.

Well, I can certainly understand why Mem decided to blaspheme Sarah through allusion.

He knew some would not understand the context of the discussion and actually think he was talking about a literal shelf.

Because 'dusty,old,baby' is always relative to.... literal shelves.

He knows how to bluff certain ones in his audience, I'll give him that.

God also knows what mem actually meant. Despite his apologists. No bluffing that off.

We're done.

This shows my argument to have been so compelling that she had to resort to the redirect the attention from the actual argument to the dust on the shelf, and throw in a sensational charge to add a bit of pizzazz, to compensate for her argument on the topic having fallen so flat.

sigh* I wish I could keep up real time with all the excitement. But, until I may return, God bless and keep you, shine His face upon you and lift you up. Shalom.

 

[crossnote]

Christian or not?

Not Christian from this dispensation, more like old testament saints.

 

[crossnote]

According to Paul in 2 tes 2 rapture and second coming happen after intichrist reveal not befor gt

I think you have the Day of the Lord confused with the rapture. The antichrist is revealed before that great and terrible day.
Jesus comes after the Tribulation.

 

[Jackson123]

Not Christian from this dispensation, more like old testament saints.

New Testament era use Old Testament rule
what verse explain you theory?

 

[crossnote]

New Testament era use Old Testament rule
what verse explain you theory?

Before I answer your question, please answer this one I had asked you the other day which was never answered....
"How much fruit do you need to produce until you are saved"?

 

[oyster67]

By God's foreknowledge, he saw that no one would understand, or seek him (Psalms 14:2-3).

From the context, we learn that it is fools who choose not to seek God.

Psalms 14

1(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


It does not say that they were unable to seek God. It just says they chose not to.

 

[crossnote]

@Jackson123 (still waiting)...

"How much fruit do you need to produce until you are saved"?

 

[ForestGreenCook]

From the context, we learn that it is fools who choose not to seek God.

Psalms 14

1(To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.) The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.


It does not say that they were unable to seek God. It just says they chose not to.

So tell me how those that have not done anything good, and believes that there is no God, will choose to seek God?

1 Cor 2:14 says that they cannot understand spiritual things, and thinks them to be foolishness.

 

[oyster67]

So tell me how those that have not done anything good, and believes that there is no God, will choose to seek God?

Romans 1:21
“Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.”


Romans 1:20
“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”

1 Cor 2:14 says that they cannot understand spiritual things, and thinks them to be foolishness.

1 Corinthians 2:14
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”

They are foolishness to him because he has refused to receive them. They became vain in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened. Try not to put the cart before the horse. Do not defecate upon the graciousness of God any longer. He gave His Son that none should perish. Stop teaching otherwise. You have been warned.

Your teaching is not an alternate interpretation.
It is pure blasphemy.

 

[LoveBrokeThru]

“Faith belief. are gifts of God.”

Actually, Jesus is the Gift.

And Faith is your responsibility, as God requires it of you.
He does not cause it for you, as if He did that, He would not require that you BELIEVE.