Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

[Runningman]

Here is the claim that you are making.

The word, 'works', shown in the verse below.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Should be read as the 'legal works' in the law of Moses. That is, 'legal works' applies only to the ordinances and not the ten commandments within the law.

There can be no doubt, what so ever, that you are interpretating Ephesians 2:8, that is why you changed that word, 'works'.

Now here is the contextual evidence that you are claiming, will support your replacement of that word, 'works, in Ephesians 2:8. To the phrase, 'legal works'.

Ephesians 2:15 (NET)
When he nullified in his flesh the law of commandments in decrees. He did this to create in himself one new man out of two, thus making peace.

The NET translation will not allow that change from 'works' to 'legal works'. The NET translation says that the 'law of commandments' has been nullified.

In conclusion, your claim that the context of Ephesians chapter two, i.e., one clause in one verse of Ephesians 2:15. Is not actually the context that changes that word, 'works', in Ephesians 2:8 to 'legal works'. Because your alteration, i.e., works to legal works, is translation specific. Your alteration of Ephesians 2:8, will only work with certain translations. Even then, it is a dangerous stretch to alter what Paul clearly wrote in Ephesians 2:8.

No alteration is required. The words in Ephesians 2 are good enough. There are two kinds of works which are works required to fulfill the law, also known as works of the law, and there are good works. Good works are things like being a Good Samaritan or feeding hungry people.

The kind of works Ephesians 2 is saying that don’t save you are works of the law which is clear in verses 11-18.

Even if you just look at verses 8-10 it tells you the works that are required.


Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Plainly, you aren’t saved by works of the law, but you were created for good works and God ordained it so the good works are a requirement and the law keeping works are not a requirement. I don’t have any better explanation on it so just consider it and see if that fits with your convictions.

 

[Jackson123]

No alteration is required. The words in Ephesians 2 are good enough. There are two kinds of works which are works required to fulfill the law, also known as works of the law, and there are good works. Good works are things like being a Good Samaritan or feeding hungry people.

The kind of works Ephesians 2 is saying that don’t save you are works of the law which is clear in verses 11-18.

Even if you just look at verses 8-10 it tells you the works that are required.


Ephesians 2:8-10 KJV
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Plainly, you aren’t saved by works of the law, but you were created for good works and God ordained it so the good works are a requirement and the law keeping works are not a requirement. I don’t have any better explanation on it so just consider it and see if that fits with your convictions.

Good work

created into good work

it is Matt 25

that is why people that don’t help the poor go to hell

 

[Goliath]

Please be CLEAR about what you think I am rejecting. I resent that.

Have you ever thought, maybe your resentment comes from a Conviction of the Holy Spirit, when you hear the Truth?

So, I'm waiting for your explanation of what I am rejecting in the Bible. If you use my quotes, then add the post # as well. For all to see.

Better than that, let's start a new record, "For all to see."

Do you believe what Jesus taught in (John 8), that Those who sin..do not have Eternal Life?
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
(John 8:34-35)

Do you believe the Salvation teachings of Paul, where in (Romans 2), he taught the reward for those who do Good Works, will be....Eternal Life?
God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
(Romans 2:6-7)

Do you believe what John taught in (1 John 3:9), where he taught those who are born of God do not sin?
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not do what is righteous, is not of God, neither is he that does not love his brother.
(1 John 3:9-10)

Need I continue?

 

[posthuman]

Do you believe what Jesus taught in (John 8), that Those who sin..do not have Eternal Life?
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
(John 8:34-35)

do you believe what Jesus said next?

Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
(John 8:36)
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Do you believe the Salvation teachings of Paul, where in (Romans 2), he taught the reward for those who do Good Works, will be....Eternal Life?
God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
(Romans 2:6-7)

do you believe what Paul said next?

