Why is God's Name NOT in the Bible?

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od hears the prayers of all honest hearted humans no matter what race, ethnicity, or national origin. He is not partial the Bible states. Acts 10:34, 35, John 9:31 There are Jews that have loved Yahweh all their life as have some of their descendants. Do you think he heard you ask that question and read your intentions?
 
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Why did the 1611 KJV leave God's name out of Exodus 3:15? The Hebrew is clear as day: "God said moreover to Moses, 'You shall tell the children of Israel this, Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations.' "

"Yahweh" is in the Hebrew. Why did the KJV leave it out? And don't say because the KJV is perfect and we can't question it.
Who said it was perfect? Common sense tells us that man touched it and therefore it isn't perfect. You , in a leftist manner, injected that for diversion purposes.
I can give you many parables where God's name is not entered....and?
 

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Did God say His Name is IAM???

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ” 15Moreover God said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel: ‘The Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’

Does God say that IAM is the Name for all generations or did HE say:
Elohim Abraham
Elohim Issac
Elohim Jacob
This is My name forever, and this is My memorial to all generations.’
Exo 3.15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.

Exo 6.3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the Lord I did not make myself fully known to them.

Lev 22.32 Do not profane my holy name, for I must be acknowledged as holy by the Israelites. I am the Lord, who made you holy

Isa 42.8 I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob knew the Lord as God, the Creator. Moses came to know the Lord as the LORD, Yahweh.

Capitalized LORD is fitting because God is addressed as our Lord. And capitalizing it lets us know that His lordship includes the name He gave Moses. Yahweh indicates that He exists, and that He expressed His holiness to Moses by laws of human conduct.

His name, therefore, is to express the correct identity of God by indicating His *holiness.* It is holiness that marks Him as the one true God. And as such, naming God has everything to do with identifying Him with our legal conduct in His presence.

We may call God a number of other names, including Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. However, these all relate back to the one true God who is defined by His exclusive holiness, and by the true display of His holiness.

One thing corrupt Christians and non-Christians have in common is this. They legalize everything God claims to require of us, and yet deny His holy character is present in our lives. The spiritual experience is mystical, but not suggestive of Divine character itself.

Jesus suggested that we must partake of the Divine Nature by abiding in him as a branch clings to a vine. We must be connecting to him so that we reproduce the spiritual fruits of God's good character in our lives, and not just by perfunctory performances under the Law.

False cults and false religions are purely legalistic in their expression of God, and cannot imitate what can only come in the form of a changed character, expressing the fruits of love, kindness, gentleness, patience, self-restraint, and the like. We know what God's name means when we recognize His holy character, not just in Him, but also in our own character.

This is, I believe, what God referred to by His name being Yahweh. It is the meaning in terms of holiness that identified Him as God, and not the actual grammatical form of the name. What it meant was what God's name meant to Moses, and so it is still expressed as such in the form of LORD so that even though the vowels have been lost, we can still produce a word that means the same thing that Yahweh meant to say. He is the one true God who is our Lord and who alone displays His holy character.
 

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Ok then JeffA, the problem you have with translation of the bible has already been remedied with this Holy Name Bible translation. Is your endeavor truly to change every translation? To destroy all other translations?
Every word of Godis pure (tried; tested; refined).- Prov 30:5
This probably makes my point as well as anything.
So don't you think any translation should be accurate?
 

Mem

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Every word of Godis pure (tried; tested; refined).- Prov 30:5
This probably makes my point as well as anything.
So don't you think any translation should be accurate?
Well, the problem come for me me in that you claim there is no "v" sound in the Hebrew whereas my teacher claims there is no "w" sound. Who then should I believe? Obviously, you would say that I should believe you, of course, but I do trust my instructor's extensive studies.
 
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God hears the prayers of all honest hearted humans no matter what race, ethnicity, or national origin. He is not partial the Bible states. Acts 10:34, 35, John 9:31 There are Jews that have loved Yahweh all their life as have some of their descendants. Do you think he heard you ask that question and read your intentions?
Amen - God is Sovereign and absolutely SEES an HEARS ALL things pertaining to HIS Creation.

Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall according to the same example of disobedience. For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.

Is Yahweh waiting for the Jewish nation to say 'Yahweh' or pray in the name 'Yahweh' for them to inherit eternal life?
Are the Jewish people complete in Him and all they are missing is this 'Yahweh' in pronunciation?

