Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?
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Again you can't dictate God's commandments. His prevails and is what I maintain. (period)
The Bible says what it says...and you deny it.
You can't use a unrelated reference in one section of the Bible to justify a meaning of another intended commandment in another section of the Bible. That is a pure attempt to change the Bible...which is prohibited.
Where did you get that mind set from?
I posted the references requiring baptism and you go get other sections of scriptures to try and support your interpretation and those are totally unrelated.
That makes no sense
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Not hardly. Use another hammer..that one doesn't work;
Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”
John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
If you want to participate n the baptism debate ...show your selected references concerning baptism...not unrelated references.
Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”
John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
If you want to participate n the baptism debate ...show your selected references concerning baptism...not unrelated references.
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Does start to seem like it. Before joining this forum, I didn't know that there were all these groups floundering around in their water pools
A verse fitting for that kind of behavior comes to mind. The one about not loving the truth and what happens when you don't. I think it gets as serious as can be when you try to substitute the blood of Christ for bathwater.
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Have you ever got past John in the NT? A person does not receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, or forgiveness of sin by following the laws and ordinances of Moses day. If that were possible, Jesus would not have had to die in our place and God would not have poured out His wrath on His Son instead of us.
Moses was not baptizing anyone. It is impossible for you or anyone else, to submit scripture that indicates Moses baptized people in the desert or anywhere else. Actually, God did NOT make Moses the intercessor. God desired to speak to the Israelites face to face but they would not; they were afraid, so Moses became the go between. I will agree that Moses did intercede for them from time to time however. Moses could not forgive anyone's sins though and in fact, did not enter the promised land because of his disobedience.
18When all the people witnessed the thunder and lightning, the sounding of the ram’s horn, and the mountain enveloped in smoke, they trembled and stood at a distance. 19“Speak to us yourself and we will listen,” they said to Moses. “But do not let God speak to us, or we will die.”
20“Do not be afraid,” Moses replied. “For God has come to test you, so that the fear of Him may be before you, to keep you from sinning.” 21And the people stood at a distance as Moses approached the thick darkness where God was. Exodus 20
What happens to those who place water baptism before the blood of Christ? What is acceptable to God; water or blood? Did God ever say that life is in the water or did He say that life was in the blood? Wakey do dah.
Moses was not baptizing anyone. It is impossible for you or anyone else, to submit scripture that indicates Moses baptized people in the desert or anywhere else. Actually, God did NOT make Moses the intercessor. God desired to speak to the Israelites face to face but they would not; they were afraid, so Moses became the go between. I will agree that Moses did intercede for them from time to time however. Moses could not forgive anyone's sins though and in fact, did not enter the promised land because of his disobedience.
18When all the people witnessed the thunder and lightning, the sounding of the ram’s horn, and the mountain enveloped in smoke, they trembled and stood at a distance. 19“Speak to us yourself and we will listen,” they said to Moses. “But do not let God speak to us, or we will die.”
20“Do not be afraid,” Moses replied. “For God has come to test you, so that the fear of Him may be before you, to keep you from sinning.” 21And the people stood at a distance as Moses approached the thick darkness where God was. Exodus 20
What happens to those who place water baptism before the blood of Christ? What is acceptable to God; water or blood? Did God ever say that life is in the water or did He say that life was in the blood? Wakey do dah.
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You are not sharing scripture. You are USING scripture, that you and your group have twisted and taken out of context, to try to proselytize and lure people from the truth.
This is a deceitful practice, but I guess the same was done to you. To be set free from this harmful practice of Jesus only baptism and water washes away sin (it washes dirt only) a person must confess they have believed a lie and then turn to the truth. If you are playing a game, you are playing with people's souls and God will hold you accountable.
God has not made a covenant with us with water; the covenant for salvation is made through the blood of Christ.
For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26:28
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. Acts 20:28
Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. I Peter 1: 18-19
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
We cannot approach God through water. As Jesus Himself stated, He is the only way to God the Father. That was made possible through His blood. Any other teaching is not biblical and is, in fact, heretical in nature.
As for wansvic's many untruths accusing people of not being able to respond to her Bible verses, it can plainly be seen that he/she whatever, is actually the one who cannot and will not respond to the truth presented in scripture, but rather continually charges it is others because wansvic cannot respond without acknowledging that water does not save anyone.
