Why is God's Name NOT in the Bible?

[Beckie]

BAck again to me speaking English... Seems to me God knew/knows there would be people speaking Spanish, French, German ETC. . I think Jesus spoke Aramaic mostly. Which was the language of that time and place. So much of this just seems plain ol silly. Yet here i am reading

 

[JeffA]

BAck again to me speaking English... Seems to me God knew/knows there would be people speaking Spanish, French, German ETC. . I think Jesus spoke Aramaic mostly. Which was the language of that time and place. So much of this just seems plain ol silly. Yet here i am reading

Amen and thanks for your interest. I believe you are right about Jesus speaking Aramaic mostly.
You are most certainly right about God knowing all.
We are reasonably sure that Jesus knew ancient Hebrew because of his knowledge of scripture. Of course, at that time, the Old Testament was the only "scripture". This is also the scripture that I was referring to.

Now we know that the name YHWH was written in scripture around 6,800 times and referred to God's name.
We know that it was spoken aloud. for example, Sarah, Leah, and many others.
These are in quotes, in the scripture. Thousands of times. Hard to deny.

So, it is ludicrous to claim that YHWH could not be pronounced.
Similarly, you would have to be a mental contortionist to think that God was hiding his name on purpose.

I would warn people against throwing out the old testament because it is the basis for the new testament.
It was Jesus' own resource.

I thank you again for your interest in the subject and please know that this is not a rebuttal to anything you have stated.
It's just what is on my mind at the moment and you are a good listener

 

[Beckie]

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I would warn people against throwing out the old testament because it is the basis for the new testament.
It was Jesus' own resource.

Amen

Did God tell Moses not to use or write it so it could not be said?

 

[DavidTree]

Hi Brother David. Here is the same Isa 43:11 that you quoted in another translation: "I, even I, am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me." Yahweh is our Savior! Yeshua, the Word of Yahweh, is One with Yahweh, and is the Great I AM Himself in the Flesh. Yeshua is our God and Savior and so is Yahweh.

If you read Revelation, the Angels sing Hallelujah. Hallelujah means, "All Glory be to Yahweh". That shows God can still be praised as Yahweh in the New Covenant. God said His Name Yahweh was for All Generations. There is thus no contradiction imho in Glorifying God as Yahweh, the Father, and Yeshua, the Son/Word, in the Unity of the Holy Spirit.

As we know, the Holy Trinity is YHWH, the Word of YHWH and the Spirit of YHWH. Psa 33:6 says "By the Word of Yahweh were the Heavens made, and all the Host (Angels) of them by the Breath (Spirit) of His Mouth (Word)". The Three Persons Who are One God are evident right from Genesis, for e.g. in Gen 18:1-3. Abraham sees Three Men but salutes Them as One Lord God, Yahweh. In the New Covenant, the Son was named Yeshua, because by His Incarnation, He had become our Savior. He is one with Father and Spirit.

The Patriarch Abraham, the Prophet Moses, King David, and other OT heroes and Saints of our Faith, referred to God as Yahweh, even while giving many prophecies of His Son Yeshua to come. We can continue to honor and worship both Father and Son imho.

When we read Holy Name Bibles, we see familiar verses in a New Light, which can be helpful to our Personal Devotion. For e.g.

"Yahweh is my Shepherd; I shall not want"
"Yahweh is my Light and my Salvation"
"Yahweh is my Rock and my Refuge"
"Bless Yahweh, O my Soul, and all within me bless His Holy Name".

When one calls on the Eternal Father by His Holy Name, one not only remembers His Great and Awesome Works through so many generations for Millenia, but also one experiences great Divine Intimacy with both Father and Son, and the Holy Spirit as well.

I like the KJV, it is a Great Translation on the whole. But I feel the Holy Name Bibles get it right on this particular point. God Bless.

The Jews have not called God by His Name for 2000 years. Has it brought them to Salvation in Christ? Nope. Maybe God is waiting for them to start calling Him by His Name Yahweh, with Deep Faith, Devotion and Love, in order to lift the veil from their eyes, and teach them the Truth that Yeshua is One with Yahweh? Yahweh is our Savior, and He will save Israel one day. Isa 43:11 has said so.

In Christ,
N. Xavier.

Is Yahweh the One who appeared to Moses?

 

[JeffA]

Amen

Did God tell Moses not to use or write it so it could not be said?

Good point!

Let me bounce this off of you then.

As for the pronunciation, I am currently in the camp of "Yahuah" rather than "Yahweh". Both are similar.
Maybe it is because I have not fully vetted the argument on the "Yahweh" side. I hope to get around to that.
I am sure of this, though. I take no man's word for either side. You could have a PhD in the study of everything and it would not make you correct on a subject. There are those that "say they are Yahudim and are not, but do lie."
This is probably a very minor dispute anyway.
I usually don't like to be in the "undecided" camp on anything but I also don't mind switching camps. That, to me, is a sign of progress.
Peace to you.

 

[DavidTree]

Good point!

Let me bounce this off of you then.

