Ukraine and Russia: Truth and Propaganda

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Hi all. We live in an era of extreme propaganda - being put out by ALL governments - so I wanted to share some thoughts and resources about what is going on between Russia and Ukraine right now. Take it all - including what I tell you - with a grain or two of salt and be careful about letting yourself be manipulated with falsehoods.

Keep in mind that one of the USA's NDAAs - National Defense Act Authorization, one is passed every year - actually overturned several historic anti-propaganda laws and MADE IT COMPLETELY LEGAL FOR THE US GOVERNMENT TO LIE TO ITS CITIZENS. This happened more than a decade ago.

I think I realized that this was going to be a propaganda-clouded conflict when I saw that three outlets - Fox, CNN, and The Gateway Pundit - were all running conflicting accounts of the same story. The only thing they all agreed on was that a military plane crashed in a residential area in Kiev. One said it was a Russian plane, shot down by Ukraine air defenses, yay freedom yay, etc. Another said, no, it was a Ukrainian fighter shot down by a Russian fighter in a dogfight. The third source said no, it was a Ukrainian plane shot down accidentally by friendly fire.

You've probably heard some propaganda already:

Did a Ukrainian fighter pilot nicknamed "The Ghost of Kiev" shoot down six Russian fighter jets in one day? No, this didn't happen. Propaganda.

Did courageous Ukrainians at the Snake Island garrison tell a Russian warship to "F- off" right before the Russians killed them all by shelling the island? No, this did not happen. The Ukrainians surrendered immediately and were captured by the Russians, confirmed after the event by both Moscow and Kiev. The initial story was propaganda.

Are Russians deploying mobile crematoriums in order to hide their massive casualties? No, pictures of "mobile crematoriums" are over a decade old and are from a Russian company that invented a mobile trash incinerator for disaster situations, not a crematorium for bodies, and the Russians are not using them in Ukraine now. Another propaganda story.

Where is this propaganda coming from? A lot of it is from the Ukrainians, who are taking to social media and posting a lot of garbage in English in order to influence Western perception. Then the corrupt Big Tech machine of the West has also been cranking out propaganda on Ukraine's behalf. Official Russian outlets are banned from Twitter and YouTube, and YouTube is censoring and suppressing content and blocking access to content to users in Ukraine.

What is clear is that Ukraine is very divided and their leadership is increasingly desperate. Prisons have been emptied and 25,000 automatic weapons were given out to anyone who wanted one so they could fight the Russians... except this has not really happened. Incidents of violence erupted as factions have taken advantage of the chaos to settle scores and improve their own situations. I have heard accounts of Ukrainians ambushing their own troops, and in some places Ukrainians are cheering for Russian troops as they come through, seeing them as liberators, not oppressors.

Some other things the media isn't saying is that there was significant violence prior to Russia's incursion into Ukraine. I found a map of explosions in Ukraine due to shelling, whether from factions or the Ukrainian forces, I couldn't fully settle, but the targeted areas were in the two breakaway Republics that Russia is moving to "protect." Over 14,000 civilians have died in those regions at the hands of other Ukrainians I am told. Some sources are also saying Putin is moving to secured bioweapons research facilities run jointly by the USA and Ukraine. Something else not being discussed much is NATO stationing missile systems in nations bordering Russia, some of these weapons platforms are within 100 miles of the Russian border and Russia has always made it clear that it sees these as a threat of future violence.

This is likely not a just war on either side. Ukraine has a corrupt government and much has been said about the Azov Battalion and its ties to a white power agenda (this military unit also has a political party founded by the founder of the Azov unit). I certainly do not think Putin is as pure as the driven snow, but the media's attempt to make him out to be a new Hitler is a propagandist argument missing significant historical context. And the West has certainly done much to box Russia in and MAKE them the new bad guys. War is profitable, after all, for the oligarchs who rule over us.

Another thing that is going on as this conflict continues is a spiritual awakening in both Russia and Ukraine. I am told that in Russia, a Christian movement that rejects the ritualism of the Orthodox church is spreading rapidly as people search for answers to what is going on right now. Likewise, despite the difficulties in Ukraine, the church is weathering these trials. My pastor also mentioned today that Ukraine is the nation which sends the most Christian missionaries out into other European countries. Good things may yet come out of this evil.

