Is it LAWFUL to kill animals?

[tourist]

Firstly, the serpent is not a man; and secondly, sin is not creative, but destructive. Sin cannot create any being.


Satan is not a man, so this verse does not apply.


You don't even begin to make sense.

I agree with your estimation.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus said that killing the farted calf and eating it is a good illustration of how a father would celebrate the return of his prodigal son. You have to accept that God does not see killing animals and eating them as unlawful or He wouldn’t have included it in the parable.

If killing animals was unlawful then the parable of the prodigal son would effectually be saying “fathers celebrate the return of the prodigal son by sinning” which doesn’t make sense.

OP of the thread is debunked.

 

[CS1]

God is Creator. He does not call Himself the Father of the cows. That is your title. God gave man flesh to eat. You don't like it, but He did. He just did not give the blood to man to eat.



The KJV isn't consistent with it's use of 'kill'. But these are two Hebrew words. The latter one is a word that means 'slay.' Exodus 20 says not to murder, (ratsach) a man. The verse from isaiah66 there says he that slays an ox as if he who sacrifices a man. The words are different in Hebrew- schachat and another word that is used for sacrifice, as if these Israelites slaying oxen were like human sacrifice. But the point is NOT that it was wrong to sacrifice oxen... as the Lord had commanded... but that their sacrifices were unacceptable. God did not like idolatrous or otherwise sinful people living lives of rebellion, then sacrificing to him.

And 'schachat' shows up elswhere when God COMMANDS Israel to slay an animal, like in Exodus 12:6

And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

Do you even really care what God wants, or are you just using religious language to promote animal rights? Or do you think you have some kind of mystical power to determine some parts of the Bible false and some parts true?

The word shows up here in Exodus 12:21 when God COMMANDS slaying a Passover lamb
Then Moses called for all the elders of Israel and said to them, "Go and take for yourselves lambs according to your families, and slay the Passover lamb.(NASB)

Israelites would kill an animal if they did not want to sin against the Lord by disobeying.

I don't know if you cannot figure out the sense of these verse or if you are intentionally just trying to take verses out of context to support your agenda. This is a commentary for you to read to help you get a sense of it. Notice that 'abominations' often refers to idolatry in certain contexts, or the idols themselves.

You can find the following commentary at: https://biblehub.com/commentaries/isaiah/66-3.htm
I think it will give you a good idea of the gist of the verse, if you care to understand something.


My brother is not an ox or a monkey. Also, don't call your mother a cow. You should honor your father and mother.

amen but I think you are cast your pearls

 

[DanielLL]

Jesus said that killing the farted calf and eating it

Jesus cannot sin nor commit abominations
Killing an ox is like killing a man, a sin and an abomination
Jesus cannot kill an ox (nor command it)

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

 

[Dino246]

Jesus said that killing the farted calf and eating it is a good illustration

I didn't write it, but I did laugh at it...

OP of the thread is debunked.

That hasn't stopped the OP from continuing on for 23 pages.

Unfortunately.

 

[Dino246]

Jesus cannot sin nor commit abominations
Killing an ox is like killing a man, a sin and an abomination
Jesus cannot kill an ox (nor command it)

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Dude, why do you persist in your error?

 

[Dino246]

Dino246
What do you think? Who created sin, and Satan?

The entity now called 'Satan' (it's not a proper name) was created by God.

 

[Dino246]

God created a beast of the field, not Satan. Satan speaks of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it.

Man was seen as good before he sinned, after that he was judged and punished, (not good). Same thing with the serpent, was a beast of the field, seen as good, but after it sinned it was judged and punished. (not good)

So, God is not the Father of lies, no. God is the Father of all that is good. Satan is the father of lies.

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

"His brother" is all creatures that were created by Him, because both man and animals were created by the same Father, so you can't hate any creature that God has created. If you do, you are a murderer. And not a brother because God is not the Father of murderers.

Satan is not and never was a beast of the field.

 

[presidente]

Jesus cannot sin nor commit abominations
Killing an ox is like killing a man, a sin and an abomination
Jesus cannot kill an ox (nor command it)

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

God was displeased at the sacrifices. Notice the parralelisms. Blessing an idol was unaccepable. So was cutting off a dog's head. It's possible that was a pagan style sacrifice since there is evidence of sacrificing of dogs among pagans. Sacrificing a human was unacceptable to Yahweh. So because of sin, their sacrifices of ox, lambs, their oblations, and incense, mentioned in the Torah, were not acceptable. Notice the word 'abominations' which can refer to idols-- detestable things-- in many contexts. God was not pleased with the sacrifices of two-timing idolaters, oppressors of their brethren, etc.

You want to take this verse out of context and spin it to mean something that contradicts the numerous verses of the Old Testament which commanded such sacrifices and offerings. But according to Isaiah 8:20, To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

If Isaiah 66 were contradicting what God said through Moses, then Isaiah's other prophecy would say to reject it. But it is not Isaiah or Moses who heard God wrong. It is you who misinterprets His words.

But your misinterpretation is so obviously dumb, I can't help but wonder if you don't care about the Bible and this is just a way to promote some animal rights agenda. I know some people seem to have blinders on and can't understand and perceive many things in scripture. I don't know if it's a kind of demonic blindness, insight not given to them, or an ideological stronghold in their minds. You need to humble yourself before the Lord and ask for grace to perceive and understand, assuming that you are sincere.

