Do SDA believe Michael is God?

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TheLearner

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Look at the contextual question and argument. It was about His eternal existence (egw eimi), not His office as messenger for the Father, and he came in His Father's name.

If you consider some rabbinical materials there are those that equate the Messiah to Michael.

Adam Clark notes:

"Yet Michael the archangel - Of this personage many things are spoken in the Jewish writings "Rabbi Judah Hakkodesh says: Wherever Michael is said to appear, the glory of the Divine Majesty is always to be understood." Shemoth Rabba, sec. ii., fol. 104, 3. So that it seems as if they considered Michael in some sort as we do the Messiah manifested in the flesh. ... ".

For instance:

"An angel of the LORD appeared." R. Yohanan said: This is Michael. ... Whenever they saw R. Yose the tall, they used to say, There is our holy Rabbi! So too wherever Michael appears, he is the Glory of the Shechinah. ..." - https://www.sefaria.org/Shemot_Rabbah.2?ven=Sefaria_Community_Translation&vhe=Midrash_Rabbah_--_TE&with=Translation Open&lang=bi

Others:

"... Michael as a name of the Messiah. Such was the opinion of the best among the ancient Jews (Wetstein, N.T., note on Jude 9; Surenhusius Bibles Katall., p. 701, etc.) ..."
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Bible.show/sVerseID/30682/eVerseID/30682/RTD/clarke
https://www.godtube.com/bible/jude/1-9
 
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Why is the OP topic about Michael's identification from the "SDA" perspective no longer being discussed, but rather every other thing under the sun? If it doesn't change back, I'm out.
 

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I think you should reevaluate that position:

JEHOVAH Elohiym is the eternal family/relationship. JEHOVAH is the singular eternal family name, while Elohiym (Gods, trio) are the individual Persons/Beings that exist in that eternal family/relationship, Matt. 28:19; 1 Jhn. 5:7,8.
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What you wrote does not make sense, please break it all down to shorter posts. start with family of God.

Odd tibit:

You can see how Jehovah families moved over time by selecting different census years. The Jehovah family name was found in the USA between 1880 and 1920. The most Jehovah families were found in the USA in 1920. In 1880 there was 1 Jehovah family living in Mississippi. This was 100% of all the recorded Jehovah's in the USA. Mississippi had the highest population of Jehovah families in 1880.
Use census records and voter lists to see where families with the Jehovah surname lived. Within census records, you can often find information like name of household members, ages, birthplaces, residences, and occupations.
View Census Data for Jehovah
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https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=jehovah
 

TheLearner

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Yes, no doubt, but there is a condition isn't there. She, from my perspective is an unbeliever, not a believer in present truth, and thus treated as a publican of which I did not treat her wrongly at all, but spoke plainly in matters of fact and even offered her a remedy to be cured of her plague in Christian charity (1 Cor. 13), even though she is on the enemy's side. She refuses, her prerogative, love isn't about force. She wants to remain ill, so be it. She does not keep God's commandments and calls those who do a cult. I am in good company:

Acts 24:14: "But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:"

Now back to the OP topic please. This thread is not about her is it? I suspect she can handle her own affairs and if she has issue with me, she can follow Matthew 18's counsel.
I have not followed her conversation. Is she at least treated with respect?
 

TheLearner

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LUCIFER (Φωσφόρος):
By: Kaufmann Kohler
Septuagint translation of "Helel [read "Helal"] ben Shaḥar" (= "the brilliant one," "son of the morning"), name of the day, or morning, star, to whose mythical fate that of the King of Babylon is compared in the prophetic vision (Isa. xiv. 12-14). It is obvious that the prophet in attributing to the Babylonian king boastful pride, followed by a fall, borrowed the idea from a popular legend connected with the morning star; and Gunkel ("Schöpfung und Chaos," pp. 132-134) is undoubtedly correct when he holds that it represents a Babylonian or Hebrew star-myth similar to the Greek legend of Phaethon. The brilliancy of the morning star, which eclipses all other stars, but is not seen during the night, may easily have given rise to a myth such as was told of Ethana and Zu: he was led by his pride to strive for the highest seat among the star-gods on the northern mountain of the gods (comp. Ezek. xxviii. 14; Ps. xlviii. 3 [A.V. 2]), but was hurled down by the supreme ruler of the Babylonian Olympus. Stars were regarded throughout antiquity as living celestial beings (Job xxxviii. 7).

The familiarity of the people of Palestine with such a myth is shown by the legend, localized on Mount Hermon, the northern mountain of Palestine and possibly the original mountain of the gods in that country, of the fall of the angels under the leadership of Samḥazai (the heaven-seizer) and Azael (Enoch, vi. 6 et seq.; see Fall of Angels). Another legend represents Samḥazai, because he repented of his sin, as being suspended between heaven and earth (like a star) instead of being hurled down to Sheol (see Midr. Abḳir in Yalḳ. i. 44; Raymund Martin, "Pugio Fidei," p. 564). The Lucifer myth was transferred to Satan in the pre-Christian century, as may be learned from Vita Adæ et Evæ (12) and Slavonic Enoch (xxix. 4, xxxi. 4), where Satan-Sataniel (Samael?) is described as having been one of the archangels. Because he contrived "to make his throne higher than the clouds over the earth and resemble 'My power' on high," Satan-Sataniel was hurled down, with his hosts of angels, and since then he has been flying in the air continually above the abyss (comp. Test. Patr., Benjamin, 3; Ephes. ii. 2, vi. 12). Accordingly Tertullian ("Contra Marrionem," v. 11, 17), Origen ("Ezekiel Opera," iii. 356), and others, identify Lucifer with Satan, who also is represented as being "cast down from heaven" (Rev. xii. 7, 10; comp. Luke x. 18).
https://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10177-lucifer
 

TheLearner

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Revelation 22:16
“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to tell you these things for the churches. I am the descendant from the family of David. I am the bright morning star.

Does this really mean that Jesus is Satan?
 

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Now for "only true God" and "only begotten":

Mono

Gene

Mono is simply "one", "only".

Mono is used in conjunction or connection, gene.

Gene refers to race or nature (that which makes up the content of essence), that which comes about or exists through/from another.

It's used this way even coming down to our English:

"gene (n.) 1911, from German Gen, coined 1905 by Danish scientist Wilhelm Ludvig Johannsen (1857-1927), from Greek genea "generation, race" (from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget"). De Vries had earlier called them pangenes. Gene pool is attested from 1946." - https://www.etymonline.com/word/Gene
The quotation below is from Michael S. Heiser's The Unseen Realm (Lexham, 2015), p. 36.

The Greek word translated by this phrase is monogenes. It doesn't mean "only begotten" in some sort of "birthing" sense. The confusion extends from an old misunderstanding of the root of the Greek word. For years monogenes was thought to have derived from two Greek terms, monos ("only") and genes ("to beget, bear"). Greek scholars later discovered that the second part of the word monogenes does not come from the Greek verb gennao, but rather from the noun genos ("class, kind"). The term literally means "one of a kind" or "unique" without connotation of created origin.
 

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Yes, no doubt, but there is a condition isn't there. She, from my perspective is an unbeliever, not a believer in present truth, and thus treated as a publican
Your dismissal and derogation of a well-respected CHRISTIAN sister is nothing short of despicable, and your self-righteousness is disgusting.
 

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You make excuses for everyone but me. For me you specifically make it your business to faultfind.
I see you for what you really are, not as you pretend to be. Your religion makes me sick of heart.
Posthuman is one of the loveliest and most knowledgeable members here.