Pentecostalism's sketchy origins

[jb]

1 Cor 14:5 "prophecy" is defined in 1 Cor 14:3 as "edification and exhortation and comfort".
Nothing about future-telling there whatsoever.

A FULL study on the gift of prophecy should help your ignorance on this gift!

 

[cv5]

... oh right ... nobody knows

Nobody on Christian chat that's for sure.

 

[TDidymas]

God isn't

YOU need to be brought out of THAT

God's anger was expended upon Christ on the cross. In this epoch God's grace is active. Acts of divine judgement are rare in this period of grace. Now the wheat and tares grow together .... at the end of the age will come the great sorting out and dividing between the wise and the foolish.

The Bible says "whoever believeth not, the wrath of God abideth on him." Don't confuse the wrath of God expended on mankind in the future as described in the book of Revelation with the wrath of God on individuals in which He is patient toward them until His wrath is poured out in lake of fire judgment. "He who does not believe is condemned already." Can you see that I am quoting scripture?

So then, your statement is self-contradictory, since the wrath of God remains over the condemned, whether they are judged in this world or in the next. God's anger was indeed expended on the cross, but not for everyone, since it was only for those who believe. Therefore, Christ's blood redeems only believers, not unbelievers. "With His blood He purchased men from every tribe, tongue, and nation" - notice it says "men from..." and not everyone.

We must pay attention to what the actual text of scripture says, not what people want it to say.

 

[kaylagrl]

No, nothing wrong with that. But I get it. The gift of prophecy you are describing is not miraculous, then, but providential. That is, God works through us using our natural abilities. But Biblical tongues, healing, working of miracles, and even prophecy are miraculous gifts, are they not? And I agree that the claim to miracles must be evaluated, since there has been so much counterfeit in the past 100 years.

Hope you watched the video then. So far, no responses.

 

[TDidymas]

Hope you watched the video then. So far, no responses.

I already responded to your video two days ago. Didn't you see it?
https://christianchat.com/threads/pentecostalisms-sketchy-origins.199418/post-4863782

 

[cv5]

God isn't

YOU need to be brought out of THAT

God's anger was expended upon Christ on the cross. In this epoch God's grace is active. Acts of divine judgement are rare in this period of grace. Now the wheat and tares grow together .... at the end of the age will come the great sorting out and dividing between the wise and the foolish.

Minus the already raptured Church.....

 

[Evmur]

The Bible says "whoever believeth not, the wrath of God abideth on him." Don't confuse the wrath of God expended on mankind in the future as described in the book of Revelation with the wrath of God on individuals in which He is patient toward them until His wrath is poured out in lake of fire judgment. "He who does not believe is condemned already." Can you see that I am quoting scripture?

So then, your statement is self-contradictory, since the wrath of God remains over the condemned, whether they are judged in this world or in the next. God's anger was indeed expended on the cross, but not for everyone, since it was only for those who believe. Therefore, Christ's blood redeems only believers, not unbelievers. "With His blood He purchased men from every tribe, tongue, and nation" - notice it says "men from..." and not everyone.

We must pay attention to what the actual text of scripture says, not what people want it to say.

The wrath of God is the curse which came upon the creation at the time of man's fall which curse Christ redeems us from [whoso believeth] it is not a peculiar judgement of wrath upon any individual because of particular sin.

... how could America escape such a judgement?

 

[TDidymas]

The wrath of God is the curse which came upon the creation at the time of man's fall which curse Christ redeems us from [whoso believeth] it is not a peculiar judgement of wrath upon any individual because of particular sin.

... how could America escape such a judgement?

"he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." (Jn. 3:36, KJV)
Referencing your quote in bold, the scripture disagrees with you. "he" is an individual with particular sin (does not believe).
Other translations say "whoever does not obey the Son..." which is still particular sin of individuals. So your idea conflicts with the actual text of scripture.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

God isn't

YOU need to be brought out of THAT

God's anger was expended upon Christ on the cross. In this epoch God's grace is active. Acts of divine judgement are rare in this period of grace. Now the wheat and tares grow together .... at the end of the age will come the great sorting out and dividing between the wise and the foolish.

Psalm 7

 

[cv5]

The wrath of God is the curse which came upon the creation at the time of man's fall which curse Christ redeems us from [whoso believeth] it is not a peculiar judgement of wrath upon any individual because of particular sin.

... how could America escape such a judgement?

They won't. The 70th week of Daniel 7 years tribulation IS a peculiar judgment of God's wrath. Upon the remaining earth dwellers.

 

[Evmur]

They won't. The 70th week of Daniel 7 years tribulation IS a peculiar judgment of God's wrath. Upon the remaining earth dwellers.

That will be a new age. This age is the age of God's grace.

