The hadron collider

[tourist]

Whatever may be proved would probably be understood by me.

Actually, not understood.

Don't have a clue.

 

[JohnDB]

I understand nothing about what is going on with CERN. That organization actually started in 1954 but years later the collider was built. Supposedly, the birthplace of the internet was started by CERN as a means for scientists and physicists to collaborate their ideas and findings. No, Al Gore did not invent the internet.

Internet was started at IBM...the whole packetizing of data and transmitting them between computers... these packetizing systems were funded by public research grants. Possibly the folks at CERN were involved in some fashion...dunno about that. But it was the late 60's or early 70's when all that was going on.. My father was working at Hewlett Packard at the time on the prototype line and was instrumental in developing the first sandwich sized hard drives. Somewhat of a miracle as he was not an engineer....but he liked race cars and he alone figured out why they were having head crashes.
Thus solving their problem and a full production line was created to mass produce them.
They had just solved a lot of problems with the space race to the moon. The engineers were very well paid but they also never saw home.

When you live in and around this stuff...it gets put in perspective...

 

[posthuman]

Not really edge lords. More like holy warriors waging combat against the vile infidels.

Basically they get off on blasting people they think are wrong. And they feel all self-righteous about doing it.

The best thing to do in a conversation with one, is just anything else. Go read a book, play a video game, pet the dog, make chocolate chip cookies, anything except continuing to argue with a modern day pharisee.

having a bit of training myself, i gotta tell y'all it does feel good to swing a sword. something really viscerally satisfying about it.
however having mentioned the training bit -- the truth is that it's even more important to know how to parry than it is to strike. anyone can swing a club; it shows skill to block or avoid being hit by one.

mark me as +1 vote for the petting the dog & making the chocolate chip cookies

 

[apwall21]

I appreciate the kind words
There are a few edge Lords here who just want to be contrary but there are a few reasonable people here

The narrow path does walk on the edge of a bunch of pits full of filth.
The wide path just meanders into and stays in filth.
I'll take that kind of edge, any day.

 

[Lynx]

The narrow path does walk on the edge of a bunch of pits full of filth.
The wide path just meanders into and stays in filth.
I'll take that kind of edge, any day.

Funny thing about that edge though... People fall off on both sides.

That's not what is odd. (A narrow way is easy to fall off.) What is downright peculiar is how the people who fall off on each side look down on the people who fall off on the other side.

As odd as that is, there's something even more bizarre: The people who fell off on one side know they fell off, but the people who fell off on the other side swear blind they have not fallen off at all. In fact they think they are still on the path and they claim everybody who really is on the path has fallen off.

 

[Gideon300]

Whatever may be proved would probably be understood by me.

That's not the point. I'm all for fusion research because it will (hopefully) produce something worthwhile. The reality or not of Higgs-Bosun particles is useless research, at a huge cost in time, people and resources.

 

[Lynx]

That's not the point. I'm all for fusion research because it will (hopefully) produce something worthwhile. The reality or not of Higgs-Bosun particles is useless research, at a huge cost in time, people and resources.

Wait, haven't we heard this before about... well... a LOT of research? I'm pretty sure I've heard this before somewhere. A lot. Over and over.

 

[Lynx]

Mind you, I'm not saying if we DO find old Higgy that it will be of any use at all. I have no idea if it will.

I'm just saying you also have no idea if it will, and there's a good chance it will be very useful indeed.

 

[shittim]

found 10 years ago-
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/tech...ant-get-enough-of-the-god-particle/ar-AAZaRIU

 

[apwall21]

What is downright peculiar is how the people who fall off on each side look down on the people who fall off on the other side.

Do they? Seems to me that often gets taught by Satan, as a way of making my sins seem less like a problem, and more like a social disease that can be cured by avoiding certain people who would warn me that I'm wrong-headed. One of Satan's favorite games is to get the Church speaking ill of other members in the sight of the lost.
What I'd like to know is if, when you're about to back your car into another parked car in the lot, if you want your neighbor to start his instructions by telling you "that he loves your car, thinks it's really spiffy, had one just like it, the shine makes it gleam so like a still water lake, and the curves remind him of an aeroplane, which is fitting because it used to drive really fast and looked great" until you just backed it into the car you didn't see in your blindspot, because the simple warning that needed to be shouted clearly, was muffled by a bunch of attempts to comfort you, the car owner that "you really are a good driver, and you've driven so many miles to this point without wrecking, so clearly this warning is unneeded except for this minor inconvenience which we wouldn't even speak of, except we concern ourselves with the car, because we know how much it costs to buy, and we certainly can't afford that much so..."

