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Hey SS It’s because Satan is the God of this world and has blinded the minds of the people- this is what the Word says and it’s sadly so true. The encouraging thing is, that when a person, male or female lol, when they get born again of Christ, He gives them a new heart, a new mind, they become transformed and get filled with His Spirit of love which is the greatest thing. A true Christian marriage, in stark contrast to the world, ought to be one of love and unity like Christ and His Church. We love Him because He first loved us and laid His life down for us, He is so kind and I personally know He loves me SO much. If men loved their wives like this they would probably have devoted, doting wives lol. Beautiful isn’t it!
I avoid reading anything to do with MGTOW etc. It’s sad and even distressing to read at times. I like to read about people like Derek Prince who has a wonderful testimony of how God led him to his wife Lydia and then after she went to Heaven, to his wife Ruth. They were wonderful marriages. Praise God, His design was never for all this selfish division, pride and enmity. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised at the World behaving opposite to what God wants 🥰 xxx
I avoid reading anything to do with MGTOW etc. It’s sad and even distressing to read at times. I like to read about people like Derek Prince who has a wonderful testimony of how God led him to his wife Lydia and then after she went to Heaven, to his wife Ruth. They were wonderful marriages. Praise God, His design was never for all this selfish division, pride and enmity. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised at the World behaving opposite to what God wants 🥰 xxx
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I find your post very interesting. Could you elaborate? What masters are you talking about here? How is our lifestyle unnatural today?
I'm not trying to argue, I really do find this discussion interesting.
I'm not trying to argue, I really do find this discussion interesting.
People suck. People have the sinful nature, and until that nature is destroyed, we're going to be petty, self-centered and self-destructive.
There's too much ego in every human endeavor, because we suffer from possibly that worst of spiritual maladies, pride. This pride would seem to be the root cause of all of the nonsense Simple alluded to.
Does it make sense? Of course not. But, that is the nature of the sin... it is a type of madness.
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Do you think "hate" is too strong a word?
Do you think "hate" is too strong a word?
Well, you're probably gotten all the answers already, but here's my quick overview.
Why do men and women hate each other?
1. Categories of Examination:
This question has a different answer for different categories (modalities) of examination. We can simply look at the question in different ways... in relation to different strata of life and reality. At different "levels" we'll see different versions of the same problem... the same problem but in different places, and in different states.
I'm going to address 3 basic categories in which we can easily see the problem in different states.
The categories are: theological, eschatological, and cultural/sociological.
(There are plenty of other categories, but this should be enough to get started.)
2. Theological Reason:
The theological reason is just sin. Humans have sin, so they tend toward wickedness, and pride, and destructive behavior. It's just sin... humans harm each other because of sin, and sin always spirals downward if unchecked.
It's that simple.
Being mean to each other is just sin.
3. Spiritual/Eschatological Reason:
The Spiritual/Eschatological reason is Satan at work.
Satan, as we know from scripture, wants to harm mankind. If he wants to harm mankind at the individual level, then destroying relationships is the perfect way to bring endless pain and misery. If he wants to eventually destabilize the entire world, so he can rebuild the whole world in his own image... then it's a brilliant plan to attack these same things. The building blocks of society are marriage and family. It is well known that families are the "glue of society"... when families breakdown, so does a society.
For Satan, destroying relationships and family is like a bullet that ricochets and hits everything: it brings individuals extreme and long-term misery, and it eventually destroys entire civilizations.
4. Cultural/Sociological Reason:
The Cultural/Sociological reason is a bit more complicated.
We have a situation where Neo-Marxism (injected with a healthy dose of postmodern irrationality) has worked it's way into the feminist movement, and thus created 3rd and 4th wave feminism, which are incredibly vicious and toxic. Men simply had REACTIONS to this, and one of those reactions was the MGTOW movement. MGTOW is not really a thesis in itself, but is purely reactionary. It is a bad reaction to something bad in the cultural. But as we all know, if someone treats you badly, and then treat them badly in return, everything just escalates out of control.
THAT is what's happening in the culture between men and women.
* Men to Blame?
What if someone wants to argue men started it all?
It's kind of irrelevant now. Regardless of whoever initiated the very first problems between the sexes, it''s irrelevant to what we see today. Nothing in early feminism or early anti-feminism has anything to do with this new and strange hydra. Third wave feminism has virtually no resemblance to the original feminist movement, or feminist goals. It is just pure Neo-Marxism, built on those false dichotomies of power dynamics and oppression, and then injected with a good dose of postmodernism to keep it as irrational as possible. It's just a weird and toxic creation.
(And I'm not trying to be one-sided, the men's groups that hate women are crazy as well.)
5. Can We Fix It?
I don't see how.
We can certainly fix it in our own lives and relationships, but I don't see how we fix something in the culture that is merely a symptom of other problems. And this IS just a symptom. Third wave feminism and MGTOW are just a symptom of Neo-Marxism and Postmodernism, which have inevitably led into all manner of ugly, toxic, destructive aberrations of society.
