An Analysis on the 144,000 in Revelation

[DavidTree]

And yet Jesus is sitting on a cloud gathering his people from the earth in rev 14 during the gt.

Add it up.

YES - Jesus is using a sickle, an instrument of death by cutting, just as the Scripture says: Revelation ch14

Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

It is clear the 144k are in heaven, while the angels are preaching the gospel.

If you want to make your case, there could be a chance that the 144k WERE AT ONE TIME preaching the gospel, but now that the 144k are in heaven, it is up to angels?

But, unfortunately ,for the postrib position, any way you modify it, the fact remains that the 144k are in heaven in rev 14.
....which rips postrib rapture to shreds.
That has to hurt.

It was just a bad choice jettisoning the pretrib rapture verses and allowing those erroneous teachers access to your mind.

Whether there's a rapture or not, whenever it is, my salvation is in Lord Jesus through His blood, not a "puff". If you're so convinced of this puff, removal or rapture, whatever you like to call it, then enjoy your heresy and keep it to yourself.

 

[Absolutely]

It's not that complicated. In the OT prophecies Israel was frequently compared as a naughty wife who "played the harlot", but she's still a wife and God'll redeem her; while other nations are just harlots under the Babylonian system worshiping false idols.

Which is exactly what rev 14 is depicting.
Pssssst....that is WHY the 144k are firstfruits.

 

[DavidTree]

From Gods mouth;
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Escape what??? oh, HE tells us exactly...........Luke ch21

But watch yourselves, or your hearts will be weighed down by dissipation, drunkenness, and the worries of life—and that day will spring upon you suddenly like a snare.
For it will come upon all who dwell on the face of all the earth.
So keep watch at all times, and pray that you may have the strength to escape all that is about to happen and to stand before the Son of Man.”

No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man.
God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it. - 1 Cor 10:13

Nowhere does HE say the escape is pre-trib rapture off the earth = NOWHERE

 

[Absolutely]

Whether there's a rapture or not, whenever it is, my salvation is in Lord Jesus through His blood, not a "puff". If you're so convinced of this puff, removal or rapture, whatever you like to call it, then enjoy your heresy and keep it to yourself.

Pot <> Kettle

You have allowed hatred and ugliness to cloud and muddy up challenges to your preconceived doctrine.

 

[DavidTree]

Pot <> Kettle

You have allowed hatred and ugliness to cloud and muddy up challenges to your preconceived doctrine.

I am making fresh ground organic coffee, right now, come on over - no hate here for you = just the love of Christ and the Holy Spirit and great coffee.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The LORD knows exactly what HE said of the 144k and those who know Him and Know the Scriptures know what it means.

HE specifically spoke in parables, symbolism and code that requires understanding through the Spirit and the Scriptures.

Yep he knows what he says

He said

4. Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

So lets take him at his word.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Pre-trib rapture never came out of the Mouth of God.
Always remember that the Word says = "no lie comes from the truth."

You keep trying to change the subject.

You claimed there was a pre-trib bible. Then when called out on it. You insisted you had truth

Now your running..

Typical

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Okay so let me see if I understand. Are you saying only 144,000 people will be saved?

Thats interesting, The JW’s gave up this heresy awhile ago. Did not know people thought this anymore

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

We do need to know, because no matter who they are, they'll preach the true gospel and many will follow them, while all the rest of the world being deceived.

They are not following them, they follow their word.

but yeah we do need to know. Because God said 144000 from the nation of Israel. So when the world sees 144000 Israelites, Jews, whatever you want to call them. Come out of great tribulation. And start to spread the gospel. Thats a HUGE and MAJOR event, That GOD prophesied thousands of years before it happened. And it will turn people to God.

Thats the purpose of prophecy.

If 144000 gentile people out of the church start doing this. Its not going to be some great sign from God. Because Gentile church has been the rule for over 2000 years now

 

[DavidTree]

Yep he knows what he says

He said

4. Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

So lets take him at his word.

TRUTH from our LORD & Savior Jesus Christ.

When the LORD speaks HE always speaks TRUTH = many times, such as we find/read in the Gospels and Revelation, in parables and symbolism.

