Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

[ResidentAlien]

What I am asking for are confirmation videos of the gifts of "tounges" and "healings". Because these are the spiritual gifts that are prone to outrageous fraud by the bogus prosperity gospel snake oil salesmen.

I feel that I am well within my rights to ask for these videos, so that I can conduct a forensic analysis and do my due diligence. And spread the word of the results that I obtain.

Nothing wrong with that is there?

Sure you have a right; extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But you'll never get anything.

I had an opportunity recently to watch a TV show about these Big Foot hunters. They were always right on the verge of finding him; they heard things, they saw strange things; they discovered all kinds of "evidence" that he was near. But alas, his discovery was just out of reach. That's the way it is with miracle seekers. They have a lot of big tales but in the end no substance.

 

[cv5]

Sure you have a right; extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But you'll never get anything.

I had an opportunity recently to watch a TV show about these Big Foot hunters. They were always right on the verge of finding him; they heard things, they saw strange things; they discovered all kinds of "evidence" that he was near. But alas, his discovery was just out of reach. That's the way it is with miracle seekers. They have a lot of big tales but in the end no substance.

Yea, those big foot hunter programs are a joke.

Nevertheless there's no doubt whatsoever that Bigfoot so-called do exist. I happen to be quite the expert on the matter. Take my word for it when I tell you they are all over the place.....and they are absolutely real. But with a very low population. Videos of real specimens (yes there are many many videos of real specimens) demonstrate nonhuman biomechanics, anatomy and morphology. And the biomechanics, anatomy and morphology are unerringly, absolutely, exactingly CONSISTENT.

-50/50 arm to leg ratio.
-non-human mid-tarsal break foot anatomy
-approx 75 degree lower leg kickback (short legs big feet). Humans are about 50 degrees.
-fully capable of quadrapedal locomotion
-sonic fingerprints (yells-screams-howl) that are confirmed as no known species

And yes the Patterson Grimlin film subject is undoubtedly that of a real Bigfoot specimen. A young female probably close to 7 foot tall and 500-600 pounds. Demonstrating the above-mentioned anatomy to perfection. Vastly more bulky and muscular than any human being.

The thing is......you don't need a PhD to figure it out either. See "ThinkerThunker" on YouTube. He pretty well nails it.

Take a look on YouTube for "Greenwave2010fb" has superb photo analysis of the Patterson film. His analysis is spot on.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Yea, those big foot hunter programs are a joke.

Nevertheless there's no doubt whatsoever that Bigfoot so-called do exist. I happen to be quite the expert on the matter. Take my word for it when I tell you they are all over the place.....and they are absolutely real. But with a very low population. Videos of real specimens (yes there are many many videos of real specimens) demonstrate nonhuman biomechanics, anatomy and morphology. And the biomechanics, anatomy and morphology are unerringly, absolutely, exactingly CONSISTENT.

-50/50 arm to leg ratio.
-non-human mid-tarsal break foot anatomy
-approx 75 degree lower leg kickback (short legs big feet). Humans are about 50 degrees.
-fully capable of quadrapedal locomotion
-sonic fingerprints (yells-screams-howl) that are confirmed as no known species

And yes the Patterson Grimlin film subject is undoubtedly that of a real Bigfoot specimen. A young female probably close to 7 foot tall and 500-600 pounds. Demonstrating the above-mentioned anatomy to perfection. Vastly more bulky and muscular than any human being.

The thing is......you don't need a PhD to figure it out either. See "ThinkerThunker" on YouTube. He pretty well nails it.

Take a look on YouTube for "Greenwave2010fb" has superb photo analysis of the Patterson film. His analysis is spot on.

Are you for real or pulling my leg?

 

[kaylagrl]

I have to say that some of the hardcore Pentecostals I knew were quite zealous and were seeking after righteousness......as far as I could tell.

They just seemed to be off in some wayward tangent. I think legit mature Christians will eventually walk away from hardcore Pentecostalism in due time.

