An Analysis on the 144,000 in Revelation

[DavidTree]

- First thing first, this might be a shocker even a heresy to a lot of y'all folks here, but these 144,000 are the TRUE Bride of Christ, the saints of all saints, not the "Universal Church throughout all ages" as most Christians believe. They'll be SEALED with the Seal of God on their forehead - during the Great Tribulation at Seal 6, not before or after.

- The good news is, "Universal Church" is not out of the picture. Right after the announcement of the 144,000 John saw a "Great Multitude" of all tribes, tongues and nations in Rev. 7:9. That's us. We're the wedding guests from the byways and highways, the ten virgins, the three servants and the laborers in the vineyard. In Zechariah 8:23 it says, "This is what the Lord Almighty says: “In those days ten people from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you!" Whereas 144,000 is a definitive number, that "ten" is a figurative one for the innumerable Great Multitude. Ten is the lowest legitimate number of righteous men in Abraham's negotiation with God for some mercy on Sodom.

- 12,000 from each tribe of the 144,000 is NOT pointing to just literal, ethnic Jews. By the Bible's own historic record, the definition of Jew is a citizen of the southern kingdom of Judah, which was consisted of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin plus a few Levites. That's just two tribes, not 12. And since 70AD, they were dispersed into all nations on earth, and Judaism became a religion that went far beyond pedigree, anybody of any ancestry converted into Judaism is considered a Jew. Former first daughter Ivanka and her children are considered Jews through her marriage with Jared. There're also a lot of fake Jews like comrade Bernie Sanders from the synagogue of Satan whom Jesus specifically warned about, they claim to be Jews only to play identity politics. Those name tags of the 12 tribes may be indicators of characters based on Jacob’s last words for his sons in Gen. 49, and at least 12,000 men among the 144,000 could be real ethnical Jews with verifiable genetic records, but by no means will all of them be pious Jewish saints as many pastors and theologians assumed.

- So who exactly are they, what do they do and why are they singled out? The answer is back in the Torah. Those 144,000 as a whole are the Levites of God's people. Not just the 12,000 Levites, but all 144,000. Levi was the tribe of Moses and Aaron, they were separated from the rest of the camp of Israel, set apart to do a holy work for the Lord in the tabernacle. Each of the other eleven tribes received a piece of land as their territory, but not Levi, for God was their portion. Levites were scattered in all those territories as priests. That's the antetype of the 144,000.

- In the last days, these 144,000 will rise up and proclaim the kingdom of God, and all the rest of the church will heed their call and follow their lead, including many who have "fallen away" in 2 Thess. 2:3. They as the first fruit will be presented before God. Interestingly, John heard about them in Seal 6, but he didn't see them, until later in chapter 14:

Revelation 14:1-5 ...'And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps: And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no deceit: for they are without fault before the throne of God'

By then they're not in earthly Jerusalem, but HEAVENLY Jerusalem. And here're some other key verses about them:

Hebrews 12:22-24 ...'But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels. To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant.'

Zephaniah 3:13 ...'The remnant of Israel shall not do iniquity, nor speak lies; neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth: for they shall feed and lie down, and none shall make them afraid.' -

Notice they have two critical qualifications: They were virgin not defiled by women; In their mouth was found no deceit. To understand this, you must purge the social stigma wrapped around the words "virgin" and "deceit" from your mind and cling to their biblical definitions, because both are spiritual conditions. "Women" are not literal women, but false religions, those are the offsprings of Babylon the Great Harlot; "Deceit" is not any kind of lies, not even gaslighting from the fake news, but false doctrines from any demonic sources like Jesuit. In the midst of all rising false prophets, when the entire world is deceived and worshiping the Beast, they’re the ones who’ll hold and preach the truth!

- And last, don’t expect them to rise among the pastors, rabbis, experts or any celebrities. When that day comes, they’ll be like Peter denying the Lord three times with no remorse. God will pour out His Spirit on a bunch of nobodies out of nowhere to accomplish His holy purpose. Those who are exalted will be humbled, those who are humbled will be exalted. The first will be last, and the last will be first.

NOPE - You misunderstand what the LORD is saying to us in Revelation chapter 14.

It is HIS Revelation and three things are required for understanding.

#1. Read/Study
#2. Pray
#.3) Holy Spirit

 

[DavidTree]

At this point in my life, I believe that the 144,000 are the Bride of Christ. I also believe that they are physical descendants of Israel. If they were not, why would the Lord say they were?

