Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

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Phoneman-777

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Magenta said:
Perhaps if you stopped blatantly lying about those you pretend to
wish to have mature conversations with, it would go better for you.

And since you blatantly lie and refuse to repent, it is obvious you do not keep
the commandments, which, according to you, means God does not love you.
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What do you mean, "according to you"? You seem to think it is a human idea to say those who refuse to keep the commandments do not love God.

ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE: "He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments is a LIAR and the truth is not in him". - 1 John 5:3 KJV

If you'd concentrate on your Bible study half as much as on your "art", you would know this. Just as a cheating husband who claims to love his wife is a liar, so also is the "Christian" who claims to love God but refuses to keep His commandments :)
 
posthuman

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Phoneman-777 said:
Paul says those who do the law are justified in His sight, not those who hear only. Do you believe Paul?
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Paul says no one is justified in His sight because for those under the law it's only the doers and there are no doers but Christ

have you read a single verse of Romans other than 2:13??
because to anyone with the slightest sense of context you are being absolutely ridiculous.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
What God expects us to consider a delight to do, you and the rest of your antinomianist friends consider grievous.

"I delight to do thy will, O my God. Yea, Thy law is within my heart". - Psalms 40:8 KJV
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments, and His commandments are not grievous."
- 1 John 5:3 KJV
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salvation is by faith, not works.
anyone in Christ is not under the law, and is no longer condemned but has passed from death to life.
that's the topic.

i realize you do not believe the gospel, but at least please stay on topic.
whether actual believers live righteously is tangential and not in question.
 
Magenta

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posthuman said:
salvation is by faith, not works.
anyone in Christ is not under the law, and is no longer condemned but has passed from death to life.
that's the topic.

i realize you do not believe the gospel, but at least please stay on topic.
whether actual believers live righteously is tangential and not in question.
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Acts 13:38-39
:)
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
What God expects us to consider a delight to do, you and the rest of your antinomianist friends consider grievous.
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on what basis do you accuse "me and my friends" of sin?
isn't it because i trust God?
and you hate that? you despise everyone whose faith is in Christ instead of their own works?
so you falsely accuse them and constantly condemn them without cause?
that's your whole schtick, right?

you think that edifies anyone ?
you think God likes that?

you honestly think that's "meat" ????
have you even read Hebrews 5-6
wow.
 
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Magenta said:
It seems some believe they have merited God's favor.

Whereas the Bible teaches otherwise.

I do wonder about those who believe themselves to be sinless while they go about sinning.

And it is quite concerning how their hammering on about the need to be sinless interferes
with the ability of some, those who are perhaps not well grounded in their faith, to achieve
the sense of freedom, peace, and abundance we are promised in Christ. Jesus had a thing
or two to say about that, also. Such as it would be better if those who do such harm
had never been born. I wonder how seriously they take such verses.
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they suppose that everyone who has put their trust in God rather than themselves are the ones better off not being born.

it is indeed a "grievous error" sis
God will give them over to a debased mind ((Romans 1:28)) -- and that's mournful, but just.


Correction grievous unto him that forsaketh the way:​
he that hateth reproof shall die. ​
(Proverbs 15:10, akjv)​
 
Phoneman-777

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Yes...I agree...God did write that Law with his finger, but he also outlined the provisions of the Sabbath Law. None of which, calls for us to gather on the Sabbath.
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"Forsake not the gathering" says the apostle Paul. What "gathering"? Let's reason it out:

God commanded, "Six days shalt thou do all thy labor and all thy work" which means days 1-6 are WORK days including Sunday. Men got up in the morning and began a work day lasting from sun up to sundown. Nobody was getting up out of bed and "gathering" for a morning church service on days 1 - 6.

God commanded, "...but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. In it thou shalt do no work." Here, we have an entire day set aside giving men freedom from all labor and work with plenty of time to "gather" with the brethren. This day was/is the seventh day Sabbath day of rest, in which God said we are to demonstrate our spiritual rest in Christ by resting literally from our labor and work "as God did from His" literal work He made during the first six days of Creation (Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV).