There have been "fads" come and go. Most of those are independent Pentecostal churches. AOG has a set up where a pastor can be removed, or disciplined. Independents can still use the name Pentecostal and do all kinds of weird foolishness. Then there's people who argue with me that I believe you must speak in tongues to go to heaven, that's Holiness Pentecostal. So there are a lot of churches under the umbrella of Pentecostal. Same as Free Will Baptists vs Calvinists. Neither would want to be confused with the other. Yet not everyone understands the difference. As I said before, Benny Hinn was asked to stop some of the "show" he was doing by the AofG. He refused and left and has his own ministry. People look at him and say we all believe in the nonsense he gets on with, we don't. But then we come to another issue, core Pentecostals have seen so many of these fads go though and so much emotionalism that they are pretty much dead. It's a pity to see.

BTW.....I have asked this board dozens of times for healing/tounges cell phone video. You would think that they would have provided dozens and dozens of them by now. Nothing but crickets so far. You would think zealous hardcore Pentecostals would be chomping at the bit to prove themselves.......right? I mean......I know that I would. Without the slightest hesitation.

So you don't believe people can be healed today? I heard this on tape many years ago. I thought I would look it up on internet. I was surprised to find it. Here you go...

Folks, you can call me a cultist, you can call me demon possessed, you can call me weird, but this I know, we serve a healing God!! I don't know why some are not healed, the Bible gives some reasons, some we won't know till we see Him face to face. But Jesus never refused to heal, He never said no. I still believe in a miracle working God, no matter who is with me or against me!!



Praise the Lord, my soul;
all my inmost being, praise his holy name.
2 Praise the Lord, my soul,
and forget not all his benefits—
3 who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases,
4 who redeems your life from the pit
and crowns you with love and compassion,
5 who satisfies your desires with good things
so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.
6 The Lord works righteousness
and justice for all the oppressed.
7 He made known his ways to Moses,
his deeds to the people of Israel:
8 The Lord is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.
9 He will not always accuse,
nor will he harbor his anger forever;
10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve. PTL !!


For those who don't wish to watch video, the last frame says this...
or repay us according to our iniquities.
11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.


For those who don't wish to watch video, the last frame says this...

According to a 2004 survey, 55% of physicians have seen results in their patients that they would consider MIRACULOUS !! Three quarters of the 11000 doctors surveyed are convinced MIRACLES can occur today. Maybe then, it's not surprising that 6/ 10 doctors say they PRAY for their patients individually.

Brother/ Sister if they can believe for MIRACLES what would happen if WE DID?! He redeems us for the pit. I don't care whether I get a scoff or an amen. I believe God is WILLING, He is ABLE and He STILL performs MIRACLES today!! And if that makes you think I'm part of a cult, demon possessed, Holy Roller, I do not care !! I thank God for the MIRACLES he's done in my life and my families lives. NOT because I'm Pentecostal, not because I'm special, superior or have any magic powers. It's because I stand on Gods promise, to heal us. By His stripes we ARE healed.
Now I'm gonna go over here and shout the Glory while you all argue over it. Have a blessed day, even you RA.

 

[cv5]

Are you for real or pulling my leg?

Nope. Just peruse those two youtube sites if you are interested. Frankly I wouldn't waste too much time on that topic. It's not fruitful for the Kingdom's sake.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Nope. Just peruse those two youtube sites if you are interested. Frankly I wouldn't waste too much time on that topic. It's not fruitful for the Kingdom's sake.

You diss Pentecostals for their failure to produce proof and you believe in Bigfoot? LOL, I think I've heard it all now.

 

[cv5]

You diss Pentecostals for their failure to produce proof and you believe in Bigfoot? LOL, I think I've heard it all now.

Inquiring minds want to know. And I do. About both topics.

But yea....one weekend spent on those two channels alone is enough to convince anybody with normal intelligence.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

Why do you watch such videos? ... I don't

... nor do I watch videos of Presbyterians singing hymns from a hymn book

To fight Satan's kingdom of course and pray the Sword upon them in the name of Jesus, amen.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

So, looking deeper into this cult due to this topic piquing curiosity at the mention that this cult is actually growing I found something kind of hilarious on the surface, though actually a pretty big heretical and satanic kingdom red flag much deeper, and perhaps a source for the gushing outpouring of demonic activity that is easily seen in pentecostalist cults. It's a belief in mermaids to put it humorously, but deeper than this they have a whole mythology about a so-called "marine kingdom". The heart of this heresy being that the demons are the fallen angels that pretty much became mermaids apparently.