- We can pray. Pray a lot. All things are still possible with God. I see no human remedy, but God can still do all things.
Those are my quick thoughts.
It's probably poorly explained, but maybe it will help you get the issues better organized in your head.
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Why do men and women hate each other?
1. Categories of Examination:
This question has a different answer for different categories (modalities) of examination. We can simply look at the question in different ways... in relation to different strata of life and reality. At different "levels" we'll see different versions of the same problem... the same problem but in different places, and in different states.
I'm going to address 3 basic categories in which we can easily see the problem in different states.
The categories are: theological, eschatological, and cultural/sociological.
(There are plenty of other categories, but this should be enough to get started.)
2. Theological Reason:
The theological reason is just sin. Humans have sin, so they tend toward wickedness, and pride, and destructive behavior. It's just sin... humans harm each other because of sin, and sin always spirals downward if unchecked.
It's that simple.
Being mean to each other is just sin.
3. Spiritual/Eschatological Reason:
The Spiritual/Eschatological reason is Satan at work.
Satan, as we know from scripture, wants to harm mankind. If he wants to harm mankind at the individual level, then destroying relationships is the perfect way to bring endless pain and misery. If he wants to eventually destabilize the entire world, so he can rebuild the whole world in his own image... then it's a brilliant plan to attack these same things. The building blocks of society are marriage and family. It is well known that families are the "glue of society"... when families breakdown, so does a society.
For Satan, destroying relationships and family is like a bullet that ricochets and hits everything: it brings individuals extreme and long-term misery, and it eventually destroys entire civilizations.
4. Cultural/Sociological Reason:
The Cultural/Sociological reason is a bit more complicated.
We have a situation where Neo-Marxism (injected with a healthy dose of postmodern irrationality) has worked it's way into the feminist movement, and thus created 3rd and 4th wave feminism, which are incredibly vicious and toxic. Men simply had REACTIONS to this, and one of those reactions was the MGTOW movement. MGTOW is not really a thesis in itself, but is purely reactionary. It is a bad reaction to something bad in the cultural. But as we all know, if someone treats you badly, and then treat them badly in return, everything just escalates out of control.
THAT is what's happening in the culture between men and women.
* Men to Blame?
What if someone wants to argue men started it all?
It's kind of irrelevant now. Regardless of whoever initiated the very first problems between the sexes, it''s irrelevant to what we see today. Nothing in early feminism or early anti-feminism has anything to do with this new and strange hydra. Third wave feminism has virtually no resemblance to the original feminist movement, or feminist goals. It is just pure Neo-Marxism, built on those false dichotomies of power dynamics and oppression, and then injected with a good dose of postmodernism to keep it as irrational as possible. It's just a weird and toxic creation.
(And I'm not trying to be one-sided, the men's groups that hate women are crazy as well.)
5. Can We Fix It?
I don't see how.
We can certainly fix it in our own lives and relationships, but I don't see how we fix something in the culture that is merely a symptom of other problems. And this IS just a symptom. Third wave feminism and MGTOW are just a symptom of Neo-Marxism and Postmodernism, which have inevitably led into all manner of ugly, toxic, destructive aberrations of society.
- We can pray. Pray a lot. All things are still possible with God. I see no human remedy, but God can still do all things.
Those are my quick thoughts.
It's probably poorly explained, but maybe it will help you get the issues better organized in your head.
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I think I regret making this thread.
Yeah it is a very strong word...but the things people say in these groups are strong. I know MGTOW groups have a saying called AWALT (all women are like that). They believe all women are the same.
I mean I feel as if MGTOW men do hate women. I also think some feminists hate men.
Yeah it is a very strong word...but the things people say in these groups are strong. I know MGTOW groups have a saying called AWALT (all women are like that). They believe all women are the same.
I mean I feel as if MGTOW men do hate women. I also think some feminists hate men.
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I'm afraid it has caused some division. I hope not but that's the feeling I got.
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I think I regret making this thread.
Yeah it is a very strong word...but the things people say in these groups are strong. I know MGTOW groups have a saying called AWALT (all women are like that). They believe all women are the same.
I mean I feel as if MGTOW men do hate women. I also think some feminists hate men.
Yeah it is a very strong word...but the things people say in these groups are strong. I know MGTOW groups have a saying called AWALT (all women are like that). They believe all women are the same.
I mean I feel as if MGTOW men do hate women. I also think some feminists hate men.
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Hormones can cause anger, as you noted with PMS. While men have less cyclical and more constant hormones, that does not mean that their hormones don't contribute to anger in some ways. I don't think it is fair to give women and not men a hormonal pass.
Now hormones are not an excuse to hit others or be wrathful of course. We are supposed to be the master of our bodies, not the slave. But I think if everyone spent a few weeks as the opposite sex they would understand a lot better.
Now hormones are not an excuse to hit others or be wrathful of course. We are supposed to be the master of our bodies, not the slave. But I think if everyone spent a few weeks as the opposite sex they would understand a lot better.
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