 

[DanielLL]

Dude, why do you persist in your error?

Because it isn't error, that is why it can't be refuted, because is Truth, the darkness comprehend it not:

Hosea 8:12 I have written for him the great things of My law, But they were considered a strange thing.
13 For the sacrifices of My offerings they sacrifice flesh and eat it, But the Lord does not accept them. Now He will remember their iniquity and punish their sins.They shall return to Egypt.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

The entity now called 'Satan' (it's not a proper name) was created by God.

Chapter and verse? -Your blasphemy is easily refuted: God cannot sin, Satan is a liar, God cannot create liars. God cannot create Satan.

Satan is not and never was a beast of the field.

Chapter and verse? -If you can't connect these two together, the problem is on your part:

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

dumb

He doesn't want hurting or destroying of any kind, in all His Holy Mountain, nor the shedding of any innocent blood of any form in His Holy Place:

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

 

[Runningman]

Jesus cannot sin nor commit abominations
Killing an ox is like killing a man, a sin and an abomination
Jesus cannot kill an ox (nor command it)

Isaiah 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.

Jesus said that killing animals is okay. It isn’t a sin. Isaiah 66:3 is is obviously about animal sacrifices, not dinner. People gotta eat and meat is on the menu. Freshly killed meat is best though, but that isn’t convenient for a lot of people nowadays. I can hunt dear and turkey where I live if I wanted to but I don’t.

Have you read Peter’s vision in Acts 10?

Acts 10:9-16
9On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: 10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, 11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, thatcall not thou common. 16This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.

 

[presidente]

Because it isn't error, that is why it can't be refuted, because is Truth, the darkness comprehend it not:

Hosea 8:12 I have written for him the great things of My law, But they were considered a strange thing.
13 For the sacrifices of My offerings they sacrifice flesh and eat it, But the Lord does not accept them. Now He will remember their iniquity and punish their sins.They shall return to Egypt.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

And what is this supposed to prove? Israel was sinful. There were Israelites oppressing the poor. God was displeased with such people's sacrifices.

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;

See. Look how they were treating their neighbors.

6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

Can you read that? See, look at all the offenses God did not want committed toward other people-- oppressing stranger, fatherless, widow, and shedding innocent blood. He also did not want worship of other gods. There is none of your 'cow is our brother' talk here.

 

[DanielLL]

People gotta eat and meat

Chapter and verse? -Because Daniel didn't "gotta eat meat", he would not defile his temple with the body of death:

Daniel 1:12 “Please test your servants for ten days, and let them give us vegetables to eat and water to drink.

-The only reason you lust after flesh, is because you are not contented with the food Father gave you. Because you don't need to eat meat, but are better off without it:

Daniel 1:15 And at the end of ten days their features appeared better and fatter in flesh than all the young men who ate the portion of the king’s delicacies.

I can hunt dear and turkey where I live if I wanted to

You could also be hunted:

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

cow is our brother

Both cows and man were made by the same Father. They both have one Breath wich they both received from the same Father. That is why killing and ox is like killing a man, because both are brothers of the same Father. And he that hateth is brother is a murderer.

 

[Dino246]

Because it isn't error, that is why it can't be refuted, because is Truth, the darkness comprehend it not:

Hosea 8:12 I have written for him the great things of My law, But they were considered a strange thing.
13 For the sacrifices of My offerings they sacrifice flesh and eat it, But the Lord does not accept them. Now He will remember their iniquity and punish their sins.They shall return to Egypt.

Isaiah 1:11 To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
15 And when ye spread forth your hands, I will hide mine eyes from you: yea, when ye make many prayers, I will not hear: your hands are full of blood.

Chapter and verse? -Your blasphemy is easily refuted: God cannot sin, Satan is a liar, God cannot create liars. God cannot create Satan.

Chapter and verse? -If you can't connect these two together, the problem is on your part:

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

He doesn't want hurting or destroying of any kind, in all His Holy Mountain, nor the shedding of any innocent blood of any form in His Holy Place:

Jeremiah 7:5 For if ye throughly amend your ways and your doings; if ye throughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbour;
6 If ye oppress not the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and shed not innocent blood in this place, neither walk after other gods to your hurt:
7 Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

Your position has been refuted repeatedly. Your unwillingness to accept it is not my problem.

 

[Magenta]

OP of the thread is debunked.

Many times over

 

[Magenta]

I didn't write it, but I did laugh at it...

Think of all that methane gas!!!

 

[Runningman]

You could also be hunted:

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Hunting and killing people is a sin. You seem eager to promote the idea I can be hunted and killed, but you defend the life of cows, oxen, and dogs vehemently for 20+ pages. You’re backwards and satanic. Are you even a Christian?

 

[DanielLL]

Your position has been refuted repeatedly.

Many times over

You didn't even respond, how is it refuted? Your blasphemy was the only thing that was refuted, because you can't refute Scripture:

Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

Hunting and killing people is a sin. You seem eager to promote the idea I can be hunted and killed, but you defend the life of cows, oxen, and dogs vehemently for 20+ pages.

The difference between you and the cows, is that you are the one hunting them, they are not hunting you:

Isaiah 33:1 Woe to thee that spoilest, and thou wast not spoiled; and dealest treacherously, and they dealt not treacherously with thee! when thou shalt cease to spoil, thou shalt be spoiled; and when thou shalt make an end to deal treacherously, they shall deal treacherously with thee.