Ukraine and Russia: Truth and Propaganda

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JStates said:
We're just getting started though. China will likely make a move on Taiwan soon, while Biden's pants are down with Ukraine. Actually, does Biden even wear pants? Isn't it just a diaper these days?

And I don't see any kind of Russian coalition attacking the US without serious provocation. I strongly suspect we are going to see some escalation between both the US and Russia AND the US and China prior to civil war here. Maybe even hot war with both.

I was just looking at nuke maps of the US. East Tennessee is at least decent in terms of low target priority and so-so fallout spread. So yay for that.
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If China makes a move on Taiwan they lose. Given the right equipment troop ships are an extremely vulnerable target. Taiwan has the right equipment.

Taiwan is a tropical mountainous island, the hardest target to invade, and paratroopers would be suicide without a land based invasion at the same time.

China cannot take out Taiwans airbase because it is dug in underneath a mountain and faces east to the Pacific. As long as the US, Japan and Australia protect the Eastern coastline China cannot get to it.

Taiwan has satellites, AWACs, Drones, Cruise missiles they are well equipped to sink Chinese ships. Not only so but every single person in Taiwan has gone through several years of military training so it is very easy for them to mobilize trained personel.

Then you haven't even considered a counterattack. China attacks Taiwan you can say good bye to the Yangtze river basin, 500 million people and their entire industrial base. The 3 gorges dam will be blown up immediately. Take out a few of china's biggest dams and 10% of their power grid goes down in a country that already has rolling blackouts.
 
ZNP said:
If China makes a move on Taiwan they lose. Given the right equipment troop ships are an extremely vulnerable target. Taiwan has the right equipment.

Taiwan is a tropical mountainous island, the hardest target to invade, and paratroopers would be suicide without a land based invasion at the same time.

China cannot take out Taiwans airbase because it is dug in underneath a mountain and faces east to the Pacific. As long as the US, Japan and Australia protect the Eastern coastline China cannot get to it.

Taiwan has satellites, AWACs, Drones, Cruise missiles they are well equipped to sink Chinese ships. Not only so but every single person in Taiwan has gone through several years of military training so it is very easy for them to mobilize trained personel.

Then you haven't even considered a counterattack. China attacks Taiwan you can say good bye to the Yangtze river basin, 500 million people and their entire industrial base. The 3 gorges dam will be blown up immediately. Take out a few of china's biggest dams and 10% of their power grid goes down in a country that already has rolling blackouts.
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I agree with everything you say. Also don't forget about the sea, these waters are very dangerous around the island. I live here with my husband and he has told me many times that there is only a couple of months during the year when China could get ships here.
 
ZNP said:
This is provocative every bit as much as Russia putting missiles in Cuba.
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No it is not. BIG DIFFERENCE. Missiles in Cuba would have been for attacking the USA. Missiles in Ukraine would be strictly for defense. Does anyone imagine that Ukraine has any designs on the annexation of the Russian Federation?
 
Nehemiah6 said:
No it is not. BIG DIFFERENCE. Missiles in Cuba would have been for attacking the USA. Missiles in Ukraine would be strictly for defense. Does anyone imagine that Ukraine has any designs on the annexation of the Russian Federation?
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We are talking about NATO missiles and yes, given the story of Revelation saying that we will have one world government run by the Antichrist as the reformed Roman Empire, yes, could definitely see this as a threat.
 
ZNP said:
Yes, the propagandists sound idiotic. Russia doesn't want civilian casualties.
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In that article, there's an interview that accuses the West of intentionally pitting two "brother nations" against each other unnecessarily. (Russia and Ukraine)

A lot has been said about "The Old New World Order versus the New New World Order" as related to this conflict. Insightful, actually, as we are about to see the fall of the West and the rise of the ravenous Bear and her allies.
 
JStates said:
In that article, there's an interview that accuses the West of intentionally pitting two "brother nations" against each other unnecessarily. (Russia and Ukraine)
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This is the MO of the deep state, the 1%, they always want to divide and have people fight each other to the death.
 
JStates said:
Indeed, and look how divided even good patriotic Americans are getting over Ukraine right now.
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Think how funny that is, all these ones who are all gung ho about fighting in Ukraine, they don't know where it is on the map, have no idea about Ukraine a week ago, and are clueless that the Ukraine is where 20 million died during WWII.

They also don't know that Russia has been complaining about 3 issues of national security concerning Ukraine and NATO for months and they don't know that Biden has provoked this hoping that Ukraine is burned to the ground because he knows they are investigating his crimes there and he wants that evidence destroyed.
 
ZNP said:
Think how funny that is, all these ones who are all gung ho about fighting in Ukraine, they don't know where it is on the map, have no idea about Ukraine a week ago, and are clueless that the Ukraine is where 20 million died during WWII.

