Did Jesus drink alcohol?

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Edify

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Old wine in those days was bitter because it was spoiled, improperly fermented, like communion juice when it gets too old.
New wine has very little alcohol, because it was properly fermented to make it keep.
There was no cooling in those days, so everything spoiled quickly.
 
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joecoten said:
Some people insist that what you put in your body can make you unclean, contrary to what the apostle Paul taught.
Nowhere does scripture say that one is to refrain from alcohol. It clearly teaches against drunkenness. I don't drink,
I want to know what the word says, not what I want it to say.
If one has a drinking problem...why? This should be the focus.
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Whether Jesus drank or not is a valid issue in the subject.
 
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Melach said:
Jesus did drink alcohol. just like most people back then. in the tanakh God tells israel spend this money on whatever you like, and lists wine and strong drink, if we take the wine to be non-alcoholic fruit juice then strong drink has to also be twisted to mean something else. what is strong drink? extra strong grape juice? its just so ridicilous and foolish to think that wine means juice. there is a word for juice and its not oinos. oinos means wine.
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I've thought of the very verse you mentioned about strong drink.
 
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Some say it's a sin to drink. Some don't understand scripture well. But that's just what I think.
 
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AndrewMorgan said:
The point Anderson was making was that the word translated "wine" ("oene") meant fruit juice rather than alcohol
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That is because in those days, they sometimes drank "new wine," that is wine that has not yet fermited, no alcohol, thus "fruit juice."
 
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AndrewMorgan said:
Whether Jesus drank or not is a valid issue in the subject.
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So, do YOU drink alcohol? If so, what kind and how much/often? Do you believe you are sinning in doing so? Do you drink to the point that you are drunk?

Why do you care what this person you quote says/thinks? Do you believe him to be some special messenger of Gods?

This is the second Thread you have authored that no matter what answer is given you, you continue to deflect the answers, and continue the argumentative spirit you are displaying.

Game playing much?
 
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I won't dignify your tirade with an answer. I want to interact with those who cordially want to discuss reasonably.
 
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p_rehbein said:
That being said, there is a huge difference between wine and "alcohol."
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Wine as we know it is usually about 12% alcohol by volume, but can vary between 10-14%.

Beer is around 5%. Port, Madeira, Sherry, Other Fortified Dessert Wines @ 17-21%.

Liquors such as Gin, Vodka, Whiskey, Scotch, Rum, Tequila & etc. run between 35-45% ABV.
 
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pottersclay said:
I was under the impression that wine needs to ferment. So if thats the case id say no but
then again if the wine had a chance to age....? Or possible there were 2 kinds of wine offered?
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I was under the impression that a miracle had taken place when Jesus turned the water to wine.

That would include the aging of the wine in many people's view.
 
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Bluesproverb said:
Remember too, the wedding at Cana. Just turned water stored in stone jars I to wine at his mother's request.

If drinking alcoholic beverages is a sin, Jesus contributed to sinners ability to
sin by making jars full of wine. Rather than leaving the people water to drink.
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The water Jesus turned into wine had been set aside for ritual cleaning.

Now six stone water jars had been set there for the Jewish rites
of purification. Each could hold from twenty to thirty gallons.

There is significance in this in that wine symbolizes the blood of Christ, which now cleanses us :)

I think it lovely, too, that this first recorded miracle takes place at a wedding, and the Bible
as a whole wraps up at the wedding supper/feast of the Lamb in the book of Revelation :D
 
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Magenta said:
The water Jesus turned into wine had been set aside for ritual cleaning.

Now six stone water jars had been set there for the Jewish rites
of purification. Each could hold from twenty to thirty gallons.

There is significance in this in that wine symbolizes the blood of Christ, which now cleanses us :)

I think it lovely, too, that this first recorded miracle takes place at a wedding, and the Bible
as a whole wraps up at the wedding supper/feast of the Lamb in the book of Revelation :D
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It was a very wealthy person's wedding too for there to be large tall stone jars filled with water . Because jars were typically made of clay and were smashed after their use usually.

For stone to be carved out to hold water, and have stone lids, would require the work of a stone mason after acquiring the massive slab of stone to carve.
 
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It's so easy to take plumbing for granted.
 
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Jesusfollower said:
Remember the first miracle of Jesus, turning water into wine at a wedding in Cana
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I always thought it was remarkable that Jesus thought "now that every one's buzzed let's bring out the good stuff".

Loljk!
 
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Bluesproverb said:
It was a very wealthy person's wedding too for there to be large tall stone jars filled with water . Because jars were typically made of clay and were smashed after their use usually.

For stone to be carved out to hold water, and have stone lids, would require the work of a stone mason after acquiring the massive slab of stone to carve.
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Yep....and the water used for the ceremonial handwashing was measured....the rubs of palms and backsides counted. They had extensive rules and requirements for handwashing.
Of course like normal jews they argued over the finer points of handwashing....

But Jesus didn't wash his hands at all.

People get so caught up in straining out the gnats they invariably swallow the camel.
 
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