When We All Get to Heaven

[2ndTimothyGroup]

We all think the Bible is plain, straight forward

It's interesting that you say that. I had "people" from another forum go after me because I stated how confusing some of Paul's writings can be. Even Peter himself stated such.

2 Peter 3:15-16 NET - "And regard the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as also our dear brother Paul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, 16 speaking of these things in all his letters. Some things in these letters are hard to understand, things the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they also do to the rest of the scriptures."

The Holy Spirit teaches the Truth . . . so those who are being taught by the same Spirit are receiving the same Truth. So what does this mean, then, considering the plethora of "teachers" we have here?

Pretty simple . . . the Remnant is small, and so are the number of True teachers . . . here.

 

[JaumeJ]

When I come to share the Word as best given me to do, I find that to this day most arguments and confusion are found when individuals are sharing from the wring of Paul.

I try to stick to what is credited to Jesus Yeshi Yah by the four Evangelists, but sometimes even that is not good enough for others.

Solution: Keep on trucki'.

 

[JohnDB]

I wonder sometimes when an unbeliever points out that even believers can't agree on what the Bible is saying how much we are affecting the world? Here at CC we have constant disagreement. We all think the Bible is plain, straight forward, yet some of our beliefs are so far apart. And each one of us would say we follow the Word and are guided by the Holy Spirit and that is why we believe the way we believe.

How do we reach a world when we won't even let each other in to heaven? I've been wondering about that lately, and it's been bothering me. A well known actress that is a Christian said to two comedian friends of hers that God loves them. They said they were astounded, because no one had ever told them God loves them. And that got me to thinking, why didn't they know? I've always been very black and white in what I believe. But I wonder, are we trying to do the Holy Spirits work? A popular singing group has a song called "I Catch Em', He Cleans Em'. We're to be fishers of men. But are we trying to do work that isn't ours to do? An old singer said once, "the older I'm getting, the more people I'm letting into heaven". Does anyone else feel the same way? Or is it just me? Why aren't we more in one accord. And don't tell me "because the way you believe is wrong". Every single person here believes they are right according to the Word. If that is true, we should be able to sing "There's a Sweet, Sweet Spirit in This Place" and there isn't. Why?!

Party will be at my place....just saying.

But more pragmatically and to the point....
People hide behind their avatars and are emboldened to say all sorts of blasphemous things. Things they would not even say in the presence of others much less to anyone.

Then there's the pastor I ran into once....his words were very condemning but his actions were extremely grace centered....a totally incongruous person.


Others here in the South are just the opposite....their words are like honey but their actions are poison.

Ain't nothing like a flame war on the internet.

But partially this is because each of us is different....a unique person with whom God has a unique relationship with. I have a different relationship with the same people than what other people do...because I am unique. Just as they are unique. And because God is not a force, power, or inanimate object but indeed a person....we all have a unique relationship with Him...based on who we are as people.
Not everyone is capable of love in the same way. Because we base our relationships on our experiences and observations. We all value various things differently based on our love languages.

But that doesn't mean that my relationship with God is any less important to them or God than someone else's even though they don't have the same capacity to love as I do.

I can't change someone else's capacity to love or learn. It's a difficult lesson to learn. Most people never do. I've found someone awesome beyond belief in my relationship with God. I like sharing...and other people tell me how wrong I am when doing so. And somehow I don't see it as a personal attack like so many do. Probably because of the size of the God I know...others worship a smaller God. So they tend to get upset about everything and everyone else.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

People hide behind their avatars and are emboldened to say all sorts of blasphemous things. Things they would not even say in the presence of others, much less to anyone.

100% - When this became clear in my mind, I began inviting people (who post here on CC) to either meet with me face to face, or to have a Zoom or Web meeting internet call with me so that they could see my face as they blasted me with their evil name-calling and belittling. These "people" . . . not one time, ever accepted my offer (to berate me to my face). Needless to say, I find it to be entertaining that so many here can be rude, crude, condemning, and angry as they exemplify what it means to be a "keyboard warrior."

Weakness and insecurity . . . that's what fuels the actions of such people. Total weakness.

 

[kaylagrl]

Party will be at my place....just saying.