Or, "Stop! There's a car!"

 

[Eli1]

Do they? Seems to me that often gets taught by Satan, as a way of making my sins seem less like a problem, and more like a social disease that can be cured by avoiding certain people who would warn me that I'm wrong-headed. One of Satan's favorite games is to get the Church speaking ill of other members in the sight of the lost.
What I'd like to know is if, when you're about to back your car into another parked car in the lot, if you want your neighbor to start his instructions by telling you "that he loves your car, thinks it's really spiffy, had one just like it, the shine makes it gleam so like a still water lake, and the curves remind him of an aeroplane, which is fitting because it used to drive really fast and looked great" until you just backed it into the car you didn't see in your blindspot, because the simple warning that needed to be shouted clearly, was muffled by a bunch of attempts to comfort you, the car owner that "you really are a good driver, and you've driven so many miles to this point without wrecking, so clearly this warning is unneeded except for this minor inconvenience which we wouldn't even speak of, except we concern ourselves with the car, because we know how much it costs to buy, and we certainly can't afford that much so..."

Or, "Stop! There's a car!"

Dear friend I saw that you’re dealing with a lot too and I did light a candle for you.
‘Please know that even those who have hardened hearts and are emotionless and judgmental may have their own issues too for attacking someone for no reason.
God bless you.

In other news related to this topic I find it fascinating that the Delayed Choice Quantum Experiment can give us a hint of how Time works on Heaven or higher realms. The experiment shows that the future can affect the past. This is baffling according to how we perceive reality. But as I mentioned, we don’t see 96% of the universe either.
So Time, in these dimensions may be a location as opposed to a flowing river that we perceive it now.
So when someone asks you “when you were born” the answer is “I’m always born”. And if they ask you “when did you die” … you‘re always dead.

 

[shittim]

To me this ties in with how linear time seems to be a construct created just for we, His Creation and is an illusion.

 

[Lynx]

Do they? Seems to me that often gets taught by Satan, as a way of making my sins seem less like a problem, and more like a social disease that can be cured by avoiding certain people who would warn me that I'm wrong-headed. One of Satan's favorite games is to get the Church speaking ill of other members in the sight of the lost.
What I'd like to know is if, when you're about to back your car into another parked car in the lot, if you want your neighbor to start his instructions by telling you "that he loves your car, thinks it's really spiffy, had one just like it, the shine makes it gleam so like a still water lake, and the curves remind him of an aeroplane, which is fitting because it used to drive really fast and looked great" until you just backed it into the car you didn't see in your blindspot, because the simple warning that needed to be shouted clearly, was muffled by a bunch of attempts to comfort you, the car owner that "you really are a good driver, and you've driven so many miles to this point without wrecking, so clearly this warning is unneeded except for this minor inconvenience which we wouldn't even speak of, except we concern ourselves with the car, because we know how much it costs to buy, and we certainly can't afford that much so..."

Or, "Stop! There's a car!"

That is a nice analogy, but it does not excuse the rudeness some people seem to enjoy. It is possible to witness to the lost and even condemn sin without insulting people.

I know because many in my family and my church do it, successfully, without insulting people. I have living proof that it can be done without turning into a pharisee.

 

[apwall21]

it can be done without turning into a pharisee.

What a wasted phrase by the Western and US church, now that we're actually confronted with Pharisees in the modern "Jewish Synagogue." The very Pharisees that Jesus called hypocrite, literally exist as the rulers of Israel, and as all those bestie friendie "jews" that certain Christians mistake as saved, thanks to Mossad paying its way into US churches.

Why tell you? Because Jesus wants you Holy like God, and Mossad dwells on a philosophical religious underpinning that, explicitly, orders "Jews" to kill you, because you're an Idolator like Jesus.