If, in everyplace in scripture, we were to replace Lord for Yahweh/Yahuah, where is was originally removed - what would change?
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Please clarify/illustrate in point those changes - thank you
 
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Hi Brother David. Here is the same Isa 43:11 that you quoted in another translation: "I, even I, am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me." Yahweh is our Savior! Yeshua, the Word of Yahweh, is One with Yahweh, and is the Great I AM Himself in the Flesh. Yeshua is our God and Savior and so is Yahweh.

If you read Revelation, the Angels sing Hallelujah. Hallelujah means, "All Glory be to Yahweh". That shows God can still be praised as Yahweh in the New Covenant. God said His Name Yahweh was for All Generations. There is thus no contradiction imho in Glorifying God as Yahweh, the Father, and Yeshua, the Son/Word, in the Unity of the Holy Spirit.

As we know, the Holy Trinity is YHWH, the Word of YHWH and the Spirit of YHWH. Psa 33:6 says "By the Word of Yahweh were the Heavens made, and all the Host (Angels) of them by the Breath (Spirit) of His Mouth (Word)". The Three Persons Who are One God are evident right from Genesis, for e.g. in Gen 18:1-3. Abraham sees Three Men but salutes Them as One Lord God, Yahweh. In the New Covenant, the Son was named Yeshua, because by His Incarnation, He had become our Savior. He is one with Father and Spirit.

The Patriarch Abraham, the Prophet Moses, King David, and other OT heroes and Saints of our Faith, referred to God as Yahweh, even while giving many prophecies of His Son Yeshua to come. We can continue to honor and worship both Father and Son imho.

When we read Holy Name Bibles, we see familiar verses in a New Light, which can be helpful to our Personal Devotion. For e.g.

"Yahweh is my Shepherd; I shall not want"
"Yahweh is my Light and my Salvation"
"Yahweh is my Rock and my Refuge"
"Bless Yahweh, O my Soul, and all within me bless His Holy Name".

When one calls on the Eternal Father by His Holy Name, one not only remembers His Great and Awesome Works through so many generations for Millenia, but also one experiences great Divine Intimacy with both Father and Son, and the Holy Spirit as well.

I like the KJV, it is a Great Translation on the whole. But I feel the Holy Name Bibles get it right on this particular point. God Bless.

The Jews have not called God by His Name for 2000 years. Has it brought them to Salvation in Christ? Nope. Maybe God is waiting for them to start calling Him by His Name Yahweh, with Deep Faith, Devotion and Love, in order to lift the veil from their eyes, and teach them the Truth that Yeshua is One with Yahweh? Yahweh is our Savior, and He will save Israel one day. Isa 43:11 has said so.

In Christ,
N. Xavier.
You said: "When one calls on the Eternal Father by His Holy Name, one not only remembers His Great and Awesome Works through so many generations for Millenia, but also one experiences great Divine Intimacy with both Father and Son, and the Holy Spirit as well.

I like the KJV, it is a Great Translation on the whole. But I feel the Holy Name Bibles get it right on this particular point. God Bless.

The Jews have not called God by His Name for 2000 years. Has it brought them to Salvation in Christ? Nope. Maybe God is waiting for them to start calling Him by His Name Yahweh, with Deep Faith, Devotion and Love, in order to lift the veil from their eyes, and teach them the Truth that Yeshua is One with Yahweh? Yahweh is our Savior, and He will save Israel one day. Isa 43:11 has said so. "

A.) Maybe rethink these things to see if they AGREE with Yahweh for the Scripture says: "How can two walk together unless they agree"
B.) I do not care for the KJV
C.) "He will save Israel one day" and I AGREE with you.

What does Isaiah 43:11-14 it mean to you and has this been already accomplished by Yahweh?
You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
I, even I, am the Lord,
And besides Me there is no savior.
I have declared and saved,
I have proclaimed,
And there was no foreign god among you;
Therefore you are My witnesses,”
Says the Lord, “that I am God.
Indeed before the day was, I am He;
And there is no one who can deliver out of My hand;
I work, and who will reverse it?”
Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
The Holy One of Israel:
 
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Exo 3.15 God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ “This is my name forever, the name you shall call me from generation to generation.

Exo 6.3 I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac and to Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name the Lord I did not make myself fully known to them.

Lev 22.32 Do not profane my holy name, for I must be acknowledged as holy by the Israelites. I am the Lord, who made you holy

Isa 42.8 I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another or my praise to idols.

Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob knew the Lord as God, the Creator. Moses came to know the Lord as the LORD, Yahweh.

Capitalized LORD is fitting because God is addressed as our Lord. And capitalizing it lets us know that His lordship includes the name He gave Moses. Yahweh indicates that He exists, and that He expressed His holiness to Moses by laws of human conduct.