But more pragmatically and to the point....
People hide behind their avatars and are emboldened to say all sorts of blasphemous things. Things they would not even say in the presence of others much less to anyone.

Then there's the pastor I ran into once....his words were very condemning but his actions were extremely grace centered....a totally incongruous person.


Others here in the South are just the opposite....their words are like honey but their actions are poison.

Ain't nothing like a flame war on the internet.

But partially this is because each of us is different....a unique person with whom God has a unique relationship with. I have a different relationship with the same people than what other people do...because I am unique. Just as they are unique. And because God is not a force, power, or inanimate object but indeed a person....we all have a unique relationship with Him...based on who we are as people.
Not everyone is capable of love in the same way. Because we base our relationships on our experiences and observations. We all value various things differently based on our love languages.

But that doesn't mean that my relationship with God is any less important to them or God than someone else's even though they don't have the same capacity to love as I do.

I can't change someone else's capacity to love or learn. It's a difficult lesson to learn. Most people never do. I've found someone awesome beyond belief in my relationship with God. I like sharing...and other people tell me how wrong I am when doing so. And somehow I don't see it as a personal attack like so many do. Probably because of the size of the God I know...others worship a smaller God. So they tend to get upset about everything and everyone else.

Unfortunately I have found the south can be very much that way. My husband is unique, I find him to be very straight forward, even though he's a very gentle person, he doesn't do the sweet in your face, stab in the back later thing. Otherwise I don't think we'd be married.

I understand we are all different. But there has to be a point when we can come together as one. There's no "ignore button" in heaven. Jus' sayin'. I have people here that I have strongly disagreed with, but we still can communicated and agree to disagree. If we can't have harmony here, why do we think we'll have it there? The whole pitchfork and torchlight thing gets really old. Our job is to lead people toward Christ and let the Holy Spirit do the work. I've been on the road for a quite a few years, but some of the younger Christians here, I could see how they could very discouraged by some of the talk here. It really is sad.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

There's no "ignore button" in heaven.

I am definitely guilty of placing people on the "Ignore" button. I do it when one of two things occur:

1) A person tells me to place them on Ignore, thus I do it instantly.
2) A person becomes so abusive in their character attacks that I realize it isn't going to improve any time soon.

There is a purpose to placing a person on the Ignore list, and I find this purpose in the teachings of Jesus and Paul:

Luke 9:5 NKJV - 5 "And whoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet as a testimony against them."

Acts 18:5-6 NLT - "And after Silas and Timothy came down from Macedonia, Paul spent all his time preaching the word. He testified to the Jews that Jesus was the Messiah. But when they opposed and insulted him, Paul shook the dust from his clothes and said, "Your blood is upon your own heads--I am innocent. From now on I will go preach to the Gentiles."

Without getting into a theological discussion about this, there is a purpose to such actions. Placing certain people on the Ignore list accomplishes one thing . . . it keeps the peace in my mind and helps to reduce the conflict that the world sees. One way to show the world that we do not fight and disagree with one another is by placing those people on Ignore.

 

[Webers.Home]

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I have no interest in Heaven whatsoever. To me, it's a foreign country. I
want to stay right here on earth during Messiah's 1000-year administration
and visit all the places to which I have never gone, nor ever will go in this
life; and to do all things I've never done, nor ever will do.

Can you just imagine having free rein of this planet with an immortal body
and perpetual youth, and no fear of war, violence, poisonous snakes, toxic
insects, or wild animals!? I can hardly wait. One of the first things I want to
do is hike the triple crown: the Pacific Coast Trail, The Continental Divide
Trail, and the Appalachian Trail. Yeah, Cirque of the Towers here I come!!!
_

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

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I have no interest in Heaven whatsoever. To me, it's a foreign country. I
want to stay right here on earth during Messiah's 1000-year administration
and visit all the places to which I have never gone, nor ever will go in this
life; and to do all things I've never done, nor ever will do.