As for the pronunciation, I am currently in the camp of "Yahuah" rather than "Yahweh". Both are similar.
Maybe it is because I have not fully vetted the argument on the "Yahweh" side. I hope to get around to that.
I am sure of this, though. I take no man's word for either side. You could have a PhD in the study of everything and it would not make you correct on a subject. There are those that "say they are Yahudim and are not, but do lie."
This is probably a very minor dispute anyway.
I usually don't like to be in the "undecided" camp on anything but I also don't mind switching camps. That, to me, is a sign of progress.
Peace to you.

If, in everyplace in scripture, we were to replace Lord for Yahweh/Yahuah, where is was originally removed - what would change?
and
Please clarify/illustrate in point those changes - thank you

 

[Beckie]

Rom_8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Gal_4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Jesus said Luk_11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

How serious are we to take or understand the Words of Jesus? I have read in this thread to take the Word of God literal do we ?

So when we pray we are to say Our Father When in Joy we say Abba Father... to me it is a bit like this old song..

Let's Call the Whole Thing Off (You Say Tomato, I Say Tomato)

 

[JeffA]

If, in everyplace in scripture, we were to replace Lord for Yahweh/Yahuah, where is was originally removed - what would change?
and
Please clarify/illustrate in point those changes - thank you

The President of the United States has been in office since 1789. Wow! that's a long time to run a country. Good Job! Mr. President.

 

[DavidTree]

The President of the United States has been in office since 1789. Wow! that's a long time to run a country. Good Job! Mr. President.

Ignorance is bliss - God is Eternal so, hey, HE can be President since 1789.....................and counting.

Based on your knowledge of YHWH and this thread "God's Name not in the Bible" :

What is the most important changes that would take place if we replaced LORD (where it speaks of YHWH) with Yahweh/Yahuah?

 

[Amanuensis]

Good point!

Let me bounce this off of you then.

As for the pronunciation, I am currently in the camp of "Yahuah" rather than "Yahweh". Both are similar.
Maybe it is because I have not fully vetted the argument on the "Yahweh" side. I hope to get around to that.
I am sure of this, though. I take no man's word for either side. You could have a PhD in the study of everything and it would not make you correct on a subject. There are those that "say they are Yahudim and are not, but do lie."
This is probably a very minor dispute anyway.
I usually don't like to be in the "undecided" camp on anything but I also don't mind switching camps. That, to me, is a sign of progress.
Peace to you.

I would take the majority of PhDs who are expert in the ancient languages as the correct or best form of knowledge on this that a person can come to. I would not consider any other data as credible than that of "man's, (experts like PhDs in ancient languages).

Who else would you listen to if not man's opinion on how to pronounce this? Are you suggesting that we should pray and ask God and then go about telling people that one should pronounce it such and such a way because God told them how when they prayed about it?

Of course we should trust expert opinion from those who know enough about ancient Hebrew to explain the details. Who else would you trust but a PhD on this subject?

 

[JeffA]

Ignorance is bliss - God is Eternal so, hey, HE can be President since 1789.....................and counting.

Based on your knowledge of YHWH and this thread "God's Name not in the Bible" :

What is the most important changes that would take place if we replaced LORD (where it speaks of YHWH) with Yahweh/Yahuah?

God would be happier.

 

[DavidTree]

God would be happier.

In what way - please be specific - that is one way you can make YHWH 'happier'.

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have."

 

[JeffA]

I would take the majority of PhDs who are expert in the ancient languages as the correct or best form of knowledge on this that a person can come to. I would not consider any other data as credible than that of "man's, (experts like PhDs in ancient languages).

Who else would you listen to if not man's opinion on how to pronounce this? Are you suggesting that we should pray and ask God and then go about telling people that one should pronounce it such and such a way because God told them how when they prayed about it?

Of course we should trust expert opinion from those who know enough about ancient Hebrew to explain the details. Who else would you trust but a PhD on this subject?

I guess I misunderstand you.
Are you saying that right is by reason of majority?
Are you saying that right is by reason of Education level?
Are you saying that right is by reason of a majority of highly educated people?
Is that how "right" is defined?
Wow, I guess Jesus' life truly was doomed from the start. Aren't we glad he rose again?

 

[JeffA]

In what way - please be specific - that is one way you can make YHWH 'happier'.

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have."

I have explained many times but if you can't distinguish between a name and a title then I can't help you.

 

[DavidTree]

I have explained many times but if you can't distinguish between a name and a title then I can't help you.

Yes, I understand your Thread title and the explanation of YHWH/Yahweh/Yahuah as part of the Name of ELOHIM/God/Lord

No Jeff, you have not explained any specific point to the question I have asked you: What important change(s) would make different from current word of 'LORD' where it replaced YHWH.

It would be very easy for you to say, as an example, = a.) Yahweh here in scripture changes this to that

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have."

 

[Amanuensis]

I guess I misunderstand you.
Are you saying that right is by reason of majority?
Are you saying that right is by reason of Education level?
Are you saying that right is by reason of a majority of highly educated people?
Is that how "right" is defined?
Wow, I guess Jesus' life truly was doomed from the start. Aren't we glad he rose again?