His name, therefore, is to express the correct identity of God by indicating His *holiness.* It is holiness that marks Him as the one true God. And as such, naming God has everything to do with identifying Him with our legal conduct in His presence.

We may call God a number of other names, including Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. However, these all relate back to the one true God who is defined by His exclusive holiness, and by the true display of His holiness.

One thing corrupt Christians and non-Christians have in common is this. They legalize everything God claims to require of us, and yet deny His holy character is present in our lives. The spiritual experience is mystical, but not suggestive of Divine character itself.

Jesus suggested that we must partake of the Divine Nature by abiding in him as a branch clings to a vine. We must be connecting to him so that we reproduce the spiritual fruits of God's good character in our lives, and not just by perfunctory performances under the Law.

False cults and false religions are purely legalistic in their expression of God, and cannot imitate what can only come in the form of a changed character, expressing the fruits of love, kindness, gentleness, patience, self-restraint, and the like. We know what God's name means when we recognize His holy character, not just in Him, but also in our own character.

This is, I believe, what God referred to by His name being Yahweh. It is the meaning in terms of holiness that identified Him as God, and not the actual grammatical form of the name. What it meant was what God's name meant to Moses, and so it is still expressed as such in the form of LORD so that even though the vowels have been lost, we can still produce a word that means the same thing that Yahweh meant to say. He is the one true God who is our Lord and who alone displays His holy character.
BEAUTIFUL and Thank You

Meditate on Exodus 3:14-16 for Yahweh gave clarity to His Name for ALL generations.

The Glorious Manifestation of His Name = Elohim Abrahm Elohim Isaac Elohim Jacob is the Glorious Manifestation of the Gospel.

Meditate on the Gospel of John and Acts

Meditate on Isaiah ch43

Meditate on this: Jesus said: And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

Did Jesus teach the disciples of who He is or who Yahweh is?
What is this "holy character" of Yahweh and is there someone who best explains it for us?
Did Jesus come so that we may return to Yahweh? If Yes, then what is the Way?
 
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Did Jesus teach the disciples of who He is or who Yahweh is?
What is this "holy character" of Yahweh and is there someone who best explains it for us?
Did Jesus come so that we may return to Yahweh? If Yes, then what is the Way?
Jesus didn't need to teach anybody about who YHVH is, they all knew. That's the holy name of God that the Jews didn't dare to utter. When he declared "before Abraham, I AM," that triggered an outrage from the Pharisees to stone him.
 
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Jesus didn't need to teach anybody about who YHVH is, they all knew. That's the holy name of God that the Jews didn't dare to utter. When he declared "before Abraham, I AM," that triggered an outrage from the Pharisees to stone him.
How do you know that "they all knew YHVH"???
Why was there no need for Jesus to teach about YHVH???
What, in fact, did Jesus teach then???
 

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Who said it was perfect? Common sense tells us that man touched it and therefore it isn't perfect. You , in a leftist manner, injected that for diversion purposes.
I can give you many parables where God's name is not entered....and?
Okay, I'm a bad guy, granted. Now, why didn't the KJV accurately translate Exodus 3:15?
 

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Posting in forums/chats pushing 30 years this is by far the one of the post mean spirited threads i have come across. Others have been very ugly but with merit to be so. A simple direct discussion of the Name of God being used to bring out such animosity surprised me. How dumb to be surprised at anything in Christian forums. :eek:
 
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Okay, I'm a bad guy, granted. Now, why didn't the KJV accurately translate Exodus 3:15?
It did...to God's standard/desire.

Te Bible is the road map for you and I to transition from this physical life to the spiritual world. God would be unfair if it did not meet our needs....IT DOES.
 

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Who said it was perfect? Common sense tells us that man touched it and therefore
it isn't perfect. You , in a leftist manner, injected that for diversion purposes.
There you go with your "leftist" propaganda again :oops:

Stick around. You may yet meet those who claim the KJV -and the KJV only- is perfect.
 

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Well, the problem come for me me in that you claim there is no "v" sound in the Hebrew whereas my teacher claims there is no "w" sound. Who then should I believe? Obviously, you would say that I should believe you, of course, but I do trust my instructor's extensive studies.
Correct. I agree.
There is no V sound in Ancient Hebrew. It is in Modern Hebrew, though.
There is also no W sound in Ancient Hebrew. It carried a long U sound. Thus YaHuaH, the final H having the "ah" sound.
Notably, the word Yahweh does have a W sound (and I don't know where the e came from.
This is why I don't ascribe to Yahweh. Who knows, though? I'm only stating where I stand so far in my walk in truth.
I hope to be enlightened to many truths that I'm not aware of at this point.
God Bless You for being part of it. Thanks.
 