 

[kaylagrl]

So, looking deeper into this cult due to this topic piquing curiosity at the mention that this cult is actually growing I found something kind of hilarious on the surface, though actually a pretty big heretical and satanic kingdom red flag much deeper, and perhaps a source for the gushing outpouring of demonic activity that is easily seen in pentecostalist cults. It's a belief in mermaids to put it humorously, but deeper than this they have a whole mythology about a so-called "marine kingdom". The heart of this heresy being that the demons are the fallen angels that pretty much became mermaids apparently.

I'm Pentecostal, I have been in hundreds of both AofG and Independent Pent. churches. I can assure you we believe no such thing. Trust me on this. Any mainstream church does not believe that nonsense.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

I'm Pentecostal, I have been in hundreds of both AofG and Independent Pent. churches. I can assure you we believe no such thing. Trust me on this. Any mainstream church does not believe that nonsense.

Hmmm another one? So are there many bound to this cult on this forum?

 

[kaylagrl]

Hmmm another one? So are there many bound to this cult on this forum?

Lord, it's not up to me to defend myself against mockers. You know my heart. Open their eyes and let them see your power. Amen.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

Lord, it's not up to me to defend myself against mockers. You know my heart. Open their eyes and let them see your power. Amen.

I'm just asking if there are many or not. Starting to make some sense to me now of their past attacks on me for when I attack Satan's Kingdom spiritually or expound on the Lord God's Judgements.

 

[TDidymas]

I have to say that some of the hardcore Pentecostals I knew were quite zealous and were seeking after righteousness......as far as I could tell.

They just seemed to be off in some wayward tangent. I think legit mature Christians will eventually walk away from hardcore Pentecostalism in due time.

BTW.....I have asked this board dozens of times for healing/tounges cell phone video. You would think that they would have provided dozens and dozens of them by now. Nothing but crickets so far. You would think zealous hardcore Pentecostals would be chomping at the bit to prove themselves.......right? I mean......I know that I would. Without the slightest hesitation.

I agree 100%. I've done the same and still hear silence. BTW, you say you have the spiritual gift of prophecy, have you provided a link or video for evaluation? Please don't get me wrong, this is a sincere question, I'd like to see one if you can provide it.

 

[TDidymas]

I said that I had the gift of "speaking forth" aka "prophecy" (which, if you check, is the superior gift). In other words, "speaking forth" the truth, facts and reality of the gospel message. Boots on the ground preaching and/or exhortation by means of "speaking forth". Both within and without to Church assembly. I also believe I have the gift of discernment. No need for a cell phone video for that is there?

What I am asking for are confirmation videos of the gifts of "tounges" and "healings". Because these are the spiritual gifts that are prone to outrageous fraud by the bogus prosperity gospel snake oil salesmen.

I feel that I am well within my rights to ask for these videos, so that I can conduct a forensic analysis and do my due diligence. And spread the word of the results that I obtain.

Nothing wrong with that is there?

No, nothing wrong with that. But I get it. The gift of prophecy you are describing is not miraculous, then, but providential. That is, God works through us using our natural abilities. But Biblical tongues, healing, working of miracles, and even prophecy are miraculous gifts, are they not? And I agree that the claim to miracles must be evaluated, since there has been so much counterfeit in the past 100 years.

 

[TDidymas]

Sure you have a right; extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But you'll never get anything.

I had an opportunity recently to watch a TV show about these Big Foot hunters. They were always right on the verge of finding him; they heard things, they saw strange things; they discovered all kinds of "evidence" that he was near. But alas, his discovery was just out of reach. That's the way it is with miracle seekers. They have a lot of big tales but in the end no substance.

In Texas we say "big hat, no cattle."

