The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

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Absolutely said:
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Just pretend they went through the judgement were not taken by the hand and drug out, and then in unison with your belief, removed post judgement.

Change it around.
Feel good about it.

Invincible ignorance
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And I heard a VOICE FROM HEAVEN saying, "Come out of her, My people! Lest you share her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues!" - Rev. 18:4

Here, your "days like Lot". Listen or not, it's up to you. Till Babylon the Great is down in ruins, no "rapture" there. Sorry to disappoint you, pal.
 
Carry_Your_Name said:
Keep fooling yourself, change the definition of words as you like. Noah and Lot were ON EARTH the whole time, when was either of them "removed" into heaven? They were not under judgement because they were PROTECTED, not "raptured" - or removed!
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It is interesting that the pretribbers keep very far away from the 10 plagues of Egypt, even though there is a lot of overlap between the 10 plagues and the various judgments on the earth during the Trib.

They use Rev 3:10 as "proof" that believers will be removed from earth during the Trib, yet God did NO SUCH THING with the Jews who REMAINED in Egypt, all the while the 10 plagues were administered.

God can keep faithful believers from His judgments, even though martyrdom will be common during the Trib.

In fact, Rev 3:10 is a promise ONLY for faithful believers.
"Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth."

So there is a condition for believers to be "kept from the hour of trial". They have to "patiently endure".
 
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Carry_Your_Name said:
Keep fooling yourself, change the definition of words as you like. Noah and Lot were ON EARTH the whole time, when was either of them "removed" into heaven? They were not under judgement because they were PROTECTED, not "raptured" - or removed!
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Never said either left earth..

You guys claim there is a rapture at the Lords coming.
Jesus said his coming will be as lot and Noah.

So now in your desperation you are saying nobody leaves at his coming.
His people never leave sodom and noah never leaves earth????

Lol
You just painted yourself into yet another corner by saying there is no gathering/ rapture at Jesu coming with lot and noah ,as the examples of Jesus is given.

Oh wait...They leave AFTER the flood /fire huh????
Like your doctrine depicts???
Or maybe just stick to no rapture at all?

Too funny.

Too funny.
No rapture huh?
 
Carry_Your_Name said:
And I heard a VOICE FROM HEAVEN saying, "Come out of her, My people! Lest you share her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues!" - Rev. 18:4

Here, your "days like Lot". Listen or not, it's up to you. Till Babylon the Great is down in ruins, no "rapture" there. Sorry to disappoint you, pal.
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Ok stay for your babylon deal. Live there so you can " come out of her"

Let your obscure verses remove what is plain and in the bible.

You just go to that default of ignoring verses.

Just assume you will run from cave to cave with the bad ole ac chasing you with his axe.
 
Carry_Your_Name said:
Keep fooling yourself, change the definition of words as you like. Noah and Lot were ON EARTH the whole time, when was either of them "removed" into heaven? They were not under judgement because they were PROTECTED, not "raptured" - or removed!
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Even when i stuck your nose in it....you come back ignorantly and say they were not removed.

SMH
 
Carry_Your_Name said:
Keep fooling yourself, change the definition of words as you like. Noah and Lot were ON EARTH the whole time, when was either of them "removed" into heaven? They were not under judgement because they were PROTECTED, not "raptured" - or removed!
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Yeah
We can all see lot stayed.

Change that ole pesky bible

I will keep exposing you
 
Absolutely said:
Jesus said his coming will be as lot and Noah.
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Go read the next few verses genius. That's describing the status quo, folks are eating and drinking like normal. Both the wicked and the good servants are still there, both the wise and foolish virgins are still there - TILL the bridegroom is coming. Why is nobody raptured? Keep laughing, pal. You're pathetic.
 
Carry_Your_Name said:
And right in the next verse Angel urged them to ESCAPE. So convenient of you to ignore that and take things out of context. And that's out of the city, not out of this world like your fantasy.
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Not enough to spoon feed it to you huh???



15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

They drug him and his family out.

But hey, make it say what you will.
It is just somehow in you to change it.
 
Carry_Your_Name said:
Go read the next few verses genius. That's describing the status quo, folks are eating and drinking like normal. Both the wicked and the good servants are still there, both the wise and foolish virgins are still there - TILL the bridegroom is coming. Why is nobody raptured? Keep laughing, pal. You're pathetic.
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Oh really?
You admit the setting is normal life like , as in a pretrib setting?

Thanks!
You are correct. It is NOT a postrib setting for the rapture.
I had forgotten about that.

Thanks for verifying it is a pretrib setting, and gathering ,as in lot and noah.
Neither are a postrib dynamic at all.
Yes postribbers shy away from that too.

.....or just omit it.
 
Beckie said:
So show me the change in Scripture, you know the part where God says Noah was over a mile into the heavens.
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He landed on ararat

Do i need to say more.?

The waters covered the mountains.
Ararat is the highest peak in Turkey and the Armenian Highland with an elevation of 5,137 m (16,854 ft)
From wiki
 
[QUOTE="You add to His Word then tell me i have disdain for Gods Words... I was poking fun at you not God.[/QUOTE]
SHOW ME THE ADDITION.
I CHECK EVERYTHING OUT.
You are shown the word of God and change it, then defend your changes.

SMH
 
Beckie said:
You add to His Word then tell me i have disdain for Gods Words... I was poking fun at you not God.
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My post was on noah rising over a mile into the heavens.

You scoffed at it and mocked it, calling it a spaceship

You own it.
Tell Jesus about it, not me.
I just report on what is written.
 
Absolutely said:
Prove it
I posted the bible and made you go against it.

So now the bible is " false narrative"

SMH
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Nope, you explain it to me why the ELECT are still there when Jesus descends in Matt. 24:29-31, why the ten virgins are still there when the bridegroom comes, why the three servants are still there when the master returns.
 
FreeGrace2 said:
So there is a condition for believers to be "kept from the hour of trial". They have to "patiently endure".
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The text states, "Because you have kept THE WORD OF THE patient-endurance of Me..."




[and yes, "keep you from THE HOUR OF..." refers to the [out-from] TIME-PERIOD OF... which is not at all the same thing that is being conveyed in John 17:15, as some like to try to equate to this]
 
Bottom line is noah entered the ark of protection by 2 things, faith and grace. The same as us.
He was saved from judgement by these 2 things.
"And the Lord shut him in".
The angels told lot that he has to be removed from sodom first before judgement starts.
Jesus said "I stand at the door and knock" if any man answers I will come and sup with him.
Paul said we are not appointed to wrath.
Noah was saved by grace and faith. Lot was saved by answering the (call) door and inviting the Lord in.
Both were saved by the word of the Lord. None had gone through or were harmed in any way by the judgement. They both escaped before judgement began.
 
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