We are instructed to be baptized in water, but not for salvation, as has been explained with scripture, many times over in this thread and others that have been started for the purpose of attacking the truth.
This is a deceitful practice, but I guess the same was done to you. To be set free from this harmful practice of Jesus only baptism and water washes away sin (it washes dirt only) a person must confess they have believed a lie and then turn to the truth. If you are playing a game, you are playing with people's souls and God will hold you accountable.
God has not made a covenant with us with water; the covenant for salvation is made through the blood of Christ.
For this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Matthew 26:28
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. Acts 20:28
Knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. I Peter 1: 18-19
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6
We cannot approach God through water. As Jesus Himself stated, He is the only way to God the Father. That was made possible through His blood. Any other teaching is not biblical and is, in fact, heretical in nature.
As for wansvic's many untruths accusing people of not being able to respond to her Bible verses, it can plainly be seen that he/she whatever, is actually the one who cannot and will not respond to the truth presented in scripture, but rather continually charges it is others because wansvic cannot respond without acknowledging that water does not save anyone.
We are instructed to be baptized in water, but not for salvation, as has been explained with scripture, many times over in this thread and others that have been started for the purpose of attacking the truth.
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In my opinion this is a good illustration:
Here Baptizo is transliterated:
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/act.2.38.KJV
Here it is translated:
“Kefa answered them, “Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!”
Acts of Emissaries of Yeshua (Act) 2:38 CJB
https://bible.com/bible/1275/act.2.38.CJB
Here Baptizo is transliterated:
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/act.2.38.KJV
Here it is translated:
“Kefa answered them, “Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!”
Acts of Emissaries of Yeshua (Act) 2:38 CJB
https://bible.com/bible/1275/act.2.38.CJB
If jesus told me when he told me HOW to be born again, in all of those verses. I would believe Jesus
He did not. So I will take Jesus at his word
He who BELIEVES is not condemned,
He who does not believe is condemned already
I do not deny anything, It is you who deny the words of Christ in those chapters..
If it was so easy, you could prove it because you could show me where jesus said it in those passages
You can;t. So you must attack
You did not post what you think you posted.. God does not contradict himself. You have misrepresented and mistranslated those passages.
He did not. So I will take Jesus at his word
He who BELIEVES is not condemned,
He who does not believe is condemned already
I do not deny anything, It is you who deny the words of Christ in those chapters..
If it was so easy, you could prove it because you could show me where jesus said it in those passages
You can;t. So you must attack
You did not post what you think you posted.. God does not contradict himself. You have misrepresented and mistranslated those passages.
Another hammer?
You just condemned my sister in law
You just condemned every OT believer who has not been baptised
You just condemned everyone who is not able to be immersed in water because of medical conditions
You just condemned everyone who has true saving faith in CHrist. But has not for whatever reason, been able to be baptized in water
There is no debate my friend. I am exposing the truth. the lie of a works based gospel.
You just condemned my sister in law
You just condemned every OT believer who has not been baptised
You just condemned everyone who is not able to be immersed in water because of medical conditions
You just condemned everyone who has true saving faith in CHrist. But has not for whatever reason, been able to be baptized in water
There is no debate my friend. I am exposing the truth. the lie of a works based gospel.
Sorry bro. The Bible does not teach this at all
Jesus told us many times how to be saved. Not once did he mention baptism. Because baptism is not required to be born again, given eternal life.
Perople who try to pick a few passages, and twist them to make it appear baptism is required do so at their own peril
Jesus told us many times how to be saved. Not once did he mention baptism. Because baptism is not required to be born again, given eternal life.
Perople who try to pick a few passages, and twist them to make it appear baptism is required do so at their own peril
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While I like the word immersed. It is still out of place.
Gift of the spirit does not go with baptism. It goes only with repent
forgiveness of your sins goes with baptism. However. For or into can be translated in order to recieve, or on account of already recieved.
since the gift of the spirit is given solely on the basis of repentance. And the gift can not be given apart from forgiveness. The only logical interpretation is we go to be baptized on account of already recieved remmision of sin.’
Gift of the spirit does not go with baptism. It goes only with repent
forgiveness of your sins goes with baptism. However. For or into can be translated in order to recieve, or on account of already recieved.
since the gift of the spirit is given solely on the basis of repentance. And the gift can not be given apart from forgiveness. The only logical interpretation is we go to be baptized on account of already recieved remmision of sin.’