Now, I ask you: when Paul says "forsake not the gathering", upon which day do you think this "gathering" refers to?
 
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posthuman said:
Paul says no one is justified in His sight because for those under the law it's only the doers and there are no doers but Christ

have you read a single verse of Romans other than 2:13??
because to anyone with the slightest sense of context you are being absolutely ridiculous.
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What's ridiculous is your refusal to acknowledge ALL the texts of Scripture, which is why religious confusion reigns supreme among you all.

Paul is clear that not the hearers of the law, but the doers of the law are justified in His sight. Please explain Paul's reasoning for saying this if it's not Biblical.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
What's ridiculous is your refusal to acknowledge ALL the texts of Scripture
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on what basis are you making that charge?

because i believe Galatians is scripture but you pretend it doesn't exist?
because i acknowledge there are more verses in Romans than 2:13?

ultimately because,denying myself, i have put my trust in God, Christ Jesus, who came, died and rose
knowing and publically affirming that salvation is by grace through faith, not of works?
that's exactly it - right? you despise salvation by faith -- so now you are accusing me on account of my having faith?
because i have told you the truth.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
Nobody was getting up out of bed and "gathering" for a morning church service on days 1 - 6.
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ok if you say so lol
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Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, ​
as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.​
(1 Corinthians 16:2)
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is it weird that doesn't read 'sabbath' ??
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Phoneman-777 said:
Paul is clear that not the hearers of the law, but the doers of the law are justified in His sight. Please explain Paul's reasoning for saying this if it's not Biblical.
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EASILY.

see Romans 3.

again, there is more content in Romans then the single verse 2:13 you would like the reader to suppose is the entire content of the treatise.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
acknowledge ALL the texts of Scripture
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would you like to explain to us the context of Romans 2:13?
maybe quote verse 1? maybe at the very least verse 12? or 14-15?
or would you like to go on pretending, for the sake of saving your own vain face, that the huge epistle to the Romans consists of only one verse?
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
God commanded, "...but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God. In it thou shalt do no work." Here, we have an entire day set aside giving men freedom from all labor and work with plenty of time to "gather" with the brethren. This day was/is the seventh day Sabbath day of rest, in which God said we are to demonstrate our spiritual rest in Christ by resting literally from our labor and work "as God did from His" literal work He made during the first six days of Creation (Hebrews 4:9-10 KJV).

Now, I ask you: when Paul says "forsake not the gathering", upon which day do you think this "gathering" refers to?
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Driving, biking, blading, skateboarding or other device-driven means of transportation are prohibited on Shabbat, and even walking has its limits. Jewish law sets the maximum walking range to 2,000 cubits (= 3,049.5 feet, = 0.596 miles, = 960 meters). Legalists! :rolleyes:
 
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Magenta said:
That's an unfounded assumption. In fact people do go to church throughout the week on work days.
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personally i wake up about 2 hours before work every weekday so i have time to read scripture, pray, and worship before i go about my obligations in the world.

people who hate salvation by faith presume i just seek after sin all day from morning to night just because i affirm the truth that i am not under law, but grace, through Christ. they know nothing.
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
acknowledge ALL the texts of Scripture
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now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.​
Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law.​
(Romans 3:21-28)

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wow this exists???? Romans is more than one out-of-context-verse????
whoah hmmm

interesting
 
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Phoneman-777 said:
acknowledge ALL the texts of Scripture
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you mention Romans 2:13 like it exists in a vacuum -- wanna talk about verse 26?
you think you are ready for vv. 28-29?

bruh what's God's definition of milk vs meat? your answer is sabbatarianism??? really??
lol. wow. gwan
 
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posthuman said:
you mention Romans 2:13 like it exists in a vacuum -- wanna talk about verse 26?

bruh what's God's definition of milk vs meat? your answer is sabbatarianism??? really??
lol. wow. gwan
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Sabbath idolaters make all kinds of ridiculous statements about the sanctity of their Sabbath.

Do you remember the guy who said it was breaking a commandment to worship God on Sunday?

Such nonsense. Of course no such law exists, and he knew it. But he could not admit the truth of the matter.

Pride is their Achilles heel.
 
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