DOES THE HOLY SPIRIT INSTRUCT US TO BE CLOTHED IN PUBLIC?

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I can't believe that I actually read the first 6 pages of this madness.

Well, I might as well say something...

Don't you realise if Adam Eve hadn't chosen the forbidden knowledge of good & evil, churches would be filled with unclothed people in public?
That is just nuts.
Explain why it's nuts.
Well, one reason "why it's nuts" is that "if Adam and Eve hadn't chosen the forbidden knowledge of good & evil", then there'd be no need for a Christ, or Messiah, or Savior because sin would have never entered into this world, nor would there be any need for "churches" to "be filled with unclothed people".

Got it?

Anyhow, it's rather obvious that God wants us clothed in this present evil world.

How can we know for sure?

Well, for starters, God is the one who made the first clothes in the garden of Eden:

"Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them." (Genesis 3:21)

Beyond that, we have such Holy Spirit inspired scriptures (II Tim. 3:16-17) as the following to consider:

Matthew chapter 6

[25] Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
[26] Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
[27] Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
[28] And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
[29] And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
[30] Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
[31] Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
[32] (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
[33] But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
[34] Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

JESUS CHRIST said that "our heavenly Father knows that we have need of all these things" (vs. 32), and "these things" include "raiment" (vss. 25, 28) that we "put on" (vs. 25) or are "clothed" (vss. 30-31) with. In fact, JESUS CHRIST said that it is only those with "little faith" (vs. 30) who doubt that "he" (vs. 30) or God shall "clothe" (vs. 30) us with the same. Furthermore, JESUS CHRIST said that "all these things shall be added unto us" (vs. 33) by "our heavenly Father" (vs. 32) if we "seek first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness" (vs. 33).

Seeing how God himself knows that we need "raiment" or clothing which he himself shall provide for those who possess "FAITH", why are you going on with your nonsense?

Have you "little faith" or no "faith" at all?

Are you "seeking first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness" that God himself might "clothe" you?

Seriously, go hang your head in shame.

JESUS CHRIST also said the following:

Matthew chapter 25

[31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

JESUS CHRIST said that "his sheep" (vs. 32), or those who are "blessed of his Father" (vs. 34) and will "inherit the kingdom" (vs. 34), are those who saw JESUS "naked, and clothed him" (vss. 36, 38). Yes, as JESUS CHRIST said, "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me" (vs. 40).

Conversely, JESUS CHRIST said that it is "the goats" (vs. 32), or those who are "cursed" (vs. 41) and are headed "into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" (vs. 41) or "into everlasting punishment" (vs. 46), who saw JESUS "naked, and clothed him not" (vs. 43). Yes, as JESUS CHRIST said, "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me" (vs. 45).

With such in mind, what is your deal?

Are you here to turn people into hell-bound goats?

Repent of your nonsense, and stop literally being an antichrist in that you're currently in opposition to the actual teachings of JESUS CHRIST.

I'll close with this:

James chapter 2

[14] What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[15] If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[16] And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[17] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Those who are "naked" (vs. 15) are lacking that by which they might "be warmed" (vs. 16) or "those things which are needful to the body" (vs. 16).

It is those whose "faith has not works" (vs. 17), and is therefore "dead, being alone" (vs. 17), who would deprive the "naked" (vs. 15) of such things.

Do you have a "dead faith"?

It seems so to me.

Here's my solemn advice to you:

Walk away from your keyboard, put on some clothes, and get on your knees before God while genuinely repenting of your NONSENSE here.

For crying out loud, man, the harvest is perishing in the field, and rather than attempting to seek and to save that which is lost, you're looking to turn the planet into one big nudist colony.

You need a lot of help.

God's grace is sufficient...IF you repent.
 
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If you don't use the knowledge of good and evil which Jesus delivered us from, in order to judge your thoughts & its Christ & not you who lives in you, why do you hesitate from being delivered from the knowledge of good and evil?
 
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disagree strongly.
in point of fact, it's possibly the only relevant thing in the entire thread, m8.




why does God wear clothes?

this shall be a sign unto you:
ye shall find The Babe wrapped in swaddling clothes
(Luke 2:12)
It does not address the OP.
 
