DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC?

[Sudakar]

Many feel morally satisfied by clothing in a modest manner. That is a false satisfaction. Little do they realise clothing with fig leaves/fabric don't justify them morally before God. Only the blood of Jesus which denotes His perfect merits does justify both before God and humans.

Now, if only the blood of Jesus which denotes His perfect merits does justify both before God and humans, why do many reject deliverance from the forbidden knowledge of good & evil? Because their trust in Jesus is fake. They retain their moral sight in order to perform morally & try to earn their way to God instead of trusting in Jesus to take them to God.

 

[Live4Him2]

You have not refuted the following: "He was instead slain in order to pay for our names to be written in His book of life. So we need the Messiah the anointed One".

Choosing the knowledge of good & evil led to death (eternal separation from God). So without deliverance from that knowledge, no redemption is possible. Repent without wasting time.

Do you own a unicycle?

I ask because you remind me of a unicyclist in that you do a lot of back-pedaling in the midst of your act.

Like it or not, Jesus was LITERALLY "slain" as the Christ or Messiah approximately 2000 years ago, and his crucifixion was in perfect fulfillment of the actual timeframe which God himself laid out for us in his word:

Daniel chapter 9

[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

As far as "refuting" your quoted words is concerned, why would I need to?

After all, you're only proving my point while inadvertently refuting your own.

 

[posthuman]

Why were they were unashamed that is, why didn't they have moral guilt? Because they didn't have the forbidden knowledge of good & evil which is the moral knowledge!

that's what Satan says.
he tells Woman 'for God knows in the day you eat you will be like Him, knowing good from evil'
he is lying.

God does not say this.
after Adam changes her name to Eve, God says 'behold! Adam has become like one of us, knowing good from evil'

He doesn't say this about Woman, and He doesn't say this when they eat from the tree.
He says it about Adam, when Adam changes his wife's name.

so, God & Satan don't seem to agree about this 'knowing good from evil' thing -- and you seem to agree with Satan..?
do you agree with Satan & think God created mankind to be ignorant & amoral?
that God purposefully brought us into existence in order to hide wisdom & understanding from us?
that you gain understanding and wisdom and morality only by committing sin?

 

[Sudakar]

that's what Satan says.
he tells Woman 'for God knows in the day you eat you will be like Him, knowing good from evil'
he is lying.

God does not say this.
after Adam changes her name to Eve, God says 'behold! Adam has become like one of us, knowing good from evil'

He doesn't say this about Woman, and He doesn't say this when they eat from the tree.
He says it about Adam, when Adam changes his wife's name.

so, God & Satan don't seem to agree about this 'knowing good from evil' thing -- and you seem to agree with Satan..?
do you agree with Satan & think God created mankind to be ignorant & amoral?
that God purposefully brought us into existence in order to hide wisdom & understanding from us?
that you gain understanding and wisdom and morality only by committing sin?

God tells them they shall die if they have the forbidden knowledge of good and evil but satan says they shall not. You stand with satan & seem to say the same.

God cursed both Adam and Eve for starting to have the forbidden knowledge of good and evil.

 

[Sudakar]

Do you own a unicycle?

I ask because you remind me of a unicyclist in that you do a lot of back-pedaling in the midst of your act.

Like it or not, Jesus was LITERALLY "slain" as the Christ or Messiah approximately 2000 years ago, and his crucifixion was in perfect fulfillment of the actual timeframe which God himself laid out for us in his word:

Daniel chapter 9

[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[25] Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

As far as "refuting" your quoted words is concerned, why would I need to?

After all, you're only proving my point while inadvertently refuting your own.

Revelation 13:8: "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world".

Luke10:20: "but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven".

You cannot refute Jesus the Messiah whom the whole human race needs.

No deliverance from the knowledge of good and evil, no redemption.

 

[Magenta]

God has the knowledge of good and evil because He could comply with it but humans cannot & so it was prohibited
for humans. Humans are not God. So if you have the forbidden knowledge of good and evil you have lost the glory.

What do you mean by "lost the glory"?

 

[posthuman]

God tells them they shall die if they have the forbidden knowledge of good and evil but satan says they shall not. You stand with satan & seem to say the same.

God cursed both Adam and Eve for starting to have the forbidden knowledge of good and evil.

1. God never tells them they will die for knowledge. He tells Adam he will die if he eats of the tree.
2. I never said they didn't die or would not die; you are slandering me.
3. God never cursed Adam and God never cursed Eve. God cursed Satan and cursed the ground.
4. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, not the commiting of sin. It is Satan and Satan alone who says sin will make them like God. This is why God says of Adam he knows good from evil when Adam hears and believes the promise and acts on his faith in God, not when he eats of the tree.

 

[Oblio]

You can't fix stupid!

 

[Sudakar]

What do you mean by "lost the glory"?

Glory refers to the state of obedience wherein the knowledge of good and evil was absent from them.

 

[Sudakar]

1. God never tells them they will die for knowledge. He tells Adam he will die if he eats of the tree.
2. I never said they didn't die or would not die; you are slandering me.
3. God never cursed Adam and God never cursed Eve. God cursed Satan and cursed the ground.
4. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, not the commiting of sin. It is Satan and Satan alone who says sin will make them like God. This is why God says of Adam he knows good from evil when Adam hears and believes the promise and acts on his faith in God, not when he eats of the tree.

1) God tells them they will die for choosing the knowledge of good and evil. That's why He mentions knowledge of good and evil rather than call it just a fruit.

2) God cursed Adam and Eve. Example: Genesis 3:16: "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception".....

3) You are confusing between knowledge of Jesus (John17:3) & the forbidden knowledge of good and evil.