Blacklisted News has run some insightful articles on all this recently. Here are a couple to get you started if you want to read more, but as always, question everything. Hope this post has been insightful and encouraging. Prayers up!

https://www.blacklistednews.com/art...estern-propaganda-for-ukraine-is-epic-in.html
https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/27/7-fake-news-stories-coming-out-of-ukraine/
https://www.blacklistednews.com/art...riums-used-to-hide-evidence-is-from-2013.html
 
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Self corrections: NDAA stands for National Defense Authorization Act. I accidentally mixed up the A's in my OP. Also, concerning timeframes, it should read "almost a decade" not "over a decade." I think it was the 2013 NDAA that made the legal changes I mentioned, but I don't remember off the top of my head.
 

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Hi all. We live in an era of extreme propaganda - being put out by ALL governments - so I wanted to share some thoughts and resources about what is going on between Russia and Ukraine right now. Take it all - including what I tell you - with a grain or two of salt and be careful about letting yourself be manipulated with falsehoods.

Keep in mind that one of the USA's NDAAs - National Defense Act Authorization, one is passed every year - actually overturned several historic anti-propaganda laws and MADE IT COMPLETELY LEGAL FOR THE US GOVERNMENT TO LIE TO ITS CITIZENS. This happened more than a decade ago.

I think I realized that this was going to be a propaganda-clouded conflict when I saw that three outlets - Fox, CNN, and The Gateway Pundit - were all running conflicting accounts of the same story. The only thing they all agreed on was that a military plane crashed in a residential area in Kiev. One said it was a Russian plane, shot down by Ukraine air defenses, yay freedom yay, etc. Another said, no, it was a Ukrainian fighter shot down by a Russian fighter in a dogfight. The third source said no, it was a Ukrainian plane shot down accidentally by friendly fire.

You've probably heard some propaganda already:

Did a Ukrainian fighter pilot nicknamed "The Ghost of Kiev" shoot down six Russian fighter jets in one day? No, this didn't happen. Propaganda.

Did courageous Ukrainians at the Snake Island garrison tell a Russian warship to "F- off" right before the Russians killed them all by shelling the island? No, this did not happen. The Ukrainians surrendered immediately and were captured by the Russians, confirmed after the event by both Moscow and Kiev. The initial story was propaganda.

Are Russians deploying mobile crematoriums in order to hide their massive casualties? No, pictures of "mobile crematoriums" are over a decade old and are from a Russian company that invented a mobile trash incinerator for disaster situations, not a crematorium for bodies, and the Russians are not using them in Ukraine now. Another propaganda story.

Where is this propaganda coming from? A lot of it is from the Ukrainians, who are taking to social media and posting a lot of garbage in English in order to influence Western perception. Then the corrupt Big Tech machine of the West has also been cranking out propaganda on Ukraine's behalf. Official Russian outlets are banned from Twitter and YouTube, and YouTube is censoring and suppressing content and blocking access to content to users in Ukraine.

What is clear is that Ukraine is very divided and their leadership is increasingly desperate. Prisons have been emptied and 25,000 automatic weapons were given out to anyone who wanted one so they could fight the Russians... except this has not really happened. Incidents of violence erupted as factions have taken advantage of the chaos to settle scores and improve their own situations. I have heard accounts of Ukrainians ambushing their own troops, and in some places Ukrainians are cheering for Russian troops as they come through, seeing them as liberators, not oppressors.

Some other things the media isn't saying is that there was significant violence prior to Russia's incursion into Ukraine. I found a map of explosions in Ukraine due to shelling, whether from factions or the Ukrainian forces, I couldn't fully settle, but the targeted areas were in the two breakaway Republics that Russia is moving to "protect." Over 14,000 civilians have died in those regions at the hands of other Ukrainians I am told. Some sources are also saying Putin is moving to secured bioweapons research facilities run jointly by the USA and Ukraine. Something else not being discussed much is NATO stationing missile systems in nations bordering Russia, some of these weapons platforms are within 100 miles of the Russian border and Russia has always made it clear that it sees these as a threat of future violence.

This is likely not a just war on either side. Ukraine has a corrupt government and much has been said about the Azov Battalion and its ties to a white power agenda (this military unit also has a political party founded by the founder of the Azov unit). I certainly do not think Putin is as pure as the driven snow, but the media's attempt to make him out to be a new Hitler is a propagandist argument missing significant historical context. And the West has certainly done much to box Russia in and MAKE them the new bad guys. War is profitable, after all, for the oligarchs who rule over us.