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They do acquire it. I didn't say they were born with it- they acquire it after they are born- but they don't choose to acquire it, they just do.


Wrong again. Just because you aren't under the schoolmaster, that doesn't mean you forget the schoolmaster... any more than you forget your parents after you aren't under their power... or your old bosses when they retire (if you liked them anyway).

You can't just forget moral knowledge, that's dumb- and if you have faith, your moral knowledge is going to increase with your faith; not the other way around. Nobody comes to God and whips their clothes off because of their newfound liberty in Christ. That's not how it works.
Babies, as they grow do choose to acquire it, because they refuse to part with it & thus disobey God's offer of deliverance from the knowledge of good and evil.

You said "Just because you aren't under the schoolmaster, that doesn't mean you forget the schoolmaster". But God's word says "Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ (Romans7:4)". The dead have absolutely no connection to the living. But uou choose to judge your thoughts by using the forbidden knowledge of good and evil.
 
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We were created to be clothed in Him.
You are confusing between being clothed in Christ's righteousness & being clothed with fabric/fig leaves. The knowledge of good and evil condemns you making you flee from God & no fabric is going to justify you.
 
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How do they choose it and then die because of it if they do not acquire it?
You wrongly assume humans are not responsible for disobeying God by choosing the knowledge of good and evil.
 
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I read through this thread and it is wonderfully wacky. *


* I write this while gratefully acknowledging I did learn some things while reading the many thoughtful, passionate, sincere and carefully researched responses submitted.
God's command in Genesis 2:17 isn't wacky. It has eternal consequences.
 
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I still don't see in the bible that the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden but rather eating of the fruit was forbidden.
It was not only a fruit but one which gave them the forbidden knowledge of good and evil. "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil (Genesis 3:22)".

The knowledge of good and evil was indeed forbidden.
 

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Babies, as they grow do choose to acquire it, because they refuse to part with it & thus disobey God's offer of deliverance from the knowledge of good and evil.
Please put this gnostic garbage in the trash can where it belongs.
You said "Just because you aren't under the schoolmaster, that doesn't mean you forget the schoolmaster". But God's word says "Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ (Romans7:4)". The dead have absolutely no connection to the living.
Does a surviving spouse not mourn the dead? And did not the blood of Abel, being dead, still speak, calling on the living God; from the ground? This doctrine of yours has no scriptural foundation.
 
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I can't believe that I actually read the first 6 pages of this madness.

Well, I might as well say something...




Well, one reason "why it's nuts" is that "if Adam and Eve hadn't chosen the forbidden knowledge of good & evil", then there'd be no need for a Christ, or Messiah, or Savior because sin would have never entered into this world, nor would there be any need for "churches" to "be filled with unclothed people".

Got it?

Anyhow, it's rather obvious that God wants us clothed in this present evil world.

How can we know for sure?

Well, for starters, God is the one who made the first clothes in the garden of Eden:

"Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them." (Genesis 3:21)

Beyond that, we have such Holy Spirit inspired scriptures (II Tim. 3:16-17) as the following to consider:

Matthew chapter 6

[25] Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?
[26] Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?
[27] Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
[28] And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:
[29] And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.
[30] Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
[31] Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
[32] (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
[33] But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
[34] Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

JESUS CHRIST said that "our heavenly Father knows that we have need of all these things" (vs. 32), and "these things" include "raiment" (vss. 25, 28) that we "put on" (vs. 25) or are "clothed" (vss. 30-31) with. In fact, JESUS CHRIST said that it is only those with "little faith" (vs. 30) who doubt that "he" (vs. 30) or God shall "clothe" (vs. 30) us with the same. Furthermore, JESUS CHRIST said that "all these things shall be added unto us" (vs. 33) by "our heavenly Father" (vs. 32) if we "seek first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness" (vs. 33).

Seeing how God himself knows that we need "raiment" or clothing which he himself shall provide for those who possess "FAITH", why are you going on with your nonsense?

Have you "little faith" or no "faith" at all?

Are you "seeking first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness" that God himself might "clothe" you?