4) satan does not say sin will make them like God. Instead satan says the sin of having the knowledge of good and evil will make them like God: "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil (Genesis 3:5)".

5) God clarifies the knowledge of good and evil was initially prohibited: Genesis 3:11: "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"

 

[Magenta]

Glory refers to the state of obedience wherein the knowledge of good and evil was absent from them.

How can one lose what one does not possess?

 

[posthuman]

1) God tells them they will die for choosing the knowledge of good and evil. That's why He mentions knowledge of good and evil rather than call it just a fruit.

2) God cursed Adam and Eve. Example: Genesis 3:16: "Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception".....

3) You are confusing between knowledge of Jesus (John17:3) & the forbidden knowledge of good and evil.

4) satan does not say sin will make them like God. Instead satan says the sin of having the knowledge of good and evil will make them like God: "For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil (Genesis 3:5)".

5) God clarifies the knowledge of good and evil was initially prohibited: Genesis 3:11: "And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"

1. God does not call knowing good from evil a sin. He does not command us to have no knowledge of morality. He told Adam he must not 'eat of the tree' not that he must not 'have knowledge and understanding of ethics' - - Satan, lying, says "God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
2. God does not curse Adam and does not curse Eve. His judgments are not curses; He chastsises us for our benefit. God curses Satan. God curses the ground for Adam's sake.
3. God never forbids moral understanding. Satan, lying, tells Woman God does not want her to have wisdom.
4. Satan specifically says God lied to Woman because He does a not want her to be like Him, and says eating from the tree God commanded not to eat from will make her like God and give her wisdom.
5. God said do not eat from the tree. God did not say, do not have wisdom, knowledge of morality or ethical understanding. Satan, lying, tells Woman that God forbids these things.

 

[Diakonos]

Death frees you from the knowledge of good and evil or Christ's sacrifice frees you from the knowledge of good and evil?

Yes to both. They are not mutually exclusive.
Christ's sacrifice saves us in three steps: Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification.

1. Justification frees us from the penalty of sin.
2. Sanctification frees us from the power of sin.
3. Glorification frees us from the presence of sin.

I was justified when I died to the Law (past).
I am being sanctified as I die to self (present).
I will be glorified after I die in the body (future).

Christ's death made it possible for me to benefit from these three deaths I shall experience over the course of my life.

 

[Sudakar]

Yes to both. They are not mutually exclusive.
Christ's sacrifice saves us in three steps: Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification.

1. Justification frees us from the penalty of sin.
2. Sanctification frees us from the power of sin.
3. Glorification frees us from the presence of sin.

I was justified when I died to the Law (past).
I am being sanctified as I die to self (present).
I will be glorified after I die in the body (future).

Christ's death made it possible for me to benefit from these three deaths I shall experience over the course of my life.

At rapture none will die. So physical death is never necessary.

Secondly, sin gains life when one chooses the forbidden moral law (Romans7:9).

 

[MissyL]

the original statement were you promoting or discouraging a nudist colony. Among Europeans of Victorian thought women being dressed a certain way is more important than men. however some ancient cultures are not so persuaded. however i would say in general we should wear clothing in public

 

[Diakonos]

At rapture none will die. So physical death is never necessary.

You're right, I could have worded that better to account for the select group of raptured saints.
I should have said, "I will be glorified when my state of mortality dies (future)".

sin gains life when one chooses the forbidden moral law (Romans7:9)

Paul is speaking of the time he reached the level/age of accountability (when he "died").
This concept concerning "sin became alive" is a description of our fallen state, not our choices after being born again.

 

[Sudakar]

1. God does not call knowing good from evil a sin. He does not command us to have no knowledge of morality. He told Adam he must not 'eat of the tree' not that he must not 'have knowledge and understanding of ethics' - - Satan, lying, says "God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
2. God does not curse Adam and does not curse Eve. His judgments are not curses; He chastsises us for our benefit. God curses Satan. God curses the ground for Adam's sake.
3. God never forbids moral understanding. Satan, lying, tells Woman God does not want her to have wisdom.
4. Satan specifically says God lied to Woman because He does a not want her to be like Him, and says eating from the tree God commanded not to eat from will make her like God and give her wisdom.
5. God said do not eat from the tree. God did not say, do not have wisdom, knowledge of morality or ethical understanding. Satan, lying, tells Woman that God forbids these things.

1) When satan says 'God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil', he is deceiving by lying. So don't trust satan.

2) Your so called judgements were not blessings to humans who chose the knowledge of good & evil (kge). So repent.

3) You are confused between moral knowledge & wisdom. Wisdom is knowledge of Jesus. It was the prohibited moral knowledge which produced about their unclothed state & separated them from God.

4) Admit satan lied. Don't be on his side.

5) God wants humans to live by faith in Christ & not live by moral sight. So repent.

 

[Sudakar]

the original statement were you promoting or discouraging a nudist colony. Among Europeans of Victorian thought women being dressed a certain way is more important than men. however some ancient cultures are not so persuaded. however i would say in general we should wear clothing in public

So why didn't God create humans with clothing?

 

[Sudakar]

You're right, I could have worded that better to account for the select group of raptured saints.
I should have said, "I will be glorified when my state of mortality dies (future)".

Paul is speaking of the time he reached the level/age of accountability (when he "died").
This concept concerning "sin became alive" is a description of our fallen state, not our choices after being born again.

Martha looked to the day of resurrection but Jesus said "I am the resurrection & life". So why not focus on Jesus's merits for justification, sanctification & glorification?

None can be born again without dying by faith in Christ's death, to the forbidden knowledge of good & evil.

 

[Sudakar]

How can one lose what one does not possess?

So gain glory by obeying God's command to be dead to the knowledge of good & evil by faith in Christ's death.