Another thing that is going on as this conflict continues is a spiritual awakening in both Russia and Ukraine. I am told that in Russia, a Christian movement that rejects the ritualism of the Orthodox church is spreading rapidly as people search for answers to what is going on right now. Likewise, despite the difficulties in Ukraine, the church is weathering these trials. My pastor also mentioned today that Ukraine is the nation which sends the most Christian missionaries out into other European countries. Good things may yet come out of this evil.

Blacklisted News has run some insightful articles on all this recently. Here are a couple to get you started if you want to read more, but as always, question everything. Hope this post has been insightful and encouraging. Prayers up!

https://www.blacklistednews.com/art...estern-propaganda-for-ukraine-is-epic-in.html
https://off-guardian.org/2022/02/27/7-fake-news-stories-coming-out-of-ukraine/
https://www.blacklistednews.com/art...riums-used-to-hide-evidence-is-from-2013.html
Putin does not help his own case. He sends his assassins to murder his opponents. Those he does not murder he imprisons. Simply put, he is just the same as every other megalomaniac despot.

Russia is one the leaders in cyber warfare. Since nothing happens without his knowledge and consent, Putin is behind it all. He has "persuaded" the government to make him President for life. Xi has done the same thing. Kim murdered everyone who could have remotely been a threat, even those who supported him.

Can you imagine Putin being impeached or forced to resign? Who will make him? Trying to analyse despots through Western eyes is folly. China and North Korea have played by their own rules and made the West look foolish. Putin has added injury to insult and made the West look impotent.

Sure, the Western world is not squeaky clean. However, it cannot be compared to the regimes of Russia, China, North Korea and other murdering butchers masquerading as leaders.
 

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Biden is helping Putin. Right now we are buying oil from Russia at double the price because Biden cancelled our pipeline and approved Russia's pipeline.

Cutting Russia off from SWIFT does not stop the war effort if anything it tells them they must be in it to win it. If Russia continues to roll into Poland then he will have Europe by the balls, without oil and wheat all of Europe collapses. But I doubt it will end there, the best way to break through this banishment from SWIFT is to roll into the Mid East and take that over. Russia will allie with Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Syria, Turkey and a number of other countries to go up against Israel (Ezekiel 38).

This isn't because Biden is an idiot but because this is what OBiden wants. This paves the way for the Antichrist as the world cries out for peace and security. BTW, prior to rolling into the Mid East Russia will have to do a preemptive EMP strike on the US.
 

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Putin does not help his own case. He sends his assassins to murder his opponents. Those he does not murder he imprisons. Simply put, he is just the same as every other megalomaniac despot.
Correct. Putin is a KGB thug. And no matter what excuses he may present, he has attacked a sovereign country to grab it. Had there been (1) a genuine strong president in the USA, (2) a serious defense pact among the countries West and Northwest of Russia, and (3) a sincere desire in the West to stop Russian aggression, there would have been to war in Ukraine.
 

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Wow, so appreciative of all you who are calling for Putin to be put in his place.

The rest of the world appreciates your courage. You can get on a plane right now and once you are in Eastern Europe it would be possible for you to join the "freedom fighters" in the Ukraine. So courageous on your part, surely you know that during WWII 20 million died in Ukraine either at the hands of the Nazi's or Stalin. So know this, songs will be sung about you! (I can't promise that they won't be derisive mockery of you, but I'm sure that will not hinder you as you stand on your principles to right wrong and stand against tyrants everywhere).

Just to make this clear I really am appreciative that you would choose to go and die in Ukraine rather than send my kids, or my nephews and nieces, or even the kids of the saints in the church.
 

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Biden is helping Putin. Right now we are buying oil from Russia at double the price because Biden cancelled our pipeline and approved Russia's pipeline.

Cutting Russia off from SWIFT does not stop the war effort if anything it tells them they must be in it to win it. If Russia continues to roll into Poland then he will have Europe by the balls, without oil and wheat all of Europe collapses. But I doubt it will end there, the best way to break through this banishment from SWIFT is to roll into the Mid East and take that over. Russia will allie with Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, Iran, Syria, Turkey and a number of other countries to go up against Israel (Ezekiel 38).

