Donald Trump is a one-trick pony

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Roughsoul1991

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If they have a hay day when he tells the truth, do you really think him being impolitic or clumsy in his speech is the problem?

Look at Biden and Psaki and Harris. They have said horrific things that the press just glosses over or ignores.
I think you do not understand the difference between how things are phrased and getting your message out clearly. I never said anything about speaking truth or untruth. I'm simply talking about sentence structure and structure of speeches. When you take public speaking as a class you learn these things especially when you know your audience you must plan for that.
 

JTB

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I don't see conservativism as a part of Christianity. I've done a lot of evangelism, for years, and that had very little to do with politics. But I'm saying there are times the two intertwine and we as Christians have to take a side and stand along with prayer. Slavery ended because Christians got politically involved. And there are many other times that has happened. That was the point I was trying to make. And the more Christians who run for office and win, the better the country will be.
And I'm not arguing that we should ignore the sin of abortion. What I do object to is the idea that fighting abortion gives one a "look the other way" pass on a myriad of other sins. Sure Trump is against abortion. Good for him. But that does not forgive his mammon worship, his self-idolatry, his abandonment of the poor and sick, his misogyny, his contempt for the truth, the fact that he hung out with the likes of Epstein and rode the Lolita Express, etc etc etc. He went so far as to say said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and not lose one voter - and those who look the other way have proven him right. I just don't see that as a Biblical moral Christians should be supporting based upon him backing one subject to the detriment of many, many others. I for one REFUSE to look the other way and give him a pass.
 
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kaylagrl

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And I'm not arguing that we should ignore the sin of abortion. What I do object to is the idea that fighting abortion gives one a "look the other way" pass on a myriad of other sins. Sure Trump is against abortion. Good for him. But that does not forgive his mammon worship, his self-idolatry, his abandonment of the poor and sick, his misogyny, his contempt for the truth, the fact that he hung out with the likes of Epstein and rode the Lolita Express, etc etc etc. He went so far as to say said he could shoot someone in broad daylight and not lose one voter - and those who look the other way have proven him right. I just don't see that as a Biblical moral Christians should be supporting based upon him backing one subject to the detriment of many, many others. I for one REFUSE to look the other way and give him a pass.
I don't think I look the other way. We simply disagree on the man himself. And arguing that point is useless because neither of us will change our mind. I know people who know the man personally and say he is born again. That I do not know and can't know. If this is true then he is a baby in the faith and the old man in us doesn't always disappear overnight. A lot of what Trump said was sarcasm, not everyone gets that or understands it. But your other comments about him I would simply disagree with. As a Christian I don't have any issue in supporting him and I have all kinds of pastor and Christian friends that do. He's a president, not a pastor. He's hired to do a job, I believe he did it. Churchill had a similar personality and I believe God put him in place to fight Hitler and encourage the world to do the same. Is he in heaven today? Only God knows, but there is no doubt he was the man for the moment and he saved many Jews because of his character, one that they had previously fired him for BTW.
 
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RichMan

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If Trump is the Republican candidate in 2024 I will stay home on election day.
 

Nehemiah6

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#85
One guy here coined a term for that new political party - "Conservative anarchy".
Since the Democratic Party has already taken that label, and since true conservatism has nothing to do with anarchy, let the Demon-crats hold that title. It is indeed a demon controlled political party.
 

gb9

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Since the Democratic Party has already taken that label, and since true conservatism has nothing to do with anarchy, let the Demon-crats hold that title. It is indeed a demon controlled political party.

it is impossible for me to see how any Christ follower can be a dem.
 

Nehemiah6

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it is impossible for me to see how any Christ follower can be a dem.
Exactly. The Democratic Party = SATAN'S PARTY.

All one has to do is examine their platform, policies, and programs line by line and see that they were all spawned by Satan (and include the sacrifice of babies, infants and very young children to Moloch). The evil Leftists are no longer targeting adults.

They are targeting the most vulnerable group in society -- the little children. Whether it is through perverted sex education, gender conversion, masking, LGBTQ, BLM and CRT indoctrination, or filthy literature. They all need millstones around their necks and being cast into the sea. And every child needs to be removed from public school and either home-schooled or placed in a Christian school.
 