There are times and places to play. My time to play around with this world is quickly ending (should be over, frankly) and if I am to do anything with what little I know about holiness from the scripture, and from previous experiences, I have to confront falsehoods that create filth and kill, where they arise. "Friendly feeling" or not.

Shortness and differences of language ought to be expected. There are times where I'm trying not to burn my kitchen down, and trying to express some point of conflict on sin with the world, which some have taken into the church to the harm of the image of Jesus, but more importantly to the harm of those who are lost.

 

[Lynx]

What a wasted phrase by the Western and US church, now that we're actually confronted with Pharisees in the modern "Jewish Synagogue." The very Pharisees that Jesus called hypocrite, literally exist as the rulers of Israel, and as all those bestie friendie "jews" that certain Christians mistake as saved, thanks to Mossad paying its way into US churches.

Why tell you? Because Jesus wants you Holy like God, and Mossad dwells on a philosophical religious underpinning that, explicitly, orders "Jews" to kill you, because you're an Idolator like Jesus.

There are times and places to play. My time to play around with this world is quickly ending (should be over, frankly) and if I am to do anything with what little I know about holiness from the scripture, and from previous experiences, I have to confront falsehoods that create filth and kill, where they arise. "Friendly feeling" or not.

Shortness and differences of language ought to be expected. There are times where I'm trying not to burn my kitchen down, and trying to express some point of conflict on sin with the world, which some have taken into the church to the harm of the image of Jesus, but more importantly to the harm of those who are lost.

If your holy war kills all the prisoners of war you claim you are trying to rescue...

Oh forget it. Have fun being elitist. I know how good it can feel.

 

[apwall21]

In other news related to this topic I find it fascinating that the Delayed Choice Quantum Experiment

Never understood the slit experiment theory. Since one can never observe the condition without disruption, how do they prove it exists otherwise, again? I'm gonna have to go back and review all that stuff, I stopped trying to make sense of it.
It seems like they always have to take for granted that they see it after it moved, instead of the more reasonable, it's always been on those landing points after the filter, and then try to baffle with some BS that it really was different a second ago, before I viewed it...

 

[apwall21]

If your holy war kills all the prisoners of war you claim you are trying to rescue...

Oh forget it. Have fun being elitist. I know how good it can feel.

Are you saved? Then what's the problem?
If God gives me a word to give hard warning, or just makes me of a person to whom this is my native condition; am I unlike the people to whom I would be speaking so much that I am suddenly incomprehensible? If it is of God, it will get through, though we are told that the first instinct of man tends to be to hide. If it is not of God, it can't work anyway, and will be spotted as phony when exposed to the light.
Be that light, and it's not in question anymore, when you're there, it will show. But if you ask for a shading to save the feelings of the sinner, you ask him to be capable of staying in his sins and being with a Holy Jesus. One of those two has to flee, for conditions to sustain both of them.

 

[Eli1]

Never understood the slit experiment theory. Since one can never observe the condition without disruption, how do they prove it exists otherwise, again? I'm gonna have to go back and review all that stuff, I stopped trying to make sense of it.
It seems like they always have to take for granted that they see it after it moved, instead of the more reasonable, it's always been on those landing points after the filter, and then try to baffle with some BS that it really was different a second ago, before I viewed it...

The basis of this experiment goes like this.
The particles when not measured (or observed) go through two holes and leave a pattern of projectiles when they hit the wall.
‘But when observed, they leave a pattern like a wave (ripples on a pond) when they hit the wall.
‘This is the greatest mystery in quantum mechanism and why CERN exists because nobody knows why the particles change behavior when observed.
To make this baffling experiment even crazier the scientists added several mirror and measuring devices where they want to “confuse“ the particle by sending it to a longer direction and another one to a shorter direction. This is where things go even crazier. The one with the shorter path appear to ”talk” to the one with the longer path . This is where the term future-affecting-the-past comes into play.
‘This is also how they discovered quantum entanglement which means that an electron can be “paired” with another electron at the other side of the galaxy and you can communicate instantly bypassing the speed of light, the speed of the universe expanding and any other speed that we may not know yet.
‘This is basically a great mystery. It’s fun to look at all of this and marvel at His Creation.