This isn't because Biden is an idiot but because this is what OBiden wants. This paves the way for the Antichrist as the world cries out for peace and security. BTW, prior to rolling into the Mid East Russia will have to do a preemptive EMP strike on the US.
You overestimate Russia's capabilities. The only way he can achieve what you are proposing is to go nuclear. If he does, there will be nothing left worth taking.

It is more than possible to protect against EMP. I spent 13 years selling suitable products. It's no different from protecting against lightning. Aircraft can and do suffer direct hits from lightning and they keep flying.

Civilian infrastructure will suffer. Military far less so.
 

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You overestimate Russia's capabilities. The only way he can achieve what you are proposing is to go nuclear. If he does, there will be nothing left worth taking.

It is more than possible to protect against EMP. I spent 13 years selling suitable products. It's no different from protecting against lightning. Aircraft can and do suffer direct hits from lightning and they keep flying.

Civilian infrastructure will suffer. Military far less so.
Yes, I suspect that all of these bunkers that have been built and stocked will be just fine. But the cities will be chaos. Imagine the US without any electricity. Sure, you can put a device on your car to protect it but what is the point if most gas stations are fried and you can't get gas anywhere? What is the point if your car works but 50% of our trucks are fried and 50% of our gas stations are fried? Even if you had a truck that worked would you risk driving cross country? you think porch pirates are bad, you would have gangs read to jump any trucker with a full load. They will put stuff across the highways to blow out the tires. The only thing that will still work is guns and they will loot and steal with impunity. Are you really going to send the military to fight in the Ukraine when the US cities nationwide are burning down?

How many ATMS would be fried, how many banks, how many of those little swipe machines at all the grocery stores and Walmarts, etc.?
 

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Correct. Putin is a KGB thug. And no matter what excuses he may present, he has attacked a sovereign country to grab it. Had there been (1) a genuine strong president in the USA, (2) a serious defense pact among the countries West and Northwest of Russia, and (3) a sincere desire in the West to stop Russian aggression, there would have been to war in Ukraine.
https://rumble.com/vw2z4y-ukraine-asks-for-fast-track-eu-membership.html

This is provocative every bit as much as Russia putting missiles in Cuba.
 
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Sure, the Western world is not squeaky clean. However, it cannot be compared to the regimes of Russia, China, North Korea and other murdering butchers masquerading as leaders.
Oh, really? How many tens of millions of babies have been aborted in the West... and not by edict of a despot, but by POPULAR CONSENT OF THE PEOPLE. Still think we are "more righteous" than the East?
 
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BTW, prior to rolling into the Mid East Russia will have to do a preemptive EMP strike on the US.
It will likely be a combination of high altitude EMPs and direct nuclear strikes. It will be delivered by a coalition of Eastern powers - China probably included - during the United States' impending civil war when we are at our most vulnerable.

This is called "The Fall of Mystery Babylon" in the Scriptures and it's all laid out.
 

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It will likely be a combination of high altitude EMPs and direct nuclear strikes. It will be delivered by a coalition of Eastern powers - China probably included - during the United States' impending civil war when we are at our most vulnerable.

This is called "The Fall of Mystery Babylon" in the Scriptures and it's all laid out.
We are China's biggest customer, it would be like cutting off your legs to spite your face for China to attack us. On the other hand Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and N. Korea could care less if we are destroyed.
 

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The deceptions are exploding. But understand that Vladimir Putin is a Klaus Schwab protégé, just like Trudeau, Macron, and many other leaders. Not saying Russia is the good guys, just saying this whole thing is part of the Great Reset scheme. Look at the lies the MSM have promulgated:

FAKE NEWS Update:



1) Russian tank that ran over a civilian car in Kyiv was a Strela-10 Ukrainian air defense system. NOT Russian.

2) Photos of Zelenskyy in military garb with a helmet on are from a 2021 Ukrainian border inspection trip.

3) The “Ghost of Kyiv” MiG-19 shooting down a Russian Su-35 was from a Digital Combat Simulator animation.

4) The “Ghost of Kyiv” identitified as Samuyil Hyde is actually a pic of SAM HYDE, an internet prankster.

5) Photo of two children (girl in pink with teddy bear, boy saluting) watching convoy pass, are from 2016.

6) The photos of a woman saying goodbye to her man, going off to fight Putin’s Russians IS FROM A MOVIE.