What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.​

As it is written:​

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“There is none righteous, no, not one;
There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”
"Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”
“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
Destruction and misery are in their ways;
And the way of peace they have not known.”
“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”​

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.​

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But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.
(Romans 3:9-28)​

 

[posthuman]

Do you believe what John taught in (1 John 3:9), where he taught those who are born of God do not sin?
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not do what is righteous, is not of God, neither is he that does not love his brother.
(1 John 3:9-10)

if you believe Christ and Paul His apostle, then what do you believe John means by saying the one who is born of God cannot continue to sin, make a practice of sinning - cannot go on in sin - because the seed God planted in him remains in him?

did you cause yourself to be born?
do we make ourselves sons?
do we adopt a father or does The Father adopt us?
if God makes us His sons - if The Son sets us free - whose work is it?
are we made free because we have set ourselves free by our own will and effort?
or is Paul correct:

for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure
(Philippians 2:13)
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brother if the whole NT is true, that i am saved through faith, not through works, and in this faith i am depending on God to work in me both to will and to do --
then what are we talking about here?
salvation through my own self-determination?
or salvation through God supernaturally changing me, sanctifying me and renewing me into His will?

if so what does it depend on?
my effort?
or my faith in God's effort?

He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
(Romans 9:16)
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you took one verse from Romans 2 -- if you read the rest of Romans, do you really think Paul is teaching salvation through reward of good works? or salvation in the mercy of God, by grace through faith? is your one verse from the prologue to his argument fairly representing his message to us?
Romans is a long book! a complex, careful argument -- not a bumper sticker!

in the snippet you quoted, Paul is telling us there is no partiality with God - that being a Jew doesn't mean automatic salvation ((the same argument Christ is having with the pharisees in John 8 btw)). and Paul goes on saying that yes, God rewards those who do good, whether they are Jew or Gentile - and also no one is good! ((as Christ also says!)) no one but God alone!
therefore in good works no one has hope; all have sinned, all fall short - as John also says, if we say we are without sin, we are liars and God's seed ((the Truth)) does not abide in us.
so Paul builds on this and declares to us how that throughout scripture God has rewarded faith - to both Jew and Gentile alike, apart from the law, apart from works. and this is salvation: that we put our trust in Him, in what He did to save us. He took all our failing and bore the reproach for them, He gave His blood to atone for us. and He rose again, so that believing in Him, we may also rise with Him, for He will return and raise us up just as He now is raising up our hearts.

my good works are not my own, but God's work in me.
salvation by works?? by God's own works!
therefore i will cast any crown i receive at His feet; it is He who earns it living in me, not me myself -- and i will continue on looking for and rejoicing in His mercy, an unworthy servant who only strove to do his duty, not expecting reward

 

[Runningman]

I might add that John defines sin as a transgression of the Law.

1 John 3:4 KJV
4Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

By "Law" I believe John was referring to the Law of Moses and the 600+ commandments. Now it's simply a question of whether or not all or some of the Law of Moses is applicable to Christians.

Paul said this:

Romans 2:12 KJV
12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Which basically supports the idea that everyone will stand condemned before God if judged by the metric of the Law of Moses. If you're under the Law and sin then you're condemned. If you're not under the Law and sin then you perish.

Really it's necessary to read much more of the Bible to get a sense of the train of thought and theology they're teaching. Long story short is that Christians are not under the Law of Moses, but under grace accessed through faith in Christ.

Romans 5:1,2 KJV
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Romans 6:14 KJV
14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

do you believe what Jesus said next?

Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.​

(John 8:36)​

​

do you believe what Paul said next?

What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.​

As it is written:​

​

“There is none righteous, no, not one;​

There is none who understands;​

There is none who seeks after God.​

They have all turned aside;​

They have together become unprofitable;​

There is none who does good, no, not one.”​

"Their throat is an open tomb;​

With their tongues they have practiced deceit”;​

“The poison of asps is under their lips”;​

“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”​

“Their feet are swift to shed blood;​

Destruction and misery are in their ways;​

And the way of peace they have not known.”​

“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”​

Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.​

​

But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.​

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. ​

(Romans 3:9-28)​

Posthuman,
Thank you for reminding us of the importance of reading whole chapters, sections or books.
We sometimes (most of us I think) tend to focus on single verses. But they often spring to life more when read in context.

 

[mailmandan]

Ephesians 2:10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are saved FOR good works and NOT BY good works. (Ephesians 2:8-10)

If you were created to do good works and you refuse to do them then are you serving your master?

Refuse to do good works altogether? That is not descriptive of someone who is born of God. All genuine believers are fruitful, yet not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23)

Jesus said many things about those who are not profitable such as in the parable of the talents in Matthew 25:14-30.

