Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[Magenta]

Yes, if you think Noah feasted upon dead corpses, ate their body of death, lived off of death, as in death sustaining him.

Not sure how you jump from being given Scripture to counter your error to this big fallacious if

It is not written how they die

Nor is it written that they died some way other than by the hand of God, Who sustains all life.

You simply make an unfounded assumption and run with it.

You have no verse articulating your belief, while demanding specific articulations via verse from others.

God didn't kill them

Your unfounded assumption.

God cannot sin.

God "killing" anything is not sin. He gave life, He can take it away. It is His to give and take as He pleases.

Isn't the command God gave to Adam and Eve, a Law?

The initial command given to A&E had concerned a particular tree.

The law commanding against murder was not given until Moses.

It was not against killing. Killing and murder are two separate things.

God's law included the killing of both animals and people under specific circumstances

 

[Magenta]

The law commanding against murder was not given until Moses.

Prohibition of Murder: You shall not murder. ( Genesis 9:6)

My apologies. The law against murder is part of the Noahide law, which was
given after the flood and included the law against eating animals alive.

 

[DanielLL]

Not sure how you jump from being given Scripture to counter your error to this big fallacious if

Do you believe Noah feasted upon dead corpses? That he ate the body of death and lived off of death, as in death sustaining him? Or not? I think you do.

Nor is it written that they died some way other than by the hand of God, Who sustains all life.
You simply make an unfounded assumption and run with it.

It is not written how the animals died. The assumption is on your part, when you assume God killed them. I just said they died after death had entered the world.

You have no verse articulating your belief

Shedding innocent blood is an abomination, I gave you over a dozen verses on it.

Your unfounded assumption.

To say God didn't shed innocent blood, is not an assumption, it is a deduction that avoids blasphemy.
God cannot sin. Neither can He hate Himself:

It was not against killing. Killing and murder are two separate things.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man;[...]

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

-Upon reading it again, I noticed that this verse actually proves shedding innocent blood won't serve as a cover, or garment:

Isaiah 59:6 Their webs shall not become garments, neither shall they cover themselves with their works: their works are works of iniquity, and the act of violence is in their hands.
7 Their feet run to evil, and they make haste to shed innocent blood: their thoughts are thoughts of iniquity; wasting and destruction are in their paths.

God's law included the killing of both animals and people under specific circumstances

Not the shedding of innocent blood. But even those "killings under specific circumstances" were already rebuked by Jesus:

Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Matthew 6:14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

So, because Jesus cannot preach against the Law of the Father, it is clear that those "killings under specific circumstances", were not the Law of the Father, but rather the law of men, the Law of Moses. You chose whom ye will serve.

The law against murder is part of the Noahide law

We've also been over this already, Cain sinned:

Genesis 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Sin is the transgression of the law. So, in order for Cain to sin, there had to be a Law, that prohibited murder, at that time.

 

[posthuman]

John 21:8-10
And the other disciples came in a little ship; (for they were not far from land, but as it were two hundred cubits,) dragging the net with fishes. As soon then as they were come to land, they saw a fire of coals there, and fish laid thereon, and bread. Jesus saith unto them, Bring of the fish which ye have now caught.

 

[DanielLL]

coals there, and fish laid thereon

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Jeremiah 15:2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the Lord; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.

Isaiah 33:1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee.

Jeremiah 43:11 And when he cometh, he shall smite the land of Egypt, and deliver such as are for death to death; and such as are for captivity to captivity; and such as are for the sword to the sword.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man

 

[Dino246]

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Jeremiah 15:2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the Lord; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.

Isaiah 33:1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee.

Jeremiah 43:11 And when he cometh, he shall smite the land of Egypt, and deliver such as are for death to death; and such as are for captivity to captivity; and such as are for the sword to the sword.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man

Your stubbornness and resistance to learning aren't hurting anyone else; they are just making you look ridiculous.

You're wrong on this matter. Give it up already. Go find another windmill.

 

[Magenta]

It is not written how the animals died.

Your assumption is that animals are innocent, and that it is against the law to kill them.

Shedding innocent blood is an abomination, I gave you over a dozen verses on it.

You have ZERO verses that say animals are innocent.

You have ZERO verses saying killing animals is against the law.

I am simply holding you to your own standard.

I realize you don't like having your double standard pointed out to you.

That does not absolve you of holding to a double standard.

 

[Magenta]

To say God didn't shed innocent blood, is not an assumption, it is a deduction.

To say God killed the animals He used to clothe A&E is not an assumption but a deduction.

See? Gander, meet goose.

Not only so, but it was the first foreshadowing of God's redemptive plan for humanity through the shedding of Christ's righteous blood for the remission of sin that all who believe on Him by grace through faith shall escape the second death and attain to life ever after.

The whole Bible is about this Truth, while you piddle around proclaiming anyone
who disagrees with you wrong while holding to your daffy double standard.