Can you just imagine having free rein of this planet with an immortal body
and perpetual youth, and no fear of war, violence, poisonous snakes, toxic
insects, or wild animals!? I can hardly wait. One of the first things I want to
do is hike the triple crown: the Pacific Coast Trail, The Continental Divide
Trail, and the Appalachian Trail. Yeah, Cirque of the Towers here I come!!!
_

I hear you. However, I have felt the Raw, Almighty Power of God. This is a physical and measurable Power that is best described as Peace and Love. I felt this Power to the degree that if I had continued to be encompassed by it, I would have died from a lack of oxygen. It would have been the best way possible to have died.

As great as this physical world can be, I have only nominal desires to remain. What awaits the Elect of God is so far beyond imagination, and it is so infinitely better . . . I look forward to what is to come.

 

[Webers.Home]

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I wouild like to visit Heaven's library where everything that's known, and can
be known, about the cosmos we live in is stored. Carl Sagan would've loved
that library because he went to his grave with a lot of unanswered
questions. But now they'll never be answered because Carl was, at best, an
agnostic, and at worst, an atheist.
_

 

[Eli1]

@kaylagrl based on your comments, I like your general understanding of love and unity .
I am sort of in the same place. Everybody likes to judge or bash somebody else or some other doctrine, but I usually pick the best of whatever group has to offer and discard the bad. Because there is goodness in every group and denomination.
Although technically I’m East Orthodox, I don’t mind gong to Catholic Churches sometime, or Protestant churches or non denominational churches. It’s all good, there are good people there in every group and the unifying Theme is always Jesus.
May God bless you and your family.

 

[Eli1]

I also wish you didn’t believe so much in conspiracy theories Kayla but even with that being said, that’s not what defines you. The best of you is shown in these messages of unity and love for all believers.

 

[arthurfleminger]

Firstly, if I get to heaven, I'd surely be surprised considering all the evil that I've brought into the world. But I do have faith and hope that Jesus will have mercy on me and save me.

Secondly, I think I'd be surprised at all those in heaven that I didn't expect to be there. Jesus love and mercy extends to all.

And, thirdly, I think I'd be surprrised at all those that I expected to be in heaven but went to hell instead. Many are good pretend Christians who don't practice their faith, Christian in name only and putting on a facade.

 

[kaylagrl]

I am definitely guilty of placing people on the "Ignore" button. I do it when one of two things occur:

1) A person tells me to place them on Ignore, thus I do it instantly.
2) A person becomes so abusive in their character attacks that I realize it isn't going to improve any time soon.

There is a purpose to placing a person on the Ignore list, and I find this purpose in the teachings of Jesus and Paul:

Luke 9:5 NKJV - 5 "And whoever will not receive you, when you go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet as a testimony against them."

Acts 18:5-6 NLT - "And after Silas and Timothy came down from Macedonia, Paul spent all his time preaching the word. He testified to the Jews that Jesus was the Messiah. But when they opposed and insulted him, Paul shook the dust from his clothes and said, "Your blood is upon your own heads--I am innocent. From now on I will go preach to the Gentiles."

Without getting into a theological discussion about this, there is a purpose to such actions. Placing certain people on the Ignore list accomplishes one thing . . . it keeps the peace in my mind and helps to reduce the conflict that the world sees. One way to show the world that we do not fight and disagree with one another is by placing those people on Ignore.

I have only put a couple of people on ignore since I have been here. Most that I have were banned not long after. But some people are so vicious, it's just shocking. Yet they still claim to be Christians. I usually just ignore them in the forums and avoid contact. It's odd to be that I have been here for years and all of a sudden someone will tell me just how much they hate me. And I'm like "wow, you've been building that up for a long time"!! That's what I mean when I say if we believe we're all heading for the same heaven, how do we thing we can if we can't even be civil here? Like you say, I suppose it's best to put them on ignore and forget about it.

 

[Beckie]

Hyper critical.....thats what we have turned the Lords word into. A slip of the lip and ill sink your ship.
Truth is jesus had a passion for food just invite him in and he'll sup with you.
Dinner conversation and the gospel live and in person.
There are 3 things needed for a harvest...
1. Plant the seed
2. Fertilize when needed.
3. Water when needed.
Let The Lord harvest .only he knows the time.

This post is worth a repeat ...

Yes we come to a forum and have different opinions on different aspects of Scripture... Yet knowing we are one body with most who claim the name of Jesus. God's Word is written in a way that brings discussion , invites discussion, separating the milk and meat. He could have given us a list of clear cut does and don'ts. He chose not to.