Mat 25:30 And throw the worthless slave into the outer darkness—in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth!'

In regards to the parable of the unprofitable servant, the talents represent monetary value and are distributed according to ability (Matthew 25:15). The requirement is to invest in Christ. The first two servants deposited their money with the bankers (Matthew 25:27) but the third servant buried his money in the ground (vs. 25). The third servant had been given abilities and the opportunity to believe and bear fruit in accordance, but had chosen to reject it.

The fact that the latter man in this parable is called wicked and slothful and an unprofitable servant (Matthew 25:30) who is cast out into outer darkness, certainly indicates that he was not a true disciple of the master. The idea of this illustrative parable is that all true believers will produce fruit in varying degrees. Again, all genuine believers are fruitful, but not all are equally fruitful (Matthew 13:23). Those who produce no results at all are not truly converted. Faith without works is dead. (James 2:14-24)

This man's characterization of the master maligns him as "reaping and gathering" what he had no right to claim as his own. This slothful so-called servant does not represent a genuine believer. It's obvious that this man had no true knowledge of the master. Two of these servants were children of God, but not the third. Children of God are not cast out into outer darkness. The fact that this man is called a "servant" does not necessarily mean that he was saved.

Isaiah 43:10 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, And My servant whom I have chosen..

In Leviticus 25:55, we read - For the children of Israel are servants to Me; they are My servants whom I brought out of the land of Egypt. Jude 1:5 - Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord at one time delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe.

Also, in Nehemiah 1:6, we read - please let Your ear be attentive and Your eyes open, that You may hear the prayer of Your servant which I pray before You now, day and night, for the children of Israel Your servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel which we have sinned against You. Both my father’s house and I have sinned.

 

[Runningman]

Posthuman,
Thank you for reminding us of the importance of reading whole chapters, sections or books.
We sometimes (most of us I think) tend to focus on single verses. But they often spring to life more when read in context.

I like to think of the Bible as something you can't just "drive by" and understand. People devote their life to understanding this book. New readings often produce new understandings and therefore we should always consider ourselves to be a student of the word.

 

[FreeGrace2]

i don’t think you honest
burned the land?

wrong it burn the tree

There is no "tree" in Heb 6:8.

rejected, cursed and burn mean heaven less reward

The issue in Her 6:8 is production FROM the land. "land" = believer. "thorns/thistles" = human production from one's human nature.

rejected cursed and burned in heaven?

You are simply not reading correctly. In 1 Cor 3:12-15 and Heb 6:8 the burning of human good occurs at the judgment, which is NOT in heaven. They never get to heaven.

you make mistake for 100 time to compare with corinthian

I'm accurate and you can't even defend your flawed views.

corinthian talking about builder

Sure. What does the builder build with? divine good or human good. Pay attention.

 

[FreeGrace2]

FreeGrace2 said:
Please be CLEAR about what you think I am rejecting. I resent that.

Have you ever thought, maybe your resentment comes from a Conviction of the Holy Spirit, when you hear the Truth?

Quit deflecting and just ANSWER my question, if your claim is really legitimate.

Better than that, let's start a new record, "For all to see."

Stop. ANSWER my question, since YOU made the stupid claim.

Do you believe what Jesus taught in (John 8), that Those who sin..do not have Eternal Life?
Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.
(John 8:34-35)

If anyone who sins does not have eternal life, then NO ONE will go to heaven. Obviously you didn't bother reading the whole context for the cherry picked verses you quoted.

Why not begin with John 8:24 - I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.” How does this verse harmonize with your loaded question? It doesn't. So it is YOUR question that is bogus.

Do you believe the Salvation teachings of Paul, where in (Romans 2), he taught the reward for those who do Good Works, will be....Eternal Life?
God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
(Romans 2:6-7)

Once again you demonstrate your failure to consider all that Paul wrote. If you think that any human being, except Jesus, is able to fulfil Rom 2:6-8, you couldn't be more wrong. In fact, Paul wrote that to PROVE that humans are UNABLE to earn eternal life. He was saying that only those who are perfect (persistence in doing good) could earn eternal life,

You need to read Rom 3:9,10, 20, 23. All these verses refute your ideas.