 

[posthuman]

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Jeremiah 15:2 And it shall come to pass, if they say unto thee, Whither shall we go forth? then thou shalt tell them, Thus saith the Lord; Such as are for death, to death; and such as are for the sword, to the sword; and such as are for the famine, to the famine; and such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.

Isaiah 33:1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee.

Jeremiah 43:11 And when he cometh, he shall smite the land of Egypt, and deliver such as are for death to death; and such as are for captivity to captivity; and such as are for the sword to the sword.

Genesis 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man

So..
Are you saying they were murderous evil fish?

 

[DanielLL]

You have ZERO verses that say animals are innocent.

There is no guilt in the animals, because they are seen as "good" by God:

Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

You have ZERO verses saying killing animals is against the law.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man

To say God killed the animals He used to clothe A&E is not an assumption but a deduction.

Tell me how you deduced that, just as I have told you how I deduced mine: God cannot shed innocent blood.

the shedding of Christ's righteous blood for the remission of sin

How can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood?

Are you saying they were murderous evil fish?

No.

 

[Magenta]

So..
Are you saying they were murderous evil fish?

"What big teeth you have."

"The better to eat you with, my dear."



I suppose according to DanieLL those teeth are for eating grass.

 

[Magenta]

There is no guilt in the animals, because they are seen as "good" by God:

Satan and Adam were seen as good by God also.

 

[Magenta]

How can the conscience be purged from sin by the shedding of innocent blood?

Are you an anti Christ, then?

 

[Magenta]

Tell me how you deduced that, just as I have told you how I deduced mine: God cannot shed innocent blood.

I did just tell you. You missed it?

Not only so, but it was the first foreshadowing of God's redemptive plan
for humanity through the shedding of Christ's righteous blood for the
remission of sin that all who believe on Him by grace through faith
shall escape the second death and attain to life ever after.

The whole Bible is about this Truth, while you piddle around proclaiming anyone
who disagrees with you wrong while holding to your daffy double standard.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Yes, if you think Noah feasted upon dead corpses, ate their body of death, lived off of death, as in death sustaining him.
Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

It is not written how they die, but they died after sin had entered the world. God didn't kill them because God cannot sin. And killing them is an abomination, so you can't have God sinning, nor contradicting Himself, nor hating Himself:

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Exodus 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,


Isn't the command God gave to Adam and Eve, a Law? Isn't because they broke the Law that they were judged and punished accordingly?
Before the Law of Moses there were already Laws, even Abraham had laws, just not the Law of Moses:

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Check the verses, they are on these page. Blood Sacrifice is condemned as an abomination by The True God, and His Holy Law. It is only in the law of men you will find justification for shedding innocent blood, in the Law of Moses. Choose you this day whom will ye serve.

your asking what is “lawful “ So you would have to look at what’s stated in the law of Moses. That tells us what’s “ lawful “

 

[CS1]

So..
Are you saying they were murderous evil fish?

it is funny because there are what are known as Vegan and there are vegan activists who fight for animal rights. to stop people from eating beef and kind of animals.

They worship animals and hold them to that of people because they have pets. Yet Jesus ate lamb and fish maybe even a goat . These are sick people and are what Paul was speaking about in Romans chapter 1. They even call themselves Christians

 

[Magenta]

Do you believe Noah feasted upon dead corpses? That he ate the body of death
and lived off of death, as in death sustaining him? Or not? I think you do.

Just goes to show how you arrive at your ridiculous beliefs.

Not by rational deduction but by erroneous and fallacious assumption.

 

[DanielLL]

Satan and Adam were seen as good by God also.

What? Chapter verse? Adam was seen as good before he sinned.

Are you an anti Christ, then?

I am against the shedding of innocent blood, same way the Father is against shedding of innocent blood. He doesn't accept blood as payment for sin, Saul offered a lot of blood, but it was all rejected:

1 Samuel 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.

15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.

it was the first foreshadowing of God's redemptive plan
for humanity through the shedding of Christ's righteous blood for the
remission of sin

This is yet another assumption, "foreshadowing", says who? -You need to understand shedding innocent blood is an abomination, He will not shed nor accept innocent blood as payment for sin. Because He cannot sin, nor commit abominations, nor accept abominations, nor hate Himself:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

So you would have to look at what’s stated in the law of Moses. That tells us what’s “ lawful “

Even if you restrict yourself to the Law of Moses, it is still unlawful: "Thou shalt not kill". But murder has always been unlawful, Cain who was of that wicked one: "was a murderer from the beginning". He didn't became a murderer when the law of Moses showed up, right?

 

[Magenta]

I am against the shedding of innocent blood

Chapter and verse saying animals are innocent.

 

[DanielLL]

Chapter and verse saying animals are innocent.

You have been warned already, if you want "exact words" you have to deny the deity of Christ too.