 

[apwall21]

The basis of this experiment goes like this.
The particles when not measured (or observed) go through two holes and leave a pattern of projectiles when they hit the wall.
‘But when observed, they leave a pattern like a wave (ripples on a pond) when they hit the wall.
‘This is the greatest mystery in quantum mechanism and why CERN exists because nobody knows why the particles change behavior when observed.
.

it is cool to learn, and there are amazing things.

Frankly, I think it's junk science, and we're seeing the results of a fairly "simple" bit of lack of control. But it keeps people busy and playing in their labs, so I guess that's fine.

Nobody has refined the tools that are creating the photons themselves, so there is no real control over what the photons are doing as they spin out of the lasers, or what happens to the photons as they pass the various lenses and mirrors. We can "direct" them, but we don't actually fathom what is happening at the sub-atomic level of the atoms that are being excited in the laser in the first place, nor how they are being effected by the densities of the lenses. Our understanding of standing electrical fields is infantile, and nearly nobody makes efforts to ground all the equipment involved. And lets say they did, as we're dealing with sub-atomic particles, even if you grounded 1 side of a 3 inch board, the distance between the slit and the ground line would be universe huge compared to the size of the photon as particle, even though to us the discharge would be nearly instant. The photon, of course, would have been long gone before the reset of ground level.

Until that source, that lens, and those mirrors are a single layer of atoms, and they are bouncing and rotating in perfect harmony, and you can keep them in that condition while they expel, split, or reflect photons, there's gonna be forces at work from the directional differences of each photon, and any effect they have on gas between, or likely even each other in vacuum. I'd venture these interference patterns also shift quite routinely based on Hertz input to the emitters? Dunno, haven't spent time on it, because it looks like reasons to fund thought experiments, instead of tools in use.

Maybe, let's admit, there is a difference because we're observing, ok? But if we are factual, I can say that a 10pound chicken weighs 195 pounds when I stand on the scale with it, and this is also, obviously half-truth, as "being changed by the observer." But that's just what we have to accept with Quantum-Physics?

More likely there's a simple background energy shift from the creator of the experiment, the observer, and his tools.

Even more likely the double-slit problem has to do with the classical electrical/gravitational forces as they are influenced by an item with a hole in the center, vs two holes, and being charged by the passing photons and creating "standing waves" in the slit-board, which in turn "stabilize" the flight path of the "photon" into "discernable" patterns.

 

[cv5]

The Higgs boson was first theorized in the 1960s, and officially confirmed to exist in 2013

Nah.......the Higgs boson is bogus. Does not exist. Same goes for "photons" and "electrons".

Find out how they discovered this thing.......quite absurd really. They theorized a range of electron volts where a particle should exist (125-127 Gev/c2) and presto they found one.

Anyhoo......an electron is a unit of charge. It is used for calculation purposes in equations. J.J. Thomson (who "discovered" them) stated clearly they did not exist.

BTW.....there are no electron particles traveling through wires ROFL Conducting wires are reflector waveguides nothing more nothing less. The aether field perturbation travels on the outside of the wires. To understand legit electrical theory read Charles Proteus Steinmetz. When he talked about "stirring up the aether" he knew exactly what he was talking about.

And astronomers to not open purge valves to drain the photons from their telescopes. The whole concept of particles is truly absurd.

Gravity is nothing more than non-point source dielectric acceleration. It is precisely the same thing as magnetism. The entire physical universe is predicated upon magnetism. Magnetism is the one and only force. Everything else is a derivative. They're looking for unified force and that is it. It is not mediated by particles it has nothing to do with particles there are no particles.

Standard model physics is a disaster at this point. Probably by design. I don't think God is allowing fallen depraved humans to understand the real nature of the creation.

You might want to study something known as "counterspace". Be prepared for a "shock".

Practically all standard model theory is absurdly incorrect. For example......all stars, solar systems and galaxies are rapidly formed by Z-pinch plasma phenomenon. Gravity and dust theores are preposterous. All stars are electric phenomenon not nuclear furnaces. Observational evidence is overwhelmingly conclusive on this matter.

Sorry for the rambling.......its a big topic.