Do you believe what John taught in (1 John 3:9), where he taught those who are born of God do not sin?
Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. By this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not do what is righteous, is not of God, neither is he that does not love his brother.
(1 John 3:9-10)

What John is teaching here is that no one sins from their NEW nature, the born AGAIN nature, the REgenerated nature. iow, the human spirit, where the Holy Spiriti resides. It is IMPOSSIBLE to sin from that nature.

All sin comes from the human nature, the nature everyone is born with. No exceptions.

Need I continue?

I don't see why. I've already completely refuted your wrong ideas by explaining all the verses you "thought" would refute me.

 

[Jackson123]

There is no "tree" in Heb 6:8.


The issue in Her 6:8 is production FROM the land. "land" = believer. "thorns/thistles" = human production from one's human nature.


You are simply not reading correctly. In 1 Cor 3:12-15 and Heb 6:8 the burning of human good occurs at the judgment, which is NOT in heaven. They never get to heaven.


I'm accurate and you can't even defend your flawed views.


Sure. What does the builder build with? divine good or human good. Pay attention.

No tree? Where thorn from?

builder not into fire, through

branch in John 15 and Matt 25 cast into fire/hell
,

 

[Jackson123]

Faith in Jesus mean trust in Jesus

people call it invite Jesus into our heart

to let Jesus drive us

mean have fellowship with jesus

how people teach it is possible to have faith but don’t have fellowship with Jesus?

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Free Grace said:
Please share any verse that clearly shows that these works save our souls.

Read 2:18. And the quote marks are two sentences, not one, as all the English translations show. The point about works or deeds, is that the ONLY WAY to demonstrate your faith to others is by your works/deeds.

A "dead faith" isn't a non saving faith as very poorly prepared pastors preach. A dead faith is a faith without evidence, so that no one can see their faith. James addressed his audience as SAVED people. Why would he be telling his SAVED audience that faith without works doesn't save. What it doesn't do is demonstrate one's faith.

A poor exegesis. Read 2:14: "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?" The rhetorical question (to which the answer, from the context, is a clear no) shows it definitely is about salvation. Not everyone in the audience was saved.

Again, 2:18 explains the whole point that James was making. In order for others to SEE your faith, you must have works/deeds.

Works definitely do show that a person has Faith, but they do more than that. Works contribute to ongoing sanctification, which is an increase in the Grace received in Justification. This is how Abraham increased in righteousness by his Good Works added to Faith: "21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?"

Without Good Works, your Faith is imperfect. If you add Good Works to Faith, as the Bible clearly teaches, your Faith is perfect. What was God testing when He asked Abraham to sacrifice his son? His love of God. Faith is the Foundation, but Love and Good Works makes one's Faith Perfect. That's why Good Works, and Love, will be Highly Rewarded in Heaven.

God Bless.

 

[FreeGrace2]

No tree? Where thorn from?

7 Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God.
8 But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

Was that helpful?

builder not into fire, through

Nope, Just his works.

branch in John 15 and Matt 25 cast into fire/hell
,

Wrong. And no excuse either. You've been given a full explanation of both passages.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The rhetorical question (to which the answer, from the context, is a clear no) shows it definitely is about salvation. Not everyone in the audience was saved.

As long as everyone is clear that salvation is by grace through faith -- apart from works -- but good works must follow genuine saving faith. And that is precisely what James is telling us.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Faith in Jesus mean trust in Jesus

Correct.

people call it invite Jesus into our heart

This is unbiblical. There are NO verses that say this. No one should ever use this unbiblical phrase.

to let Jesus drive us

Jesus doesn'tr drive anyone. Another very unbiblical saying.

mean have fellowship with jesus

Unbiblical phrases have NO meaning at all.

how people teach it is possible to have faith but don’t have fellowship with Jesus?

Because they are different.

In a marriage, the union is permanent in God's eyes, but harmony between the spouses is fellowship.

Lack of harmony because one spouse offends the other means NO fellowship between them. The marriage is intact, but fellowship is lost.

Can you understand this?

 

[Jackson123]

A poor exegesis. Read 2:14: "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?" The rhetorical question (to which the answer, from the context, is a clear no) shows it definitely is about salvation. Not everyone in the audience was saved.



