Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation
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I do not have to explain. Jesus explained it in mattew 24. that is what we are talking about
The great tribulation is the (things which shall take place) aspect of revelation..
yes, it is an encouragment to endure, if you make it till the end, you will get to witness the reutn of christ, the defeat of satan and enter the thousand year reign with christ.
If YOU must endure. to be saved (spiritually) you are trying to save yourself.[/QUOTE]
The great tribulation is the (things which shall take place) aspect of revelation..
yes, it is an encouragment to endure, if you make it till the end, you will get to witness the reutn of christ, the defeat of satan and enter the thousand year reign with christ.
If YOU must endure. to be saved (spiritually) you are trying to save yourself.[/QUOTE]
Rev 13:15
15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed
Refused to worship the beast = killed not physically save
So you dont believe the Bible
It your choice to believe your church teaching more than bible
15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed
Refused to worship the beast = killed not physically save
So you dont believe the Bible
It your choice to believe your church teaching more than bible
Lol.
Unlike you I have faith that God will spare some people. I do believe he will issue a proclamation that those who do not will be killed. I do not believe in his ability to find everyone
I also believe Jesus gave people eternal life the moment they believed.
Your the one who does not believe the Bible my friend, You teach conditional life. Not eternal
Jesus did not contradict himsel;f.
Unlike you I have faith that God will spare some people. I do believe he will issue a proclamation that those who do not will be killed. I do not believe in his ability to find everyone
I also believe Jesus gave people eternal life the moment they believed.
Your the one who does not believe the Bible my friend, You teach conditional life. Not eternal
Jesus did not contradict himsel;f.
I don't think you understood my last post.
Of course murder and adultery are sins because those acts are listed in the law.
Where you have a serious problem with your definition of sin is shown below.
Galatians 5:18-21
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Did you notice these sins, witchcraft, hostilities, outbursts of anger, ambition, factions, envy, etc.
None of these sins above are mentioned in the 10 commandments.
Paul says if you have any of these sinful attributes, your not going upstairs.
It is inescapable, that the law is insufficient in describing all the sinful behavior that you are capable of.
"just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Are you saying that you can be ambitious, greedy, a drunkard, selfish, etc. Because this behavior is not listed in the law?
Of course murder and adultery are sins because those acts are listed in the law.
Where you have a serious problem with your definition of sin is shown below.
Galatians 5:18-21
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Did you notice these sins, witchcraft, hostilities, outbursts of anger, ambition, factions, envy, etc.
None of these sins above are mentioned in the 10 commandments.
Paul says if you have any of these sinful attributes, your not going upstairs.
It is inescapable, that the law is insufficient in describing all the sinful behavior that you are capable of.
"just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God."
Are you saying that you can be ambitious, greedy, a drunkard, selfish, etc. Because this behavior is not listed in the law?
Here is a better viewpoint of what sin is.
Galatians 5:18-21
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Anything that is not of faith is sin, and that means anything!
Galatians 5:18-21
But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law. Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: sexual immorality, impurity, indecent behavior, idolatry, witchcraft, hostilities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Anything that is not of faith is sin, and that means anything!
FreeGrace2 said:
What verse tells us how to receive eternal life? Do you have one
Then you should KNOW that lifestyle has NOTHING to do with receiving eternal life.
Why don't you know that?
What verse tells us how to receive eternal life? Do you have one
Then you should KNOW that lifestyle has NOTHING to do with receiving eternal life.
Why don't you know that?
I understood....I gave you those commandments because they are sin, sin as defined by the Law.
And I knew you saw them as sin, and I wanted you to see they are two of the Ten Commandments...commandments we must still keep.
And also, I understand the Law is very difficult for many people to understand, with all the doctrines we have to choose from.
How many times has the Holy Spirit convicted you of a sin, a sin not listed among the Ten Commandments?
How will you know it's a sin, if you only use the Ten Commandments as your guide?
Many of us, when convicted of a sin by the Holy Spirit, try to Categorize those sins. And if we can't put them under one of the Ten Commandments, we assume they must not be a sin.
A famous example of this was Bill Clinton...a Christian...who didn't believe his sexual act with his Monica.... was a sin, because in his mind.... it didn't fit under the Ten Commandments . Paul was addressing this confusion by listing those sins. The Law of Christ has expanded to more than just those Ten Commandments. The Law of Christ is put into our minds and written on our hearts...some of these Laws for which we are still convicted, are many of the Ten Commandments. Like the Two I mentioned.
Like I said earlier...Paul taught against the "Works" of the Law of Moses, those Laws which required the Jews to do something. The Ten Commandments do not require you to do anything...so these Laws are not the Law Paul taught against. Paul was simply listing sins, people may commit, but not believing they were sins, simply because they didn't fall under one of the Ten Commandments.
Obviously...they were just as confused then...as we are now.
And I knew you saw them as sin, and I wanted you to see they are two of the Ten Commandments...commandments we must still keep.
And also, I understand the Law is very difficult for many people to understand, with all the doctrines we have to choose from.
How many times has the Holy Spirit convicted you of a sin, a sin not listed among the Ten Commandments?
How will you know it's a sin, if you only use the Ten Commandments as your guide?
Many of us, when convicted of a sin by the Holy Spirit, try to Categorize those sins. And if we can't put them under one of the Ten Commandments, we assume they must not be a sin.
A famous example of this was Bill Clinton...a Christian...who didn't believe his sexual act with his Monica.... was a sin, because in his mind.... it didn't fit under the Ten Commandments . Paul was addressing this confusion by listing those sins. The Law of Christ has expanded to more than just those Ten Commandments. The Law of Christ is put into our minds and written on our hearts...some of these Laws for which we are still convicted, are many of the Ten Commandments. Like the Two I mentioned.
Like I said earlier...Paul taught against the "Works" of the Law of Moses, those Laws which required the Jews to do something. The Ten Commandments do not require you to do anything...so these Laws are not the Law Paul taught against. Paul was simply listing sins, people may commit, but not believing they were sins, simply because they didn't fall under one of the Ten Commandments.
Obviously...they were just as confused then...as we are now.
FreeGrace2 said:
What verse tells us how to receive eternal life? Do you have one
Then you should KNOW that lifestyle has NOTHING to do with receiving eternal life.
Why don't you know that?
Just how much of the Bible are you aware of? Your comment here is highly naive. No, Jesus DOESN'T change our lifestyle.
In fact, if you would read through all the epistles, every one of them commands a change in lifestyle.
Paul told believers to STOP grieving (Eph 4:30) and STOP quenching (1 Thess 5:19) the Spirit. Don't you know this?
And Paul commands believers to be filled with the Spirit (Eph 5:18).
Keep reading the Bible. Then you'll get what Scripture does teach.
What verse tells us how to receive eternal life? Do you have one
Then you should KNOW that lifestyle has NOTHING to do with receiving eternal life.
Why don't you know that?
Just how much of the Bible are you aware of? Your comment here is highly naive. No, Jesus DOESN'T change our lifestyle.
In fact, if you would read through all the epistles, every one of them commands a change in lifestyle.
Paul told believers to STOP grieving (Eph 4:30) and STOP quenching (1 Thess 5:19) the Spirit. Don't you know this?
And Paul commands believers to be filled with the Spirit (Eph 5:18).
Keep reading the Bible. Then you'll get what Scripture does teach.
I am reading the Bible and that is say
John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
When you abide in Him or let Jesus in, you will bear fruit
And what is the fruit of the Holy Spirit?
Love, loving life style
John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
When you abide in Him or let Jesus in, you will bear fruit
And what is the fruit of the Holy Spirit?
Love, loving life style