Seriously, go hang your head in shame.

JESUS CHRIST also said the following:

Matthew chapter 25

[31] When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
[32] And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
[33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
[34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

JESUS CHRIST said that "his sheep" (vs. 32), or those who are "blessed of his Father" (vs. 34) and will "inherit the kingdom" (vs. 34), are those who saw JESUS "naked, and clothed him" (vss. 36, 38). Yes, as JESUS CHRIST said, "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me" (vs. 40).

Conversely, JESUS CHRIST said that it is "the goats" (vs. 32), or those who are "cursed" (vs. 41) and are headed "into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" (vs. 41) or "into everlasting punishment" (vs. 46), who saw JESUS "naked, and clothed him not" (vs. 43). Yes, as JESUS CHRIST said, "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me" (vs. 45).

With such in mind, what is your deal?

Are you here to turn people into hell-bound goats?

Repent of your nonsense, and stop literally being an antichrist in that you're currently in opposition to the actual teachings of JESUS CHRIST.

I'll close with this:

James chapter 2

[14] What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
[15] If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
[16] And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
[17] Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
[18] Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
[20] But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Those who are "naked" (vs. 15) are lacking that by which they might "be warmed" (vs. 16) or "those things which are needful to the body" (vs. 16).

It is those whose "faith has not works" (vs. 17), and is therefore "dead, being alone" (vs. 17), who would deprive the "naked" (vs. 15) of such things.

Do you have a "dead faith"?

It seems so to me.

Here's my solemn advice to you:

Walk away from your keyboard, put on some clothes, and get on your knees before God while genuinely repenting of your NONSENSE here.

For crying out loud, man, the harvest is perishing in the field, and rather than attempting to seek and to save that which is lost, you're looking to turn the planet into one big nudist colony.

You need a lot of help.

God's grace is sufficient...IF you repent.
Adam and Eve were in God's most holy presence & which is church. If humans hadn't chosen the forbidden knowledge of good and evil, none would have been clothed.

God wants us to be first delivered from the knowledge of good and evil by faith in Christ's sacrifice according to Romans7:4,6 before being clothed.

"Coats of skin" does not refer to fabric clothing but refers to faith in Christ's sacrifice. Don't be confused.

You can't prove your faith to be alive before others by offering clothes to wear with lust in your heart invisible to others!
 
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God knows good and evil. He is never without His glory.
God has the knowledge of good and evil because He could comply with it but humans cannot & so it was prohibited for humans. Humans are not God. So if you have the forbidden knowledge of good and evil you have lost the glory.
 

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You can't prove your faith to be alive before others by offering clothes to wear with lust in your heart invisible to others!
Obviously you can, because that's what Jesus said to do.
 
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Please put this gnostic garbage in the trash can where it belongs.

Does a surviving spouse not mourn the dead? And did not the blood of Abel, being dead, still speak, calling on the living God; from the ground? This doctrine of yours has no scriptural foundation.
"Please put this gnostic garbage in the trash can where it belongs". This begs the question. Circular.

Babies choosing the knowledge of good and evil as they grow up is a well evident reality as babies don't clothe themselves.

Surviving spouses mourn for the dead because they miss the dead. You ought not but rather believe you are delivered from the knowledge of good and evil. "But now we are delivered from the law (Romans7:6)". You don't miss a disease after you are delivered.

The blood of Abel accuses. You miss the accusations of the knowledge of good and evil against you?
 
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Agreed, God’s not wacky.
You however my friend, I am not so sure about. Nevertheless, I wish you the best. God Bless you.
You cannot be sure of yourself too. But God's word says choosing the knowledge of good and evil led to eternal separation from God.
 

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If you don't use the knowledge of good and evil which Jesus delivered us from, in order to judge your thoughts & its Christ & not you who lives in you, why do you hesitate from being delivered from the knowledge of good and evil?
I have the mind of Christ and the Holy Spirit is sanctifying me, daily. My mind will be renewed as I conform to the likeness of Jesus.
When God calls the saints home, He will set me free from this body of death along with every shadow of the curse of Adam's sin.