The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.
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Wrong again. As usual you've got it completely backwards. Revelation 3:10 is Jesus' acknowledgment that these believers are clinging to and confessing HIS patient endurance in HIS work on the cross, so codified in the Word of Scripture, and proclaiming it faithfully and rigorously.
There were many so-called Churches in that day (and so many today as well), that took the path of apostasy, dening that Jesus' completed work on the cross is necessary and sufficient.
And there is no doubt that this is in fact yet another rapture verse. Of which there are many.
There were many so-called Churches in that day (and so many today as well), that took the path of apostasy, dening that Jesus' completed work on the cross is necessary and sufficient.
And there is no doubt that this is in fact yet another rapture verse. Of which there are many.
You said over a mile into the heavens not scriptural no matter how much you want to force your thoughts into scripture they dont fit. Please quote the verse that says that so i can agree with you 
Just pretend it was a submarine and the water did not cover the mountains
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I think you already believe that anyway if the obvious is so bizarre to you.
I already looked it up once and it did not in any way mean anything that indicates the boat did not float above the maintains since the water covered the mountains.
But that bible can be pesky to you postribbers.
I DO understand.
We’re on the same side, there’s no need for any quarrel between you and me. TEN in biblical numerology means perfection and legitimacy, ten virgins (or maidens) represent everyone, all nations on earth. That’s the minimal number. Regardless of who you think they are, this parable just tells us to be ready and prepared, don’t go charge your spiritual oil in the last minute, ‘cause that’d be too late; and most importantly, Jesus used this parable to explain the “one taken, the other left” part in the previous chapter. That simply means one gets to enter into God’s kingdom, the other left behind - and that’s REALLY left behind in utter darkness for eternity.
To go along with this post ^ , I'll just put this link to another post I just made over in a different thread (re: the "BRIDE / WIFE" aspect--who is not any of the "10 [or 5] VirginS [PLURAL]," who are distinct from the "Bride / Wife"):
Post #30 - https://christianchat.com/threads/gods-7000-year-plan-for-mankind-and-a-timeline.204363/post-4789749
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lol. Noah still didn't "leave earth" as you so confidently presume. He floated on water that was ON earth.
iow, Noah never left the earth.
The ark doesn't represent a trip to heaven in ANY way. The ark DOES symbolize Jesus Christ as Savior. Noah and family were SAVED through the water. They were IN the ark. Symbolizing faith IN Christ.
There is NOTHING about resurrection or a trip to heaven in the story of Noah.
iow, Noah never left the earth.
The ark doesn't represent a trip to heaven in ANY way. The ark DOES symbolize Jesus Christ as Savior. Noah and family were SAVED through the water. They were IN the ark. Symbolizing faith IN Christ.
There is NOTHING about resurrection or a trip to heaven in the story of Noah.
You really don't get it. Or maybe you really do but have to distract from your false narrative.
You own your own false narrative.
You tell Jesus what you have tried to force into Scripture that which is NOT THERE.
No you don't. You still haven't shown any verse that has Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.
So stop your fake news.
You own your own false narrative.
You tell Jesus what you have tried to force into Scripture that which is NOT THERE.
No you don't. You still haven't shown any verse that has Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.
So stop your fake news.
The entire Oliver Discourse. Don’t forget your spoon, eat it one bite at a time.
Don’t bother to slap Noah or Lot at me over and over again. Neither of them was snapped “in the twinkling of an eye” and rewarded with heavenly, incorruptible body by your definition of “rapture”. Neither the Ark nor “laid hold” is that “rapture”.
Don’t bother to slap Noah or Lot at me over and over again. Neither of them was snapped “in the twinkling of an eye” and rewarded with heavenly, incorruptible body by your definition of “rapture”. Neither the Ark nor “laid hold” is that “rapture”.