 

[Absolutely]

TRUTH from our LORD & Savior Jesus Christ.

When the LORD speaks HE always speaks TRUTH = many times, such as we find/read in the Gospels and Revelation, in parables and symbolism.

When facts are simply transferred to the thread, the knee jerk response should be agreement

 

[DavidTree]

You keep trying to change the subject.

You claimed there was a pre-trib bible. Then when called out on it. You insisted you had truth

Now your running..

Typical

The lie of pre-trib rapture attaches itself to men's hearts & minds so that they become blinded to what is 'written' and also falsey interpret what is written so that they see pre-trib rapture where it was never said or spoken or written.

Revelation ch14 is a perfect example of the erroneous understanding by interjecting pre-trib rapture into it as well as 144k flesh Jews as missionaries.

 

[DavidTree]

When facts are simply transferred to the thread, the knee jerk response should be agreement

AGREE - get your ars over here for some coffee and felllowship and prayer = this is a FACT

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yep he knows what he says

He said

4. Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000from all the tribes of Israel.
5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

So lets take him at his word.

Where are these tribes now? Who could they possibly be? Yeah of course God knows, but he wants US to know, and through us, everyone else can know, otherwise this piece of information wouldn't be written in this book. "Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book." (Rev. 22:7) If you don't even bother to explore and instead tell everybody who does to shut up, then nobody will know.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

Hebrews 4:12 ESV / 44 helpful votes
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

When were the Levite priests sealed in or on their foreheads? Please show me the Scripture. You stated that after your sealing on your forehead (which you did not understand) it was in reading about the sealing of the Levite priests that made your experience known to you. Where is that passage you read that gave you your understanding. I am not interested in your experiences. They are yours. Keep them. What I am interested in is addressing your curses. Come to the mark, sister.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

They are not following them, they follow their word.

but yeah we do need to know. Because God said 144000 from the nation of Israel. So when the world sees 144000 Israelites, Jews, whatever you want to call them. Come out of great tribulation. And start to spread the gospel. Thats a HUGE and MAJOR event, That GOD prophesied thousands of years before it happened. And it will turn people to God.

Thats the purpose of prophecy.

If 144000 gentile people out of the church start doing this. Its not going to be some great sign from God. Because Gentile church has been the rule for over 2000 years now

The closest "model" for the great tribulation is the Ten Plagues in Egypt. When Pharaoh finally gave up and let the Israelites go, guess what, "a MIXED MULTITUDE went up with them also." (Exo. 12:38) That's us, the Church. Our fate lies within this one negligible, seemingly insignificant verse. There was a mixed multitude at that time, there's a mixed multitude at the end times.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

When were the Levite priests sealed in or on their foreheads? Please show me the Scripture. You stated that after your sealing on your forehead (which you did not understand) it was in reading about the sealing of the Levite priests that made your experience known to you. Where is that passage you read that gave you your understanding. I am not interested in your experiences. They are yours. Keep them. What I am interested in is addressing your curses. Come to the mark, sister.

Just imagine this Seal of God like a watermark that is only visible in the spiritual world to the angels. The Mark of the Beast is nothing but a counterfeit. Also, if you're really interested in this, my advise is that go focus on the Image of the Beast instead of the mark, because the Image is gonna be living and breathing enforcers of the mark.

 

[Rhomphaeam]

Just imagine this Seal of God like a watermark that is only visible in the spiritual world to the angels. The Mark of the Beast is nothing but a counterfeit. Also, if you're really interested in this, my advise is that go focus on the Image of the Beast instead of the mark, because the Image is gonna be living and breathing enforcers of the mark.

Why don't we all just stop blethering about things we do not understand? My interest is not an interest it is a certain knowledge based on being a former satanic occultist and now a servant of Christ. Let the sister uphold her own curses and you can then spare me any more of your ignorance, brother.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Why don't we all just stop blethering about things we do not understand? My interest is not an interest it is a certain knowledge based on being a former satanic occultist and now a servant of Christ. Let the sister uphold her own curses and you can then spare me any more of your ignorance, brother.

Bible interprets itself, while reality testified the Scripture. True understanding is only attainable when you know how to correctly interpret the prophecies - AND how to observe its fulfillment.