I am talking about the right way to pronounce YHWH. That "right" way can only be determined by the rules of ancient Hebrew. Of course we know that we are actually talking about the "right" way to pronounce the image below, not YHWH.


And how do we determine this? By either educating ourselves to ancient Hebrew language and rules and all of the questions regarding this topic or by listening to the majority of experts who seem to have formed a consensus on the subject long ago and who's opinions would be the best method for drawing a conclusion on the matter of "how do we pronounce this name correctly." So in this case YES, education and the majority of expert opinion determines the closest to the "right" way one can conclude on this matter.

What would you suggest one should do to determine the "right" way to pronounce this name? Listen to a fringe group non expert, or one individual on a youtube video? What would be the correct method besides listening the majority of PhDs of ancient Hebrew Language? I am at a loss to your thoughts and what you are trying to express if you think this is not the best method?

 

[DavidTree]

Hi Brother David. Here is the same Isa 43:11 that you quoted in another translation: "I, even I, am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me." Yahweh is our Savior! Yeshua, the Word of Yahweh, is One with Yahweh, and is the Great I AM Himself in the Flesh. Yeshua is our God and Savior and so is Yahweh.

If you read Revelation, the Angels sing Hallelujah. Hallelujah means, "All Glory be to Yahweh". That shows God can still be praised as Yahweh in the New Covenant. God said His Name Yahweh was for All Generations. There is thus no contradiction imho in Glorifying God as Yahweh, the Father, and Yeshua, the Son/Word, in the Unity of the Holy Spirit.

As we know, the Holy Trinity is YHWH, the Word of YHWH and the Spirit of YHWH. Psa 33:6 says "By the Word of Yahweh were the Heavens made, and all the Host (Angels) of them by the Breath (Spirit) of His Mouth (Word)". The Three Persons Who are One God are evident right from Genesis, for e.g. in Gen 18:1-3. Abraham sees Three Men but salutes Them as One Lord God, Yahweh. In the New Covenant, the Son was named Yeshua, because by His Incarnation, He had become our Savior. He is one with Father and Spirit.

The Patriarch Abraham, the Prophet Moses, King David, and other OT heroes and Saints of our Faith, referred to God as Yahweh, even while giving many prophecies of His Son Yeshua to come. We can continue to honor and worship both Father and Son imho.

When we read Holy Name Bibles, we see familiar verses in a New Light, which can be helpful to our Personal Devotion. For e.g.

"Yahweh is my Shepherd; I shall not want"
"Yahweh is my Light and my Salvation"
"Yahweh is my Rock and my Refuge"
"Bless Yahweh, O my Soul, and all within me bless His Holy Name".

When one calls on the Eternal Father by His Holy Name, one not only remembers His Great and Awesome Works through so many generations for Millenia, but also one experiences great Divine Intimacy with both Father and Son, and the Holy Spirit as well.

I like the KJV, it is a Great Translation on the whole. But I feel the Holy Name Bibles get it right on this particular point. God Bless.

The Jews have not called God by His Name for 2000 years. Has it brought them to Salvation in Christ? Nope. Maybe God is waiting for them to start calling Him by His Name Yahweh, with Deep Faith, Devotion and Love, in order to lift the veil from their eyes, and teach them the Truth that Yeshua is One with Yahweh? Yahweh is our Savior, and He will save Israel one day. Isa 43:11 has said so.

In Christ,
N. Xavier.

Do you believe that if the Jews were to use the name Yahweh, then HE would hear them?

 

[Mem]

I like the KJV, it is a Great Translation on the whole. But I feel the Holy Name Bibles get it right on this particular point. God Bless.

Ok then JeffA, the problem you have with translation of the bible has already been remedied with this Holy Name Bible translation. Is your endeavor truly to change every translation? To destroy all other translations?

 

[RizenPhoenix]

Throughout the Bible it is clear that GOD wants his name to be known and proclaimed.
In this day and age we can easily figure out that his name is YHWH (Pronounced Yahuah).
His name is always replaced with a Title, "the Lord". (about 6,800 times).


The Council that decided to remove it was part of the Roman Catholic Oligarchy at that time, and reasoned that his name was to "holy" to pronounce. That is how we lost the correct pronunciation of the 4 letter tetragrammaton. Research the "Tetragrammaton, YHWH". That is the proper name of God, not his title (God, Lord, Elohim, I AM, Almight God, etc.). However, there is only one Bible in the World that went back and put his name (YHWH) represented as Jehovah, back into this Bible called "The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures". The actual correct pronunciation of his divine name was lost in time after the 1st Century Christians began distorting and implementing their own Gnostic theories. However, God is not dead and has chosen Jehovah as the modern day proper name. Still today most religions only use a pronoun when speaking of him. However, Satan is called a god in the Bible, so it is important to distinguish your god from others.

 

[RizenPhoenix]

Do you believe that if the Jews were to use the name Yahweh, then HE would hear them?

God hears the prayers of all honest hearted humans no matter what race, ethnicity, or national origin. He is not partial the Bible states. Acts 10:34, 35, John 9:31 There are Jews that have loved Yahweh all their life as have some of their descendants. Do you think he heard you ask that question and read your intentions?