We need to take another look at The Garden of Eden

[posthuman]

-Blood sacrifice is an abomination:

Proverbs 6:16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

dude

when God shed blood to cover Adam & Woman in the garden was that an abomination?
was God committing murder?

and when God laid down His own innocent life, shedding His own blood for us to purchase His church,
do you think that is an abomination?


look ahead on the road; point your arguments skillfully - be careful of where they lead!

 

[posthuman]

The tree of the knowledge of good & evil was not "evil" in and of itself. However, Adam & Eve had their eyes opened to the existence of evil because they ate from the tree.

The Scriptures plainly say that God's creation was/is "very good".

i do not agree that they had no knowledge of the existence of evil before they ate from the tree.

if they did not know right and wrong, they could not receive a command not to eat. they have to know that disobedience is wrong.
if Woman did not know the difference between good and evil, Satan's argument with her, and her own replies also, are meaningless. she perceives the fruit to be good for food, and desirable for wisdom -- therefore she has comprehension of 'not-good' and of 'not-desirable' because she understands a distinction between the two. she knows death is evil.

the rest of what you said tho, yes amen

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Spirit/Life is in The Blood

Leviticus 17:11
For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

Righteous spirit intentions through the Reborn spirit is The Way to have Life ..because it is using The Way ...reaching for the Tree of LIFE.

John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

‭‭Romans‬ ‭8:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬
‭‭There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

‭‭For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

John‬ ‭6:63‬
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Upholding His Image is Obeying Him in a Relationship that includes The Way, The Truth, and The Life. It is how His Righteousness is bestowed on you ...it is how you Overcome ...it is how you are Covered in His Blood.

The Way = His Righteousness
The Truth = Overcome the lies
The Life = Covered in His Blood

Mark 12:27
He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living. ...

The following says only those Born of GOD are capable of Biblical Love ...unless you are claiming to know Him with repeated willful sin in your life? How did you NOT Overcome anything if you know Him?

1 John 4:7
Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

You can cause spiritual blindness to The Truth ...which is death ...which is sin.


"The man called his wife’s name Eve, because she was the mother of all living."

Could "living" ...be talking about "living spirits"?

Eve's seed crushes the head of the serpent ...so do we if we have a Living spirit.

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is mankind

“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;

and man became a living soul.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when a man dies even in the Old Testament

“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:

and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we’ve always had living spirits when we die we have to face judgement by the spirit even these folk who died In The days of the flood were yet living by thier spirit there were just locked in a spiritual prison until Christ came

“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Spirit is life , flesh is bound to decay the blood is only the life of the flesh, spirit is the life of mankind. Blood atonement atones for mans flesh so we don’t immediately die for sin and have a chance to live and repent but the blood and spirit of Christ is a new creation and new beginning for mankind a new breath of life eternal

“And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[posthuman]

Paul was giving his testimony from before he was Saved

Romans 7 is in present tense.

we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
(Romans 8:23-25)
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Romans 8 only makes sense because Romans 7 is in present tense.

 

[posthuman]

CHRIST was Forsaken on The Cross ...that's where His Blood is ...do the math.

**suspiro...**

SING THE WHOLE SONG

For He has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted;​

nor has He hidden His face from Him;​

but when He cried to Him, He heard.​

(Psalm 22:24)​

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His blood is on the true ark in heaven.

 

[Obey-JESUS]

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This is mankind

“And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground,

and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;

and man became a living soul.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when a man dies even in the Old Testament

“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:

and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we’ve always had living spirits when we die we have to face judgement by the spirit even these folk who died In The days of the flood were yet living by thier spirit there were just locked in a spiritual prison until Christ came

“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭3:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Spirit is life , flesh is bound to decay the blood is only the life of the flesh, spirit is the life of mankind. Blood atonement atones for mans flesh so we don’t immediately die for sin and have a chance to live and repent but the blood and spirit of Christ is a new creation and new beginning for mankind a new breath of life eternal

“And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:”
‭‭John‬ ‭20:22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

A dead spirit is a human that uses the dead tree for intentions.


1 John 4:1 KJV
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Matt. 12:43-45
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this wicked generation.


They love satan's kingdom (the world)

1 John 2:15-16
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

James 4:4
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


They are not obedient to anything other than themselves.

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[posthuman]

So just to add to the topic some details, just from this verse we see here that we have to overcome. We have to overcome sin, and we have to overcome self. Grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God.

And this is the victory that has overcome the world — our faith.
(1 John 5:4)

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But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4)

if by works, then grace is no longer grace.
we are no longer under the law -- the law is the power of sin. ​

 

[DanielLL]

by having died.
thus no longer under the jurisdiction of the law.

If you died to sin, you can't sin no more, for How can we who are dead to sin continue to live any longer therein?

