So you do believe Noah don’t need to build an ark to make them die faster and go to heaven
The offer of Salvation is universal, but the application is only : "by Faith".
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Or did it?
1 Peter 3:20-22 KJV
20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: 22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.
It is true that the Church is predestined and elect, but it is also true that one must choose to follow Jesus before one becomes a member of the Church.
Yes, it is true.
It is always true that the Church is predestined and elected. Very simple and straightforward and logically consistent.
what are your your Biblical reasons for this? Please don’t suddenly get silent as so many do when asked for Biblical proof. Do give this question attention asap.
Yes, it is true.
It is always true that the Church is predestined and elected. Very simple and straightforward and logically consistent.
That isn’t predestination then. That’s a choice and then being slotted into the predestination category. That’s callled a self-fulfilling prophecy. Nothing logical or consistent with the body of scripture concerning that.
please tell me how it works.
John 6:37 - The Father gave Jesus a select number of people. Jesus paid the adoption price for all of them, and secured a home in heaven for them, not losing any of them.
Matt 22:14 - The many called includes all of those that Jesus died for. The few that are chosen, are a few chosen out of the many caiied, that the Holy Spirit reveals the truths contained in the doctrine that Jesus taught.
This truth also is explained further by the scriptures contained in the 10th chapter of Ezekiel. The total sum of the called is represented in the larger outer wheel. They represent the invisible church (the kingdom of God) that has not been revealed the truths contained in the doctrine that Jesus taught. They are considered, as "babes in Christ' and feed upon the milk of the word. The basis of their understanding is in the letter of the old law of Moses. Isaiah 28;9-10 - Whom shall he teach doctrine? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
The few that are chosen to be revealed the truths that are contained in the doctrine that Jesus taught, are also known as "the remnant", (Isaiah 10:20-22) (Rom 11) "the little flock" (Luke 12:32) "the few" (Matt 7:14.).
So they’re called which is being chosen and then not chosen. If someone called you would you think you were chosen?
Interesting commentary and I will take time to consider that.
God predated Calvinism!
God's words did too.
But have you noticed? Referring to scriptures like you post there will inevitably lead to someone accusing, Calvinism! As if that is a curse word or slur that is meant to imply the person is not really a Christian.
Even if someone is a Calvinist, and I'm not but certain dark souls still lie about that, your doctrine is gleaned from the scripture.
God is sovereign, and omnipotent, and has predestined the things of the world.
Sophistry insists God is amenable to human will that he allows to overcome his because life unfolds day to day and God is not in control of it. He's just the umpire that dapps his will around, like ink on a bingo card, when he feels like it.
And if we don't concur, we're called names. Denominational names!
Youuuuuu Presbyterian you!
Methodist! Methhhhodissst!
points accusingly
It is. the Church is predestined for Heaven (not the world). We decide which group to belong to... those predestined for heaven or those who opt out. No one is predestined Until they give their lives to Jesus....
John 10
26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
We must not forget that God has foreknowledge and knows who will choose to follow His Son.
Exactly. And this is logical and consistent with the rest of Scripture.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Nah I’m not touching that with any length of pole. Just happy to be saved.
God predated Calvinism!
God's words did too.
But have you noticed? Referring to scriptures like you post there will inevitably lead to someone accusing, Calvinism! As if that is a curse word or slur that is meant to imply the person is not really a Christian.
Even if someone is a Calvinist, and I'm not but certain dark souls still lie about that, your doctrine is gleaned from the scripture.
God is sovereign, and omnipotent, and has predestined the things of the world.
Sophistry insists God is amenable to human will that he allows to overcome his because life unfolds day to day and God is not in control of it. He's just the umpire that dapps his will around, like ink on a bingo card, when he feels like it.
And if we don't concur, we're called names. Denominational names!
Youuuuuu Presbyterian you!
Methodist! Methhhhodissst!
When people ask if you’re a Calvinist it’s probably because you espouse Calvinist doctrines.
The most efficient way to enquire about that is to just directly ask. Reading through your comment history you have decided to dodge that question repeatedly from various members. Clearly people sense Calvinism as well as myself. Calling yourself a Bible-ist isn’t accurate.
You can be a Calvinist here so don’t feel like you are losing standing by dodging questions. It just helps everyone have a better idea of how to approach you theologically if you are just plainly honest.
There is no such thing as blasphemy against a human. You can blaspheme God, but not a human. Her comment wasn’t even an insult.
Yes, their faith literally resulted to the building of the ark. What is counted is their faith. Hebrews 11:7 says exactly the same thing.
You should be ashamed.
You've no understanding of the meaning of blasphemy.
Sarah was special to God and was named by him to be mother of nations.
Someone who blasphemes God's appointed to that end, and insults her with such vulgar words as they did, isn't defensible.They're contemptible.
Because they hold Sarah in contempt with their hate filled slurs. When they unapologetically hold the Mother of Nations in contempt they hold the Bible in contempt.And that's holding God in contempt.
You may have noticed there are more than one like that here. I'm new and I can't miss it.
While some defend them. And even presume to speak for them. As if they weren't speaking as themselves before when they showed that contempt.
That's indefensible. No matter your allegiance or relationship to them.
They meant to insult Sarah. And they did. And then avoided responsibility.
Now you're attempting to excuse their offense when they didn't even do that.
They stood by it by avoiding responsibility when confronted. Which means they full well meant every word.
As did I when I rebuked their act.
Don't attempt to chastise me for being intolerant of such a one as that.
Someone can read their slur and see what they said of Sarah, who any true Bible student knows was barren.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Or what you're defending.
I won't discuss this with you further.
So why did you challenge (in post #183) this statement of mine (in post #180)?...
We’re saved by the Person of Jesus Christ through faith in His death and resurrection…not His teachings.
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. (2Ti 3:15)
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. (Isa 28:10-13)