 

[mustaphadrink]

The Pentecostalists

The Pentecostals are not a cult as there is no such thing as a Pentecostal organsation. There are churches that are Pentecostal in nature such as the AOG, Elim, Christian Outreach Centre, Australian Christian Churches, Church of God (Full Gospel), Italian Pentecostal Churches, Planet Shakers, Apostolic Pentecostal Church, United Pentecostal Churches of Australia, The three Cs, Hillsong, Apostolic Churches, Pentecostal Church of God, Pentecostal Holiness Church, Ukrainian Christian Pentecostal Church and I could go on and on and on

 

[mustaphadrink]

The way I see it, Pentecostals today are long on salesmanship........and short on product.

Please provide some cell phone videos of these innumerable acts of speaking in tongues. I need to conduct a forensic examination.

Thank you.

They are not short on product when it comes to the supernatural. I have only ever seen supernatural healings take place in Pentecostal churches. I have only read about supernatural healing in Pentecostal churches or ministries.

 

[Wansvic]

A lot of people want the truth Evmur.

Those who want to know the truth should seek God and learn from His word.

 

[mustaphadrink]

I'd stop short of saying Pentecostalism is a full-on cult, but it fails the smell test for sound doctrine.

it may be for you but for millions of Christians it passes the pub test so be careful when you pronounce judgment on that which is from God.

 

[mustaphadrink]

Those who want to know the truth should seek God and learn from His word.

For how long and for how much? I was born again at the age of eleven (69 years ago) and was brought up in a church that was based totally on the teaching of scripture. The Sunday sermon was never a homily. It was an exposition of scripture. I then was taught the scripture during two years of study at Bible College. Then I went to University and gained three degrees one of which included a study of the New Testament.

And then when he spoke to me through three different prophetic utterances from three different men at three different meetings that he was calling me and giving me an anointing to be a teacher, I changed course and trained to be a teacher and took that up as a profession and all my work in the church since than has been as a teacher.

Is that sufficient credentials or do you require more?

 

[Willow]

Despite the things people say about Pentecostal one thing I have noticed is they uphold holiness and being like Christ led by the Spirit with no faltering and no making excuses more than any other denomination I know.

I agree. Ive also found Pentecostals more adament about Christ crucified which some denomination preachers, while they know, they dont press it as they should imo. I could be biased as I have a brother in law as well as a son in law bothe Pentecostal ministers in different churches in different states. As someone without a church ( couple of reasons) im leaning toward a Pentecostal church just for the preaching. Singing aint bad either. As for tongues? Both my relative preachers say its true. So if I find a church and it ever happens to me I will let everyone know.

I have spoken in tongues , although usually in prayer. I find that some maybe out of place by doing somethings in the church. But to dismiss something at times as saying this is not of God. Find many times it is their own conclusion. I am learning that scripture says to pray for one another more then to find their faults. Besides I figure that is the devil's job. Because daily he tries to remind me of mine

 

[Wansvic]

For how long and for how much? I was born again at the age of eleven (69 years ago) and was brought up in a church that was based totally on the teaching of scripture. The Sunday sermon was never a homily. It was an exposition of scripture. I then was taught the scripture during two years of study at Bible College. Then I went to University and gained three degrees one of which included a study of the New Testament.

And then when he spoke to me through three different prophetic utterances from three different men at three different meetings that he was calling me and giving me an anointing to be a teacher, I changed course and trained to be a teacher and took that up as a profession and all my work in the church since than has been as a teacher.

Is that sufficient credentials or do you require more?

I was responding to a comment that people watch videos in an attempt to ascertain truth.

 

[mustaphadrink]

For how long and for how much? I was born again at the age of eleven (69 years ago) and was brought up in a church that was based totally on the teaching of scripture. The Sunday sermon was never a homily. It was an exposition of scripture. I then was taught the scripture during two years of study at Bible College. Then I went to University and gained three degrees one of which included a study of the New Testament.

And then when he spoke to me through three different prophetic utterances from three different men at three different meetings that he was calling me and giving me an anointing to be a teacher, I changed course and trained to be a teacher and took that up as a profession and all my work in the church since than has been as a teacher.

Is that sufficient credentials or do you require more?

As a P.S. to the previous post, I know that I get annoying when people give their opinion on this that and the other. I usually want to know what the scripture teaches. This can make some people angry. For the record I am not interested in anyone's opinion, not even mine, so I stick with what the Word teaches and if doesn't gel with my opinion, my opinion is dumped in the round filing cabinet.

The scripture tells us that it is the truth that sets us free. To know the truth I cannot bypass the Holy Spirit. So for me I need the Word AND the Holy Spirit. Without him, I have no idea what the truth is.

 

[mustaphadrink]

I was responding to a comment that people watch videos in an attempt to ascertain truth.

For me the medium for learning is not really relevant. What is relevant is that they are learning what the scripture teaches. In some churches they get a Sunday homily, never expository preaching and teaching so all that happens is they learn about God, but never learn to KNOW God.