Also, beeing dead doesn't free you from judgement, He will judge both the living and the dead:

1 Peter 4:5 They will give an account to Him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.

 

[posthuman]

I think it does affect your understanding greatly. For example, Romans 13, one of the most abused and misused passages. Literally it seems to say governments are God’s chosen rulers therefore you must submit, but throughout the whole Bible, all these heroes stood up to authority and spoke truth to power - Moses, David, Daniel, Esther, Jesus Himself, and later the disciples. With this pattern in mind, you’d realize that in that passage Paul was simply giving his take on “render Caesar’s to Caesar and God’s to God.” Not only that, he pointed out that God’s authority supersedes government’s, so we must obey God first.

yes the prophets speak to kings, and prophesy.
but the people did not leave Egypt or Babylon by rising up against authority.
they submitted to it. even to unrighteous kings - who were God's own appointed instruments of judgement.
in Egypt and in Babylon, God caused those kings to let His people go.

 

[Obey-JESUS]

yes the prophets speak to kings, and prophesy.
but the people did not leave Egypt or Babylon by rising up against authority.
they submitted to it. even to unrighteous kings - who were God's own appointed instruments of judgement.
in Egypt and in Babylon, God caused those kings to let His people go.

Egypt was the tree of knowledge ...get it? He let His people go from it.


Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

 

[posthuman]

I was talking about the man made
“ Positional righteousness “ doctrine that’s something people invented and wrote in a modern book from
Calvins ideas and theories.

man-made?

hasn't He raised us up and seated us in heavenly places?

that's positional language, right?

 

[Obey-JESUS]

He let His People free from slavery! It was foreshadowing of JESUS freeing us from sin slavery!

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+31&version=KJV

Egypt is a tree in the Garden


8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.


9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.



Hmmm, this is weird ...Egypt is a tree ...in the midst thereof:

Isa 19:3
And the spirit of Egypt shall fail in the midst thereof; and I will destroy the counsel thereof: and they shall seek to the idols, and to the charmers, and to them that have familiar spirits, and to the wizards.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Egypt was the tree of knowledge ...get it? He let His people go from it.


Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

No, Egypt was the world, the Bablonian system, the first empire that oppressed God's people.

 

[posthuman]

Egypt was the tree of knowledge ...get it? He let His people go from it.


Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

that's Jerusalem being called Sodom & Egypt -- and Egypt is still a literal place, spoken of literally, even though it is also a spiritual thing, spoken of spiritually - even as Babylon. just as i do not suppose Jesus did not literally come in the flesh, i do not suppose Eden did not literally exist. the law contains figures and copies of the true things - but the law and the temple still literally existed.

the presence of the inner petals of a lotus does not mean the outer petals don't exist

 

[Obey-JESUS]

No, Egypt was the world, the Bablonian system, the first empire that oppressed God's people.

umm, do you think the tree of knowledge didn't apply to the world?

 

[posthuman]

You are saying one reaches for the Tree of Life after one has already been reborn?

That makes no sense to me. I do not have to reach for something I already possess.

yes in this case it is only necessary to cling/embrace

 

[Magenta]

umm, do you think the tree of knowledge didn't apply to the world?

It is called the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. What do you mean by "apply to the world"?

 

[Magenta]

yes in this case it is only necessary to cling/embrace

I would say "abide"

 

[Obey-JESUS]

More odd Scripture about Trees:


Judges 9:6-15

1. 6 And all the men of Shechem gathered together, and all the house of Millo, and went, and made Abimelech king, by the plain of the pillar that was in Shechem.
   
   
2. 7 And when they told it to Jotham, he went and stood in the top of mount Gerizim, and lifted up his voice, and cried, and said unto them, Hearken unto me, ye men of Shechem, that God may hearken unto you.
   
   
3. 8 The trees went forth on a time to anoint a king over them; and they said unto the olive tree, Reign thou over us.
   
   
4. 9 But the olive tree said unto them, Should I leave my fatness, wherewith by me they honour God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
   
   
5. 10 And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us.
   
   
6. 11 But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?
   
   
7. 12 Then said the trees unto the vine, Come thou, and reign over us.
   
   
8. 13 And the vine said unto them, Should I leave my wine, which cheereth God and man, and go to be promoted over the trees?
   
   
9. 14 Then said all the trees unto the bramble, Come thou, and reign over us.
   
   
10. 15 And the bramble said unto the trees, If in truth ye anoint me king over you, then come and put your trust in my shadow: and if not, let fire come out of the bramble, and devour the cedars of Lebanon.

 

[posthuman]

We have another new member who speaks the same lingo and is uncertain about their spirituality, though I forget their name. I noticed them an hour or two ago.
Either we have one person with multiple accounts or there is a coordinated assault against the site by an outside group. Four new members with the same doctrine as Sudakar.

someone somewhere is sending out their children to make disciples, yup