Alcohol - a world wide phenomena

[peldom10]

What would you call someone who insists on presenting Scripture for only one side of a two-sided issue?

There is no other side.
Start a thread ..if you wish...on the ok's of drinking heavy drink and drunkedness.

 

[peldom10]

I'm advocating for a full-counsel-of-God approach to this issue. You want to suppress part of the word of God. Who is the radical leftist?

Then where is your counsel?

 

[Sipsey]

If only Christians wouldn't do what the devil does and quote only a portion of scripture and leave out the remaining context that would show the opposite of their assertive doctrines of devils.

Perhaps you should carefully study the entire context of the snippet of scripture you quoted and the words used.

What if I already did? I often avoid the long-winded approach and insert thought provoking snippets in order to invigorate brain involvement over the emotions.

 

[Dino246]

There is no other side.
Start a thread ..if you wish...on the ok's of drinking heavy drink and drunkedness.

Gee, I would have thought you were more intelligent than your post suggests. Oh well.

 

[tourist]

Gee, I would have thought you were more intelligent than your post suggests. Oh well.

Exactly. Go figure.

 

[tourist]

Your approach is consistent with that of folks who teach all manner of false doctrines: they refuse to deal with the Scriptures that contradict their pet heresies.

Yeah, Jesus turning water into wine clashes with their narrative.

 

[tourist]

You're assuming alcohol. Context in 1-2 Tim, etc preclude such. I specifically detail this in the research. If people fear utilizing Internet Archive, which has its own antivirus policies and government level backing, please feel free to combine it with virustotal website, which utilizes over 40 antivirus and malware checking software to double check the clean file (as a Christian sworn to the Truth, the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, my Yea, is Yea that the file is clean).

Really, you're not aware that wine has an alcoholic content? Don't get that stuff about computer files.

 

[tourist]

True, but the Bible speaks about drunkenness and gives little guidance on amount of consumption.

Paul told Timothy to drink a 'little' wine. Of course, it is unclear how much wine is in a 'little'. Maybe he meant drink a liter of wine. That would numb the pain for sure.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

What if I already did? I often avoid the long-winded approach and insert thought provoking snippets in order to invigorate brain involvement over the emotions.

Eph 5:18: "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;"

Explain.

I especially want to understand what your position is on "wherein is excess" in matters of the "wine('s)" nature.

Then I would like you to explain your position on the contrast of "μεθύσκεσθε" and "πληροῦσθε".

Then I would like you to explain the contrast of the "wine" and the "Spirit".

Please be prepared to address my concerns about your position and taking the first portion out of context. Thank you.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

Paul told Timothy to drink a 'little' wine. Of course, it is unclear how much wine is in a 'little'. Maybe he meant drink a liter of wine. That would numb the pain for sure.

Perhaps you might consider my study on that. Who was with Paul? Would a physician filled with the Holy Spirit really recommend alcohol for stomach ailments and other infirmities? What was Paul telling Timothy throughout 1-2 Timothy in context? Are there any known medicinal properties to the non-alcohol grape juice ('wine')? Why would Timothy restrict himself to just water? Were Nazarites still around? Were any becoming believer? Were any pharisees believing, and did some still accuse others of being winebibbers? Does the bible say anything about avoiding the appearance of evil? Does alcohol heal or bring injury to stomach, liver, kidneys, blood, brain and immune system? Does alcohol nourish or dry the bones? Does alcohol lead to sobriety or drunkenness? Does alcohol lead to whiteness (clarity) or redness (blurriness) of eyes?

 

[John146]

Yeah, Jesus turning water into wine clashes with their narrative.

People try to say that Jesus made water into fermented wine, but that is utter blasphemy. Six water pots of stone would have been about 72 to 162 gallons of wine, which would have got everyone drunk that was there. If this wine was fermented then Jesus broke the law and was a sinner. We know this is not so because our Lord is sinless and that Jesus made new wine, which is grape juice.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

Really, you're not aware that wine has an alcoholic content? Don't get that stuff about computer files.