 

[Beckie]

I have only put a couple of people on ignore since I have been here. Most that I have were banned not long after. But some people are so vicious, it's just shocking. Yet they still claim to be Christians. I usually just ignore them in the forums and avoid contact. It's odd to be that I have been here for years and all of a sudden someone will tell me just how much they hate me. And I'm like "wow, you've been building that up for a long time"!! That's what I mean when I say if we believe we're all heading for the same heaven, how do we thing we can if we can't even be civil here? Like you say, I suppose it's best to put them on ignore and forget about it.

Php 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

We all agree on the 'heavy' parts of Scripture . His life His death His resurrection . Even for the most part His return even if the timing is different.

 

[Evmur]

I wonder sometimes when an unbeliever points out that even believers can't agree on what the Bible is saying how much we are affecting the world? Here at CC we have constant disagreement. We all think the Bible is plain, straight forward, yet some of our beliefs are so far apart. And each one of us would say we follow the Word and are guided by the Holy Spirit and that is why we believe the way we believe.

How do we reach a world when we won't even let each other in to heaven? I've been wondering about that lately, and it's been bothering me. A well known actress that is a Christian said to two comedian friends of hers that God loves them. They said they were astounded, because no one had ever told them God loves them. And that got me to thinking, why didn't they know? I've always been very black and white in what I believe. But I wonder, are we trying to do the Holy Spirits work? A popular singing group has a song called "I Catch Em', He Cleans Em'. We're to be fishers of men. But are we trying to do work that isn't ours to do? An old singer said once, "the older I'm getting, the more people I'm letting into heaven". Does anyone else feel the same way? Or is it just me? Why aren't we more in one accord. And don't tell me "because the way you believe is wrong". Every single person here believes they are right according to the Word. If that is true, we should be able to sing "There's a Sweet, Sweet Spirit in This Place" and there isn't. Why?!

We all will get there gal, everyone who is meant to. I believe in the WIDER mercy.

when the church is as backward as she is at present God work overtime. He is able.

 

[JTB]

As humans we tend to conflate the Bible with the world and politics. And satan is always ready and willing to muddy the waters for us. I was driving thru the country yesterday and saw a field filled with sheep. My first reaction was "oh look a gathering of liberals". But then I thought of how sheep were suppose to be a symbol of our relationship to Christ. satan, the world, and politics totally changed our vision of sheep from being something good to something bad. And that process influences how we think of all scripture. Which in turn influences how we each interpret scripture.

 

[kaylagrl]

We all will get there gal, everyone who is meant to. I believe in the WIDER mercy.

when the church is as backward as she is at present God work overtime. He is able.

Bless you brother, your words are always an encouragement, your posts are always sound. I appreciate you.

 

[Beckie]

When We All Get To Heaven
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"When We All Get to Heaven" is a Christian hymn written by Eliza Hewitt in 1898. Hewitt praises the wondrous love of Jesus and looks to the day we will all be reunited in the kingdom of heaven. Learn more about her courageous story and the inspirational lyrics of this hymn below!

1 Sing the wondrous love of Jesus,
sing his mercy and his grace;
in the mansions bright and blessed
he'll prepare for us a place.
Refrain:
When we all get to heaven,
what a day of rejoicing that will be!
When we all see Jesus
we'll sing and shout the victory.
2 While we walk the pilgrim pathway
clouds will overspread the sky,
but when traveling days are over,
not a shadow, not a sigh. [Refrain]
3 Let us then be true and faithful,
trusting, serving every day;
just one glimpse of Him in glory
will the toils of life repay. [Refrain]

Reading the title of this thread takes me back to about 1955 piano almost in honkytonk people enjoying church...

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

It's odd to be that I have been here for years and all of a sudden someone will tell me just how much they hate me.

Good grief, KaylaG . . . that's just incredible. I can't imagine ever saying that to anyone at a Christian forum (in front of everyone to see).

One thing that I am often reminded of is that there are a lot of people (more than you might think) that use cannabis and alcohol while posting their messages here. Alcohol will REALLY cause a person to say things that they would not normally say. Again, I think that this happens far more than most of us realize.