 

[TDidymas]

There have been "fads" come and go. Most of those are independent Pentecostal churches. AOG has a set up where a pastor can be removed, or disciplined. Independents can still use the name Pentecostal and do all kinds of weird foolishness. Then there's people who argue with me that I believe you must speak in tongues to go to heaven, that's Holiness Pentecostal. So there are a lot of churches under the umbrella of Pentecostal. Same as Free Will Baptists vs Calvinists. Neither would want to be confused with the other. Yet not everyone understands the difference. As I said before, Benny Hinn was asked to stop some of the "show" he was doing by the AofG. He refused and left and has his own ministry. People look at him and say we all believe in the nonsense he gets on with, we don't. But then we come to another issue, core Pentecostals have seen so many of these fads go though and so much emotionalism that they are pretty much dead. It's a pity to see.





So you don't believe people can be healed today? I heard this on tape many years ago. I thought I would look it up on internet. I was surprised to find it. Here you go...

Folks, you can call me a cultist, you can call me demon possessed, you can call me weird, but this I know, we serve a healing God!! I don't know why some are not healed, the Bible gives some reasons, some we won't know till we see Him face to face. But Jesus never refused to heal, He never said no. I still believe in a miracle working God, no matter who is with me or against me!!



Praise the Lord, my soul;
all my inmost being, praise his holy name.
2 Praise the Lord, my soul,
and forget not all his benefits—
3 who forgives all your sins
and heals all your diseases,
4 who redeems your life from the pit
and crowns you with love and compassion,
5 who satisfies your desires with good things
so that your youth is renewed like the eagle’s.
6 The Lord works righteousness
and justice for all the oppressed.
7 He made known his ways to Moses,
his deeds to the people of Israel:
8 The Lord is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.
9 He will not always accuse,
nor will he harbor his anger forever;
10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve. PTL !!


For those who don't wish to watch video, the last frame says this...
or repay us according to our iniquities.
11 For as high as the heavens are above the earth,
so great is his love for those who fear him;
12 as far as the east is from the west,
so far has he removed our transgressions from us.


For those who don't wish to watch video, the last frame says this...

According to a 2004 survey, 55% of physicians have seen results in their patients that they would consider MIRACULOUS !! Three quarters of the 11000 doctors surveyed are convinced MIRACLES can occur today. Maybe then, it's not surprising that 6/ 10 doctors say they PRAY for their patients individually.

Brother/ Sister if they can believe for MIRACLES what would happen if WE DID?! He redeems us for the pit. I don't care whether I get a scoff or an amen. I believe God is WILLING, He is ABLE and He STILL performs MIRACLES today!! And if that makes you think I'm part of a cult, demon possessed, Holy Roller, I do not care !! I thank God for the MIRACLES he's done in my life and my families lives. NOT because I'm Pentecostal, not because I'm special, superior or have any magic powers. It's because I stand on Gods promise, to heal us. By His stripes we ARE healed.
Now I'm gonna go over here and shout the Glory while you all argue over it. Have a blessed day, even you RA.

The video says 1100 doctors, not 11000.

But during his voice change, I didn't hear anyone praying, I didn't hear any evidence of people laying hands on him, I didn't hear anyone claiming he was healed by their gift of healing. Yet, those activities and claims are what distinguishes Pentecostalism from the rest of Christianity. Most Christians believe that God heals, and I'm sure would agree that his voice change was by God's grace, whether they said it was miraculous or providential. But the point is, that video doesn't prove in any way, shape, or form, the claim that some person has the spiritual gift of healing. That's the point of contention IMO.

 

[Evmur]

To fight Satan's kingdom of course and pray the Sword upon them in the name of Jesus, amen.

be sure of which end of that sword you are holding

 

[Evmur]

A lot of people want the truth Evmur.

If writhing on the floor and jiggling around in hysterics were the place to find truth then such videos would be must see ...

You show that you go by what you see and hear, not by what the word of God teaches.

I would bid you to consider if you were guest in a 14th century RC mass which was the very zenith of what passed for christian worship and all christians were united ... what truth would you witness there?

 

[Evmur]

I don't see the parallel between a talking donkey and a Christian. Balaam's donkey was not redeemed to glory from before the foundation of the world.

well one parallel [if you believe you were redeemed before the world began] would be that you don't believe in freewill