Bride of Christ = YES

Physical descendants = NO

Born-Again Descendants = YES

Jew & Gentile = YES

pre-trib rapure = LIE

His Word = TRUTH

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Perhaps you should consider to translate these Christianese into common English, especially in this case where “Israel” and “Jew” are bearing starkly different meanings.

Isreal, Also known as Jacob, Is the name given to the 12 tribes of Israel

Israel also was the name of the northern kingdom of the split kingdom (judah and Israel)

When the northern kingdom was removed by Assyria, The only part left was Judah.

A jew is a person who is represented as being or living in the southern kingdom, Of where Jerusalem exists.

When they returned from Babylonian captivity. And in the time of Christ,. It did not matter what tribe you came from. You were called jew.

So you trying to make a doctrin based on semantics. is again hurting your own argument.

It does nt matter if I call them a jew, an Israeli, The children of Jacob/Israel. it all means the same to many people.

Just because YOU do not like it. Does not make it so.

Perhaps you should study more youself. and stop trying to show everyone else what you think they need to do

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Newsflash - in the time of Christ many of them from the north were called Samaritans and despised by the Jews. It was Jesus who turned things around and gave them a honorable name.

lol.. That does not take into account the people from the northern kingdom who came to judah and made their home there.

The Sameritans where the ones who stayed and mixed with the pagan and took on their Gods..

But remember. King david had a gentile mother.. Most likely there are no pure jews today. Even Jesus himself, the son of David, carried in him gentile blood.

 

[DavidTree]

Where does it say (or indicate) they are missionaries?

I've heard people say that over the years, but have never seen it in the text.

You will find that verse in the Pre-Trib Rapture Commentary Bible.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Where does it say (or indicate) they are missionaries?

I've heard people say that over the years, but have never seen it in the text.

What else would they be?

And why even would they be mentioned?

please not. the term missionary is not found in scripture that I know of

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Bride of Christ = YES

Physical descendants = NO

Born-Again Descendants = YES

Jew & Gentile = YES

pre-trib rapure = LIE

His Word = TRUTH

This passage makes literally no sense unless these are physical descendents.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You will find that verse in the Pre-Trib Rapture Commentary Bible.

This really adds to the discussion.

Can you show some humility and please knock of the nonsense..

 

[Oblio]

That the identity of the northern kingdom has been lost to themselves and the world explains why there's so much confusion regarding this subject. I believe the Lord alone will give revelation to each individual regarding their house of Israel ancestry.
As I understand it, all of Israel except Jerusalem was exiled by the Assyrian army. The Assyrians did leave some house of Israel men. They imported foreign women to northern Israel so they would marry the Hebrews and so destroy the race. This used to be common practice.

 

[Oblio]

When the Mede-Persian army later conquered Assyria, they told the Hebrews that they could stay, go back to Jerusalem, or whatever they wanted. Some went back to Jerusalem, but as the Lord had earlier said would happen, most headed north and west. Up through the Caucasus mountains.

 

[DavidTree]

lol.. That does not take into account the people from the northern kingdom who came to judah and made their home there.

The Sameritans where the ones who stayed and mixed with the pagan and took on their Gods..

But remember. King david had a gentile mother.. Most likely there are no pure jews today. Even Jesus himself, the son of David, carried in him gentile blood.

The flesh

This passage makes literally no sense unless these are physical descendents.

I guess you never read the Gospels and the Apostles Letters.

 

[DavidTree]

This really adds to the discussion.

Can you show some humility and please knock of the nonsense..

Truth is nonsense to you?

You do not believe the words of Christ and His Apostles?

We find humility when we submit out hearts, minds and souls unto Christ = to believe His words over man, religion, politics and unbelief.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Yes, it's plain and clear in the bible, but not quite plain and clear in the 21st century reality. God wants us to know, He wants us to be wise, not ignorant, not dismissing topics like this one as irrelevant or incomprehensible.

We need to go by God's reality. He has already seen 144,000 redeemed Israelites in Heaven in the future. That is all that matters. So we simply take it as a literal revelation of what God knows and sees, not what we know or see and then re-interpret. You cannot simply take all the tribes and make them into the tribe of Levi. Especially when they are clearly designated as from the twelve tribes.

 

[DavidTree]

This really adds to the discussion.

Can you show some humility and please knock of the nonsense..

May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in Him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Isreal, Also known as Jacob, Is the name given to the 12 tribes of Israel

Israel also was the name of the northern kingdom of the split kingdom (judah and Israel)

When the northern kingdom was removed by Assyria, The only part left was Judah.