7) Snake Island “martyrs” actually were NOT killed, and a video shows all 82 being transported to Sevastopol.

8) “Her Blood Is On His Hands” old lady photos that were on the front pages of The Sun, The Mirror, and The Guardian are actually images from years ago.
 

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Self corrections: NDAA stands for National Defense Authorization Act. I accidentally mixed up the A's in my OP. Also, concerning timeframes, it should read "almost a decade" not "over a decade." I think it was the 2013 NDAA that made the legal changes I mentioned, but I don't remember off the top of my head.
Was it illegal for the government to lie to its citizens before that?
 

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The deceptions are exploding. But understand that Vladimir Putin is a Klaus Schwab protégé, just like Trudeau, Macron, and many other leaders. Not saying Russia is the good guys, just saying this whole thing is part of the Great Reset scheme. Look at the lies the MSM have promulgated:

FAKE NEWS Update:



1) Russian tank that ran over a civilian car in Kyiv was a Strela-10 Ukrainian air defense system. NOT Russian.

2) Photos of Zelenskyy in military garb with a helmet on are from a 2021 Ukrainian border inspection trip.

3) The “Ghost of Kyiv” MiG-19 shooting down a Russian Su-35 was from a Digital Combat Simulator animation.

4) The “Ghost of Kyiv” identitified as Samuyil Hyde is actually a pic of SAM HYDE, an internet prankster.

5) Photo of two children (girl in pink with teddy bear, boy saluting) watching convoy pass, are from 2016.

6) The photos of a woman saying goodbye to her man, going off to fight Putin’s Russians IS FROM A MOVIE.

7) Snake Island “martyrs” actually were NOT killed, and a video shows all 82 being transported to Sevastopol.

8) “Her Blood Is On His Hands” old lady photos that were on the front pages of The Sun, The Mirror, and The Guardian are actually images from years ago.
Nothing to see here!

Do not let these facts dissuade any of you calling for people to fight Putin, by all means, get on the next flight to Eastern Europe!

I would encourage all people calling for the US and Europe to fight Russia to buy a plane ticket and go and offer your services to fight. This will be the strongest statement you can make in support of the theory of Evolution and survival of the fittest.
 
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This article is really interesting:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/really-going-ukraine-alternative-scenario/

Summary:

The Russians are highly organized and efficient, and they are taking Ukraine apart little by little without inflicting much infrastructure or civilian damage.

Ukraine's navy is gone, mostly captured at port within the first couple days.

Ukraine's air force depends on ground-based radar for air to air interceptions... the Russians destroyed their ground radar within the first few hours of their invasion, so Ukrainian fighter pilots are flying blind.

The Russians have avoided damaging the power grid and power in major cities including Kiev is still on.

The Russians are encircling and cutting off Ukraine's main fighting force in the Donbass Region. This force is the best equipped Ukrainian force, but the Russians have already destroyed their diesel fuel store and they will soon be cut off and immobilized.

The Javelins given to Ukraine by the West need an initial battery charge to fire. Many were given, but few were actually charged up prior to the invasion. No charge, no shot.

Only about 30,000 Russians have crossed into Ukraine so far. Most of their heavy equipment and technology is still in Russia, including 100,000 troops on the other side of the border.
 
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We are China's biggest customer, it would be like cutting off your legs to spite your face for China to attack us. On the other hand Russia, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and N. Korea could care less if we are destroyed.
We're just getting started though. China will likely make a move on Taiwan soon, while Biden's pants are down with Ukraine. Actually, does Biden even wear pants? Isn't it just a diaper these days?

And I don't see any kind of Russian coalition attacking the US without serious provocation. I strongly suspect we are going to see some escalation between both the US and Russia AND the US and China prior to civil war here. Maybe even hot war with both.

I was just looking at nuke maps of the US. East Tennessee is at least decent in terms of low target priority and so-so fallout spread. So yay for that.
 

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Nothing to see here!

Do not let these facts dissuade any of you calling for people to fight Putin, by all means, get on the next flight to Eastern Europe!

I would encourage all people calling for the US and Europe to fight Russia to buy a plane ticket and go and offer your services to fight. This will be the strongest statement you can make in support of the theory of Evolution and survival of the fittest.
We can stay aware and concerned about what's happening there because of the implications of what could happen here without joining the fight yet.