Works definitely do show that a person has Faith, but they do more than that. Works contribute to ongoing sanctification, which is an increase in the Grace received in Justification. This is how Abraham increased in righteousness by his Good Works added to Faith: "21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?"

Without Good Works, your Faith is imperfect. If you add Good Works to Faith, as the Bible clearly teaches, your Faith is perfect. What was God testing when He asked Abraham to sacrifice his son? His love of God. Faith is the Foundation, but Love and Good Works makes one's Faith Perfect. That's why Good Works, and Love, will be Highly Rewarded in Heaven.

God Bless.

Hell matt 7
matt 25
in Matt 25 Jesus state not helping poor go to eternal fire or hell, not only heaven with less reward

people try to change the Word to make it easy

go to Christian Muslim debate it eye opening

muslim accused Christian crazy religion, only need to have faith for a second than free to rob the bank and still go to heaven
you salvation is seal no matter what you do

once save always save

the problem is they are wrong that is not what Bible say

 

[FreeGrace2]

Free Grace said:
Please share any verse that clearly shows that these works save our souls.

Read 2:18. And the quote marks are two sentences, not one, as all the English translations show. The point about works or deeds, is that the ONLY WAY to demonstrate your faith to others is by your works/deeds.

A "dead faith" isn't a non saving faith as very poorly prepared pastors preach. A dead faith is a faith without evidence, so that no one can see their faith. James addressed his audience as SAVED people. Why would he be telling his SAVED audience that faith without works doesn't save. What it doesn't do is demonstrate one's faith.

A poor exegesis.

Well, thank you for your opinion. Now, let's move on and see if you are able to prove your opinion.

Read 2:14: "What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?" The rhetorical question (to which the answer, from the context, is a clear no) shows it definitely is about salvation. Not everyone in the audience was saved.

Huh? So your opinion was simply to IGNORE v.18??? No dice. Deal with it.

[QUORTE]Works definitely do show that a person has Faith[/QUOTE]
Well, not really. There are many unsaved people who lead very moral lives. Yet have NO faith in Christ for salvation. In fact, most of these people think they will get to heaven based on their works. Like the Pharisees did.

Phil 3:6 - as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.

Pharisees thought their poop didn't stink.

Works contribute to ongoing sanctification

ONLY those works done in the power of the Holy Spirit. If a believer isn't filled with the Spirit, and grieving/quenching the Spirit, they are NOT producing works done in the power of the Spirit. All their own righteousnesses are like used menstrual rags to God, per Isa 64:6.

Without Good Works, your Faith is imperfect.

The Greek word for "perfect" can mean "complete" or "mature". The believer who produces divine good from the power of the Spirit has a mature faith.

If you add Good Works to Faith, as the Bible clearly teaches, your Faith is perfect.

Mature.

What was God testing when He asked Abraham to sacrifice his son? His love of God.

The test wasn't for Himself because God is omniscient. The test was for Abe and us.

Faith is the Foundation, but Love and Good Works makes one's Faith Perfect.

Mature.

That's why Good Works, and Love, will be Highly Rewarded in Heaven.

Absolutely. But good works do NOT conntribute anything to our salvation.

 

[Jackson123]

Correct.


This is unbiblical. There are NO verses that say this. No one should ever use this unbiblical phrase.


Jesus doesn'tr drive anyone. Another very unbiblical saying.


Unbiblical phrases have NO meaning at all.


Because they are different.

In a marriage, the union is permanent in God's eyes, but harmony between the spouses is fellowship.

Lack of harmony because one spouse offends the other means NO fellowship between them. The marriage is intact, but fellowship is lost.

Can you understand this?

Let us do simple logic
how you say trust Jesus if you don’t have fellowship with Him

i in you and you in me is very biblical terminology
john 14;20
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.”

you in me and I in you

definition of fellowship
1
friendly association, especially with people who share one's interests.
"they valued fun and good fellowship as the cement of the community"

Similar:
companionship


companionability

sociability


comradeship


fraternization

camaraderie


friendship


mutual support

mutual respect

mutual liking

amiability


amity


affability


geniality


kindliness


cordiality

intimacy


social intercourse

social contact

association


closeness


togetherness


solidarity


chumminess

palliness

clubbiness

mateyness

so you trust Jesus but not associate with Him

big nonsense