The word "wine" in scripture does not always mean alcohol. If you would simply take a concordance I can show you numerous places it does not and cannot mean alcohol.

I don't believe you about your last sentence, but your prerogative.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

People try to say that Jesus made water into fermented wine, but that is utter blasphemy. Six water pots of stone would have been about 72 to 162 gallons of wine, which would have got everyone drunk that was there. If this wine was fermented then Jesus broke the law and was a sinner. We know this is not so because our Lord is sinless and that Jesus made new wine, which is grape juice.

Indeed.

Hab 2:15: "Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!"

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

Yeah, Jesus turning water into wine clashes with their narrative.

You mean Jesus the true and pure vine turning water into the pure blood of the grape (wine), juice without fermentation or alcohol, just as the natural vine does?

You mean Jesus the pure 7th vessel of stone pouring out himself in the 6 (number of man)?

You mean Jesus the real bridegroom offered intoxication to his bride and family and father?

If only you would not be lazy and download the PowerPoint, and view the study. I can even tell you step by step if need be so that ignorance does not prevail.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

The real trial of a Christian in this matter is trying to separate a Christian from their intoxicating idol of booze, for they which partake are addicted to it, and struggle to part from it, and even have their denial that they are addicted and need intervention and prayer and fasting permanently from the desensitizing (numbing) poison. They cannot see that alcohol has blinded them.

 

[tourist]

You mean Jesus the true and pure vine turning water into the pure blood of the grape (wine), juice without fermentation or alcohol, just as the natural vine does?

You mean Jesus the pure 7th vessel of stone pouring out himself in the 6 (number of man)?

You mean Jesus the real bridegroom offered intoxication to his bride and family and father?

If only you would not be lazy and download the PowerPoint, and view the study. I can even tell you step by step if need be so that ignorance does not prevail.

I don't need a study to determine what the word wine means.

 

[John146]

I don't need a study to determine what the word wine means.

What is strong drink?

 

[tourist]

The word "wine" in scripture does not always mean alcohol. If you would simply take a concordance I can show you numerous places it does not and cannot mean alcohol.

I don't believe you about your last sentence, but your prerogative.

Concordance says wine in regard to the wedding at Cana.

 

[tourist]

What is strong drink?

Perhaps whiskey, gin, or vodka.

 

[peldom10]

75 Scripture Warnings against drinking of Alcohol
‘There is more Scripture objectively condemning the use of alcoholic beverages than will be found on the subjects of lying, adultery, swearing, cheating, hypocrisy, pride, or even blasphemy.
(This is a wide collection...there are more specifics)