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And that is exactly why back in 2016 Trump should have ushered in a new and distinct political party -- by whatever name -- to achieve his objectives (as originally laid out). All those conservatives who were supporting RINOs for lack of an alternative would have joined the new party and the RINOs would have been history. But Trump had to make sure he kept his promises.
I agree with that and he actually threatened to do that at first. Republicans publicly begged for him to not do that. Late into his presidency he seemed to become more a part of the establishment than he did at the beginning. Really makes me wonder what's real and what isn't with them.

2024 is around the corner so if Trump wants to prove himself I think he should run independent.
 
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I agree with that and he actually threatened to do that at first. Republicans publicly begged for him to not do that. Late into his presidency he seemed to become more a part of the establishment than he did at the beginning. Really makes me wonder what's real and what isn't with them.

2024 is around the corner so if Trump wants to prove himself I think he should run independent.
I also might add, in my honest opinion about American politics, if Dems or Reps publicly beg the front runner to not run independent then it's possible because it threatens their survival. An independent Trump against the rest of the field would have done more than split the vote tremendously: it would have cleaved the vote.
 

Nehemiah6

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#91
LOL, Did I say that? If you even bothered to read what I said, I said I'd like to see Mike Pence run.
Trump did not come right out and say what needed to be said: "PENCE WAS A TRAITOR". All it would have taken is for one man with the courage and the loyalty to stand against the Leftist barbarians and do the right thing. Especially when he claimed to be a Christian.

Trump Fires Back At ‘Conveyor Belt’ Pence: I’m ‘Disappointed In Mike’
When asked if he would consider Mike Pence as his running mate in 2024, Trump responded by saying, “I don’t think people would accept [him].”

The former president also highlighted the “feverish” attempts by members of Congress to change the 1887 Electoral Count Act (ECA) that dictates how Congress counts the Electoral College votes.

“Mike thought he was going to be a human conveyor belt, that no matter how fraudulent the votes, you have to send them up to the Old Crow,” President Trump told the Washington Examiner in an interview Tuesday.

“But that turned out to be wrong. Because now, as you know, they are feverishly working to try and get it so that the vice president cannot do what Mike said he couldn’t do [but really [could].”

Recently, Mitch McConnell extended his hand to Democrats, offering to revise the law. Under its current form, the ECA allows states to appoint new electors, gives members of Congress the right to object to electors for any reason, and was written in a manner that grants the Vice President a considerable amount of maneuverability.

Even liberal “experts” have admitted that President Trump would have been able to retain the presidency had enough Republicans cooperated with him. Since, as you know, the ECA does not define the Vice President as serving a purely ceremonial role in the counting of Electoral College votes, Pence could have theoretically delayed the count or approved objections to electors.


But Pence refused to cooperate with the plan.

“Mike and I had a great relationship except for the very important factor that took place at the end. We had a very good relationship,” the president said. “I haven’t spoken to him in a long time.”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/trump-fires-back-conveyor-belt-pence-disappointed-mike/
 

iamsoandso

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#92
There will be plenty of others who will step forward and do the right thing.

hmmm. there is actually an leader that has captivated the vast amount of the earths heart at this moment in time and so far few have noticed him because they keep looking and looking and looking...
 
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kaylagrl

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it is impossible for me to see how any Christ follower can be a dem.

I agree. They've gone so far even Bill Maher can't hold with them. That's unbelievable.
 

ResidentAlien

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Trump did not come right out and say what needed to be said: "PENCE WAS A TRAITOR". All it would have taken is for one man with the courage and the loyalty to stand against the Leftist barbarians and do the right thing. Especially when he claimed to be a Christian.

Trump Fires Back At ‘Conveyor Belt’ Pence: I’m ‘Disappointed In Mike’

When asked if he would consider Mike Pence as his running mate in 2024, Trump responded by saying, “I don’t think people would accept [him].”

The former president also highlighted the “feverish” attempts by members of Congress to change the 1887 Electoral Count Act (ECA) that dictates how Congress counts the Electoral College votes.