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Amen and thanks for your interest. I believe you are right about Jesus speaking Aramaic mostly.
You are most certainly right about God knowing all.
We are reasonably sure that Jesus knew ancient Hebrew because of his knowledge of scripture. Of course, at that time, the Old Testament was the only "scripture". This is also the scripture that I was referring to.

Now we know that the name YHWH was written in scripture around 6,800 times and referred to God's name.
We know that it was spoken aloud. for example, Sarah, Leah, and many others.
These are in quotes, in the scripture. Thousands of times. Hard to deny.

So, it is ludicrous to claim that YHWH could not be pronounced.
Similarly, you would have to be a mental contortionist to think that God was hiding his name on purpose.

I would warn people against throwing out the old testament because it is the basis for the new testament.
It was Jesus' own resource.

I thank you again for your interest in the subject and please know that this is not a rebuttal to anything you have stated.
It's just what is on my mind at the moment and you are a good listener :)
“So, it is ludicrous to claim that YHWH could not be pronounced.
Similarly, you would have to be a mental contortionist to think that God was hiding his name on purpose.

I would warn people against throwing out the old testament because it is the basis for the new testament.”

no ones throwing out anything , the New Testament is what makes sense of the old lol because of this

“but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament;

which vail is done away in Christ.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

who blinded them and later took away the veil ?

the Old Testament is necassary it’s also blinding to who God really is and also never speaks the name above all it provides eternal salvation. You have to look at Jesus and the gospel to know God, be saved or understand the Old Testament. Because again as pauls saying the Old Testament is like looking through a veil , the New Testament is where it’s taken away and one can actually see
 

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I am talking about the right way to pronounce YHWH. That "right" way can only be determined by the rules of ancient Hebrew. Of course we know that we are actually talking about the "right" way to pronounce the image below, not YHWH.

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And how do we determine this? By either educating ourselves to ancient Hebrew language and rules and all of the questions regarding this topic or by listening to the majority of experts who seem to have formed a consensus on the subject long ago and who's opinions would be the best method for drawing a conclusion on the matter of "how do we pronounce this name correctly." So in this case YES, education and the majority of expert opinion determines the closest to the "right" way one can conclude on this matter.

What would you suggest one should do to determine the "right" way to pronounce this name? Listen to a fringe group non expert, or one individual on a youtube video? What would be the correct method besides listening the majority of PhDs of ancient Hebrew Language? I am at a loss to your thoughts and what you are trying to express if you think this is not the best method?
what is the name Above all names and the only that provides salvation to those who call upon that name ?
 

Mem

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Correct. I agree.
There is no V sound in Ancient Hebrew. It is in Modern Hebrew, though.
There is also no W sound in Ancient Hebrew. It carried a long U sound. Thus YaHuaH, the final H having the "ah" sound.
Notably, the word Yahweh does have a W sound (and I don't know where the e came from.
This is why I don't ascribe to Yahweh. Who knows, though? I'm only stating where I stand so far in my walk in truth.
I hope to be enlightened to many truths that I'm not aware of at this point.
God Bless You for being part of it. Thanks.
Thank you for the opportunity and the privilege.

Admittedly, I was expecting a discredit of JJP through assignment to the Pharisaical collective but comforted to see that not being the case. I arrived at my trust in his guidance having noted his deep personal commitment to and adoration of Jesus. As I mentioned, his studies are far more extensive than my own so I'll provide a link to a starting point which reading contains within it many more links to tributaries of thought on this subject here:
Names of God

Unless it has gone over my head that it is only a rhetorical question, of course, under the subheading, "Names Revealed in the Tanakh," you'll find a link to the page YHVH offering an answer to your question posed in this thread wherein JJP claims that neither Jehovah nor Yahweh are correct pronunianciation and why, though neither does he offer any other 'correct' transliteration.
 
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How do you know that "they all knew YHVH"???
Why was there no need for Jesus to teach about YHVH???
What, in fact, did Jesus teach then???
John 8:57-59. They attempted to stone him because they recognized the name immediately and accused Jesus of blasphemy.
 
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John 8:57-59. They attempted to stone him because they recognized the name immediately and accused Jesus of blasphemy.
Brother - thank you
Yes i am quite familiar with John ch8, and you are correct in that they recognized the name.

Here are my questions again = look carefully - Peace

How do you know that "they all knew YHVH"???
Why was there no need for Jesus to teach about YHVH???
What, in fact, did Jesus teach then???