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I can agree with you there ^ ; except (in my view) neither section (and NONE of His Olivet Discourse) is covering the Subject of "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]," but of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH (Rev19) FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age (aka "the wedding FEAST / SUPPER," not the "MARRIAGE" itself)... basically the same as Lk12:35,36,37,38,40,42-44 is speaking about, where it states, "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" (i.e. as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom")... THEN the meal [G347; see also this word used in Matt8:11 and parallel--speaking of the earthly MK age--commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth]"
[the "one taken" is taken away in judgement (just as in Noah's day) and the one "left" is left to ENTER the earthly MK age in their mortal bodies (just as in Noah's day)... "saints / the righteous / Sheep" ONLY--no "goats" (again, "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" is not the Subject Jesus is covering ANYWHERE in His Olivet Discourse)]
[the "one taken" is taken away in judgement (just as in Noah's day) and the one "left" is left to ENTER the earthly MK age in their mortal bodies (just as in Noah's day)... "saints / the righteous / Sheep" ONLY--no "goats" (again, "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]" is not the Subject Jesus is covering ANYWHERE in His Olivet Discourse)]
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Sorry to have to break it to you but there is NO trip to heaven with tour guide Jesus.
All believers are given glorified bodies "when He COMES", which Rev 20:5 shows is at the END of the Tribulation.
The lol's on you.
1 Cor 15:23, 2 Thess 2:1, Rev 20:5
And I didn't even break a sweat. It was real easy.
Now, it's your turn. Quote just one verse that has Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.
And don't hurt yourself in your search.
All believers are given glorified bodies "when He COMES", which Rev 20:5 shows is at the END of the Tribulation.
The lol's on you.
1 Cor 15:23, 2 Thess 2:1, Rev 20:5
And I didn't even break a sweat. It was real easy.
Now, it's your turn. Quote just one verse that has Jesus taking glorified believers to heaven.
And don't hurt yourself in your search.
FreeGrace2 said:
It is interesting that the pretribbers keep very far away from the 10 plagues of Egypt, even though there is a lot of overlap between the 10 plagues and the various judgments on the earth during the Trib.
They use Rev 3:10 as "proof" that believers will be removed from earth during the Trib, yet God did NO SUCH THING with the Jews who REMAINED in Egypt, all the while the 10 plagues were administered.
God can keep faithful believers from His judgments, even though martyrdom will be common during the Trib.
In fact, Rev 3:10 is a promise ONLY for faithful believers.
"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."
So there is a condition for believers to be "kept from the hour of trial". They have to "patiently endure".
That STILL has application to the 10 plagues of Egypt. The Jews STAYED in Egypt all along, when the Egyptians were slammed with the plagues. Doesn't fit YOUR narrative (which is false) so you leave the 10 plagues out.
Just more fake news. All you can do is try to find some kind of "parallel" even when there isn't any.
The bottom line on your rapture theory is that Jesus takes glorified believers to heaven. There is NO EVIDENCE of that anywhere in Scripture.
It is interesting that the pretribbers keep very far away from the 10 plagues of Egypt, even though there is a lot of overlap between the 10 plagues and the various judgments on the earth during the Trib.
They use Rev 3:10 as "proof" that believers will be removed from earth during the Trib, yet God did NO SUCH THING with the Jews who REMAINED in Egypt, all the while the 10 plagues were administered.
God can keep faithful believers from His judgments, even though martyrdom will be common during the Trib.
In fact, Rev 3:10 is a promise ONLY for faithful believers.
"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."
So there is a condition for believers to be "kept from the hour of trial". They have to "patiently endure".
That STILL has application to the 10 plagues of Egypt. The Jews STAYED in Egypt all along, when the Egyptians were slammed with the plagues. Doesn't fit YOUR narrative (which is false) so you leave the 10 plagues out.
Just more fake news. All you can do is try to find some kind of "parallel" even when there isn't any.
The bottom line on your rapture theory is that Jesus takes glorified believers to heaven. There is NO EVIDENCE of that anywhere in Scripture.
Most all forums and the threads in them show how liberal the churches have become. Like the laws of the USA they are becoming more worthless daily. Folks find ideals that are just not in Scripture. So intent on being correct they over look the Word of God for their own words. Look at ME i have found the key to understanding this is such a shame. We have wonderful tools on line Bibles, computers, libraries , Books from Church fathers to glean from.. Yet we , as a group, languish in self importance .
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