Fulling expecting this to be a short thread !
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huh?
Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am,
that they may behold My glory which You have given Me
(John 17:24)
does this sound to you like He is worried sick about His own welfare? the idea that Almighty God is terrified of physical death sobbing for Himself and His impending 'momentary light affliction' unable to think about anything but how much it will probably hurt -- you don't find that bizarre?
but glorifying Christ "who for the joy set before Him willingly endured the cross" -- you think that is bizarre?
so bizarre you have decided you don't want to hear Christ glorified anymore?
you find it so strange that someone would hold Jesus Christ in great respect and awe that your plan is to plug your ears?
bro that is the bizarre thing.
the common 'poor, pitiful Jesus losing hope' trope & your reaction to hearing it challenged.
Father, I desire that they also whom You gave Me may be with Me where I am,
that they may behold My glory which You have given Me;
for You loved Me before the foundation of the world.
O righteous Father! The world has not known You,
but I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me.
(John 17:24-25)
the evidence suggests Christ is grieved over us being separated from Him.
i don't see anything in John 17 about Christ being worried about being separated from God or fretting about His own work.
it seems to mostly be about mankind, that He agonizes - tho there is a solid surety in these words about our being kept in Him.
2nd Timothy is interesting.
God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
(2 Timothy 1:7)
a natural question is whether God Himself, manifest in the flesh as Jesus Christ, has a spirit of fear, powerlessness, & hopelessness? (2 Timothy 1:7)
or does He have a spirit of power & love and of sound mind?
The fact that you think that it's funny that I unfollowed you tells me everything I need to know.
Brother...
I thought mostly like yourself until Post put up the Scriptures , and truly , my eyes was opened...
He is a faithful brother in Christ , do not separate yourself by cutting him off , that is what Satan loves , separation from each other...
I hope you change your mind...
So you agree that as a 12-year-old boy, as I was being molested by my scoutmaster, that when I feared being raped, murdered, and buried in the snow, that I WAS THE ONE WHO WAS SINNING? It was the single most terrifying moment I've ever experienced.
No. We are not Jesus the God/man along with you were a kid
Posthuman is teaching us that if WE are afraid, it means we lack in Faith and that fear of being raped, tortured, etc, is a sin.
Insane.
I disagree with your understanding.. I was scared my daddy was going to go to jail if i told about being molested. So i lied am i dammed for the fear or the lie NO i am saved by His Grace. And thankful i got away from Mr. Penny. We are not Christ. Bad guys broke into our home with a shotgun i was scared afraid i was an adult that too was not sin. we are human . Should the time come when my physical body is challenged for my faith in Christ i hope/pray i can be as Stephen. In our daily lives fear has a role we dont stick our hands through the fence that says beware of the dog... Most of us do not have the faith to tell the storm "be still' and have it obey. So we use the God given commons sense, or fear, to not go boating in a storm.
Huh. It doesn't sound like you disagree with me, but rather, agree. If anyone, you disagree with Posthuman.
This is not about the attack on you nor on me . We are not the Man/God Jesus was/is. I believe you are over thinking some of these posts, bring them onto yourself. Yes anyone under attack would show fear we are only human Christ is not " only Human" he is also God. I agree with Posthuman Jesus was not afraid. I agree with you in your fear.
You're not understanding what I am saying, which is that Posthuman is teaching that if we have fear of being tortured, we lack in Faith.
Go back and read this offensive thread.
Not at all...I missed the post of anyone who said it was because you sinned...
Why would you think I agreed , that is assuming brother...I am a survivor myself of such things , your arrow hurt me then...
I'm sorry that you felt I shot an arrow. I asked a clarifying question, which is evidence that I was not judging your heart (meaning that I felt that I understood your thoughts). I do not presume to know your thoughts, which is why I asked the clarifying question.
I think you are being a little petulant, and yes, I find that a little amusing.