They also don't know that Russia has been complaining about 3 issues of national security concerning Ukraine and NATO for months and they don't know that Biden has provoked this hoping that Ukraine is burned to the ground because he knows they are investigating his crimes there and he wants that evidence destroyed.
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Putin isn't Hitler, we aren't the good guys, a war will not be able to be contained "over there," and we will not win it.

But if NATO accepts Ukraine's 11th hour application to join, we might just get the World War III that the corrupt oligarchs and the sheeple seem to want.
 
ZNP said:
Yes, I suspect that all of these bunkers that have been built and stocked will be just fine. But the cities will be chaos. Imagine the US without any electricity. Sure, you can put a device on your car to protect it but what is the point if most gas stations are fried and you can't get gas anywhere? What is the point if your car works but 50% of our trucks are fried and 50% of our gas stations are fried? Even if you had a truck that worked would you risk driving cross country? you think porch pirates are bad, you would have gangs read to jump any trucker with a full load. They will put stuff across the highways to blow out the tires. The only thing that will still work is guns and they will loot and steal with impunity. Are you really going to send the military to fight in the Ukraine when the US cities nationwide are burning down?

How many ATMS would be fried, how many banks, how many of those little swipe machines at all the grocery stores and Walmarts, etc.?
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The long term effects of a nuclear exchange will likely be to send us back to the stone age. Bunkers won't protect people from radiation indefinitely. It is possible to recover from radiation sickness, but if every thing that grows is contaminated, there is no escape. Chernobyl is still a no-go zone. I don't believe Putin will pull the nuclear trigger, but who knows? I don't know if his generals will obey him if he says to go nuclear. There is always the element of self preservation. No one wins a nuclear war.
 
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ZNP said:
Think how funny that is, all these ones who are all gung ho about fighting in Ukraine, they don't know where it is on the map, have no idea about Ukraine a week ago, and are clueless that the Ukraine is where 20 million died during WWII.

They also don't know that Russia has been complaining about 3 issues of national security concerning Ukraine and NATO for months and they don't know that Biden has provoked this hoping that Ukraine is burned to the ground because he knows they are investigating his crimes there and he wants that evidence destroyed.
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Is this a joke? Russia complaining about a threat from Ukraine is like China worrying about being invaded by Taiwan. And the idea that Biden is provoking this war is ridiculous. The US has as much to lose as anyone if Putin gets his way. You don't burn down the house to get rid of a couple of rats.
 
Gideon300 said:
The long term effects of a nuclear exchange will likely be to send us back to the stone age. Bunkers won't protect people from radiation indefinitely. It is possible to recover from radiation sickness, but if every thing that grows is contaminated, there is no escape. Chernobyl is still a no-go zone. I don't believe Putin will pull the nuclear trigger, but who knows? I don't know if his generals will obey him if he says to go nuclear. There is always the element of self preservation. No one wins a nuclear war.
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All true, but the key there in your post is NUCLEAR EXCHANGE. If there's a civil war within America and command and control of the nuclear stockpile is disrupted, it will be more of a one-sided NUCLEAR EXECUTION.
 
JStates said:
All true, but the key there in your post is NUCLEAR EXCHANGE. If there's a civil war within America and command and control of the nuclear stockpile is disrupted, it will be more of a one-sided NUCLEAR EXECUTION.
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Why is it that Americans are so self obsessed? France, the UK, Pakistan, India, China, Israel and North Korea also have nukes. There are around 13,000 nukes. Probably 90% are in US or Russian arsenals. That still leaves 1300 shared by the other nations. The biggest threat is submarines. They can be anywhere, anytime. It would take just one to survive and launch its nukes. It does not matter who is the target. Nuclear fallout does not discriminate. By the way, one of my naval duties was the testing and repairing of fallout detection equipment. I'm fine. Just because my kids glow in the dark........just kidding. No, it was safe enough. I did have to learn about nuclear war and its likely consequences.
 
Gideon300 said:
Why is it that Americans are so self obsessed? France, the UK, Pakistan, India, China, Israel and North Korea also have nukes. There are around 13,000 nukes. Probably 90% are in US or Russian arsenals. That still leaves 1300 shared by the other nations. The biggest threat is submarines. They can be anywhere, anytime. It would take just one to survive and launch its nukes. It does not matter who is the target. Nuclear fallout does not discriminate. By the way, one of my naval duties was the testing and repairing of fallout detection equipment. I'm fine. Just because my kids glow in the dark........just kidding. No, it was safe enough. I did have to learn about nuclear war and its likely consequences.
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Great, well there are a couple of key laws that are just like the laws of physics. You can counteract the law of gravity for awhile with the law of aerodynamics, but eventually the law of gravity always wins.

If you buy those bombs you will ultimately use those bombs, it is a hard and fast rule.

Never underestimate the stupidity of man another hard and fast rule.

Then of course you have murphy's laws, if something can go wrong it will go wrong, another hard and fast rule.

Also, the Bible tells us that man will kill 1/4 of all humans on the planet with the opening of the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. So you tell me, apart from nuclear bombs is there any way to kill off close to 2 billion people?
 
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