A jew is a person who is represented as being or living in the southern kingdom, Of where Jerusalem exists.

When they returned from Babylonian captivity. And in the time of Christ,. It did not matter what tribe you came from. You were called jew.

So you trying to make a doctrin based on semantics. is again hurting your own argument.

It does nt matter if I call them a jew, an Israeli, The children of Jacob/Israel. it all means the same to many people.

Just because YOU do not like it. Does not make it so.

Perhaps you should study more youself. and stop trying to show everyone else what you think they need to do

Semantics matter in this case, because in the time of Christ, only those from the southern kingdom of Judah were Jews, the ten tribes from the northern kingdom had never been Jews to begin with. Maybe some of them ended up as Samaritans, but none of them were "Jews", so "It did not matter what tribe you came from. You were called jew," that's a false statement by biblical definition.

A tree is known by its fruits. 23andMe ain't gonna help identify who they are, only by their testimony and character will they be known, that's all that matters in the eyes of God. and that's what we should really focus on.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

We need to go by God's reality. He has already seen 144,000 redeemed Israelites in Heaven in the future. That is all that matters. So we simply take it as a literal revelation of what God knows and sees, not what we know or see and then re-interpret. You cannot simply take all the tribes and make them into the tribe of Levi. Especially when they are clearly designated as from the twelve tribes.

A big problem is that there're no literal "twelve tribes" today, not since the northern kingdom was led into captivity by the Assyrians. There's a modern day Israel, but not consisted of 12 tribes. Yes, God knows who they are and keeps a record, but it wouldn't hurt to explore this part of the Revelation and how it might be fulfilled.

 

[Absolutely]

See, this is why Jesus preached in parables. "Seeing they do not see, hearing they do not hear".

Thank you.
Yes indeed, it perfectly defines you as resisting the 5 wise virgins as the bride of Christ.

1) are the 10 virgins virgins?
....yes
2) are they " bridesmaids" ....no
3) are half worthy, half unworthy?...yes
AHEM...did not Jesus say " pray that you may be counted WORTHY to escape the things about to come up on the Earth and stand for the son of God?".... Yes
4) did the worthy ones go into the marriage chamber with Jesus?...yes
5) is the bride of Christ VIRGINS? YES!!!!
6) Are non committed, carnal, non consecrated, pew sitters the bride of Christ? ....no
7) who benefits from changing Gods word concerning the rapture( Jesus coming for his bride ), into a abstract and indirect co event of meeting horses in the sky , therefore NEEDING the virgins to NOT POSSIBlY BE THE BRIDE?
DO POSTRIBBERS. benefit?.....definitely.
8) you have managed to make , Jesus coming for his bride, into "bridesmaids" ( rolleyes...what in the world are they????) That are waiting for Jesus, with Jesus gathering them, taking them with him INTO A MARRIAGE ROOM WITH A DOOR, .....( ahem, the rapture)
But it CANNOT POSSIBLY BE JESUS GATHERING HIS BRIDE?????

YEP!!!!! EXTREMELY BIZARRE and reckless.
Changing a vivid depiction for your belief system.

Whew....horrible.
It is really disgusting.

 

[Absolutely]

"And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that “I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams."

you did not answer his question.

That is because the 144k can not be found to be "missionaries".
You made that up.

 

[Absolutely]

Where does it say (or indicate) they are missionaries?

I've heard people say that over the years, but have never seen it in the text.

I know where that came from.
Rev 14, after the 144k are in heaven, angels are commissioned to preach the gospel.

Yet more evidence christians are in heaven during the gt.
( nobody left to preach)

But i know that ain't in the postribber workbook.

 

[Absolutely]

Isreal, Also known as Jacob, Is the name given to the 12 tribes of Israel

Israel also was the name of the northern kingdom of the split kingdom (judah and Israel)

When the northern kingdom was removed by Assyria, The only part left was Judah.

A jew is a person who is represented as being or living in the southern kingdom, Of where Jerusalem exists.

When they returned from Babylonian captivity. And in the time of Christ,. It did not matter what tribe you came from. You were called jew.

So you trying to make a doctrin based on semantics. is again hurting your own argument.

It does nt matter if I call them a jew, an Israeli, The children of Jacob/Israel. it all means the same to many people.

Just because YOU do not like it. Does not make it so.

Perhaps you should study more youself. and stop trying to show everyone else what you think they need to do

Yep
Jesus himself called the hebrews "Jews"