“Mike thought he was going to be a human conveyor belt, that no matter how fraudulent the votes, you have to send them up to the Old Crow,” President Trump told the Washington Examiner in an interview Tuesday.

“But that turned out to be wrong. Because now, as you know, they are feverishly working to try and get it so that the vice president cannot do what Mike said he couldn’t do [but really [could].”

Recently, Mitch McConnell extended his hand to Democrats, offering to revise the law. Under its current form, the ECA allows states to appoint new electors, gives members of Congress the right to object to electors for any reason, and was written in a manner that grants the Vice President a considerable amount of maneuverability.


Even liberal “experts” have admitted that President Trump would have been able to retain the presidency had enough Republicans cooperated with him. Since, as you know, the ECA does not define the Vice President as serving a purely ceremonial role in the counting of Electoral College votes, Pence could have theoretically delayed the count or approved objections to electors.


But Pence refused to cooperate with the plan.

“Mike and I had a great relationship except for the very important factor that took place at the end. We had a very good relationship,” the president said. “I haven’t spoken to him in a long time.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/trump-fires-back-conveyor-belt-pence-disappointed-mike/
Hmm, wasn't it the Democrats who cried for four years the election was rigged and even instigated a witch hunt to "prove" it? And wasn't it the Republicans who gloated for four years telling Democrats to get over it? Well, the shoe's on the other foot now.
 
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Oblio

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Right is right...wrong is wrong!
 
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kaylagrl

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Right is right...wrong is wrong!
Well Alien seems to have an issue with answering posts from women, or just me. :cool: Rather ignorant I'd say. But here's the thing, hubby and I went on vacation with my parents. The trip to FL is too long for her and we had to stop half way for the night. So my father and I began to call around the half way point. Every motel we tried was fully booked. Finally one lady said " Oh Donald Trump is in the area. Everything around here is booked. Good luck on finding an opening. I'm sorry." We found a little place just off the exit on the outside of town behind a gas stop. We went to eat at a restaurant and there were people selling Trump merchandise everywhere we went. The next day they told us over 60 thousand people attended. People were standing on over passes with signs, on the sides of the road. You would have thought he was still president. That was this past fall. The OP is hoping Trump is a one trick pony, he isn't and the party is still fully behind him. So the OPs opinion is mere wishful thinking.
 
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Oblio

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I'd really like to see him back in office and have today's insanity turned around! But this is a global thing that's happening. What happens in America will happen around the world! Either we're going to be free or we're going to be enslaved.
 
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kaylagrl

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I'd really like to see him back in office and have today's insanity turned around! But this is a global thing that's happening. What happens in America will happen around the world! Either we're going to be free or we're going to be enslaved.
Seems we're leaving it up to the gov't to decide for us. I know they did in Canada. Now I hear reports of truckers being arrested here. Are we going to stand for that after what happened during the summer of love? Jessie Smollet however you spell it, just was released from his time in jail. Every Trump supporter ought to be angry over that fact and hold the gov't accountable. But they won't because he's black and the GOP have already let the plantation Dems retell the story of how the GOP are the real racists. smh
 
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Oblio

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It seems to me that we need a miracle! A really big one!
The war has conveniently derailed the truckers' protest!
Somehow, I just don't think it's a coincidence!
 

Roughsoul1991

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Hmm, wasn't it the Democrats who cried for four years the election was rigged and even instigated a witch hunt to "prove" it? And wasn't it the Republicans who gloated for four years telling Democrats to get over it? Well, the shoe's on the other foot now.
The difference in everything are the facts. Did Russia influence voters or hack voting machines?

Did Covid Emergency actions provide easy fraud and illegal activity in swing states to sway an election?

Russia collision and the Steele Dossier was investigated and proven to be no collusion and ended up being a set up paid my the DNC and Hillary Clinton campaign.

2016 election- investigations are still ongoing but state nonpartisan investigations have shown fraudulent acts in the swing states all directed to the DNC and folks like Mark Zuckerberg who helped fund it. Not including the illegal actions taken by state boards and attorney generals to bypass legislative measures.