1) Genesis 9:20-26 – Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.
2) Genesis 19:30-38 – Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality
3) Leviticus 10:9-11 – God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.
4) Numbers 6:3 – The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.
5) Deuteronomy 21:20 – A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.
6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 – God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.
7) Deuteronomy 32:33 – Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.
8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 – Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.
9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 – Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.
10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 – Nabal died after a drunken spree.
11) 2 Samuel 11:13 – By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.
12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 – Amnon was drunk when he was killed.
13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 – The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated
14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 – Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.
15) Esther 1:5-12 – The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come.
16) Psalm 75:8 – The Lord’s anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.
17) Proverbs 4:17 – Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.
18) Proverbs 20:1 – Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.
19) Proverbs 23:19-20 – A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.
20) Proverbs 23:21 – Drunkenness causes poverty.
21) Proverbs 23:29-30 – Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.
22) Proverbs 23:31 – God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.
23) Proverbs 23:32 – Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.
24) Proverbs 23:33 – Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.
25) Proverbs 23:34 – Alcohol makes the drinker unstable
26) Proverbs 23:35 – Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning. Alcohol is habit forming.
27) Proverb 31:4-5 – Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment.
28) Proverbs 31:6-7 – Strong drink could be given to those about to perish or those in pain. Better anesthetics are available today.
29) Ecclesiastes 2:3 – The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not. (Ecclesiastes 12:8)
30) Ecclesiastes 10:17 – A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.
31) Isaiah 5:11-12 – Woe to those who get up early to drink and stay up late at night to get drunk.
32) Isaiah 5:22 – Woe to “champion” drinkers and “experts” at mixing drinks.
33) Isaiah 19:14 – Drunken men stagger in their vomit.
34) Isaiah 22:12-13 – The Israelites choose to drink; their future looks hopeless to them.
35) Isaiah 24:9 – Drinkers cannot escape the consequences when God judges.
36) Isaiah 28:1 – God pronounces woe on the drunkards of Ephraim.
37) Isaiah 28:3 – Proud drunkards shall be trodden down.
38) Isaiah 28:7 – Priests and prophets stagger and reel from beer and wine, err in vision, and stumble in judgment.
39) Isaiah 28:8 – Drinkers’ tables are covered with vomit and filth.
40) Isaiah 56:9-12 – Drinkers seek their own gain and expect tomorrow to be just like today.
41) Jeremiah 35:2-14 – The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.
42) Ezekiel 44:21 – Again God instructed the priests not to drink wine.
43) Daniel 1:5-17 – Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends.
44) Daniel 5:1 – Belshazzar, ruler of Babylon; led his people in drinking.
45) Daniel 5:2-3 – The king, along with his nobles, wives, and concubines, drank from the goblets which had been taken from God’s temple.
46) Daniel 5:4 – Drinking wine was combined with praising false gods.
47) Daniel 5:23 – God sent word to Belshazzar that punishment would be swift for the evil he had committed.
48) Hosea 4:11 – Intoxicating wine takes away intelligence.
49) Hosea 7:5 – God reproves princes for drinking.
50) Joel 1:5 – Drunkards awake to see God’s judgment.
51) Joel 3:3 – The enemy is judged for selling girls for wine.
52) Amos 2:8 – Unrighteous acts of Israel included the drinking of wine which had been taken for the payment of fines.
53) Amos 2:12 – Israel is condemned for forcing Nazarites to drink wine.
54) Micah 2:11 – Israelites are eager to follow false teachers who prophesy plenty of intoxicating drinks.
55) Nahum 1:10 – The drunkards of Nineveh will be destroyed by God.
56) Habakkuk 2:5 – A man is betrayed by wine.
57) Habakkuk 2:15 – Woe to him that gives his neighbor drink.
58) Habakkuk 2:16 – Drinking leads to shame.
59) Matthew 24:48-51 – A drinking servant is unprepared for his Lord’s return.
60) Luke 1:15 – John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine.
61) Luke 12:45 – Christ warned against drunkenness.
62) Luke 21:34 – Drunkenness will cause a person not to be ready for the Lord’s return.
63) Romans 13:13 – Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality.
64) Romans 14:21 – Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer.
65) 1 Corinthians 5:11 – If a Christian brother is a drinker, do not associate with him.
66) 1 Corinthians 6:10 – Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God
67) Galatians 5:21 – Acts of the sinful nature, such as drunkenness, will prohibit a person from inheriting the kingdom of God.
68) Ephesians 5:18 – In contrast to being drunk with wine, the believer is to be filled with the Spirit.
69) 1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 – Christians are to be alert and self-controlled, belonging to the day. Drunkards belong to the night and darkness.
70) 1 Timothy 3:2-3 – Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.
71) 1 Timothy 3:8 – Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.
72) 1 Timothy 3:11 – Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.
73) Titus 1:7-8 – An overseer is to be disciplined.
74) Titus 2:2-3 – The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.
75) 1 Peter 4:3-4 – The past life of drunkenness and carousing has no place in the Christian’s life.’

It is post #143...I will carry it forward for you.