Alcohol - a world wide phenomena

[ChristianSubMissionary]

This thread is about "Alcohol - a world wide phenomena" from a Bible perspective.

Does the Bible talk about alcohol?

What does the Bible say about alcohol if it does talk about it?

Does the Bible give any warnings or prohibitions abouto it's use or improper use?

Does the Bible say anything about alcohol being a serious health problem in the last days or end times?

Did anyone drink alcohol in the Bible, and if so, who and for what reason?

If there are examples in the Bible of persons drinking alcohol, are they examples of good or evil?

If alcohol is mentioned in the Bible, what words are used for it, and what words are associated and/or surrounding it/them?

 

[Magenta]

Does the Bible talk about alcohol?

Yes.

What does the Bible say about alcohol if it does talk about it?

“Ecclesiastes 9:7 Go ahead and enjoy your meals as you eat. Drink your wine
with a joyful attitude, because God already has approved your actions.”

Psalm 104:14-15 “You make grass grow for cattle and make vegetables for humans to use in order to get food from the ground. You make wine to cheer human hearts, olive oil to make faces shine, and bread to strengthen human hearts.”

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water only, but use a little wine for your stomach’s sake and your frequent illnesses.

Proverbs 31:6-7 Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in
anguish! Let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.

Philippians 4:5 “Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.”

Proverbs 25:28 “Like a city with breached walls is a man without self-control.”

Does the Bible give any warnings or prohibitions about it's use or improper use?

Sobriety is recommended.

75 Scripture Warnings against drinking of Alcohol

1) Genesis 9:20-26 – Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.

2) Genesis 19:30-38 – Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality

3) Leviticus 10:9-11 – God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.

4) Numbers 6:3 – The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.

5) Deuteronomy 21:20 – A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.

6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 – God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.

7) Deuteronomy 32:33 – Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.

8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 – Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.

9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 – Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.

10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 – Nabal died after a drunken spree.

11) 2 Samuel 11:13 – By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.

12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 – Amnon was drunk when he was killed.

13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 – The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated

14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 – Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.

15) Esther 1:5-12 – The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to
come.

16) Psalm 75:8 – The Lord’s anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.

17) Proverbs 4:17 – Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.

18) Proverbs 20:1 – Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

19) Proverbs 23:19-20 – A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.

20) Proverbs 23:21 – Drunkenness causes poverty.

21) Proverbs 23:29-30 – Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.

22) Proverbs 23:31 – God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.

23) Proverbs 23:32 – Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.

24) Proverbs 23:33 – Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.

25) Proverbs 23:34 – Alcohol makes the drinker unstable

26) Proverbs 23:35 – Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning. Alcohol is habit forming.

27) Proverb 31:4-5 – Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment.

28) Proverbs 31:6-7 – Strong drink could be given to those about to perish or those in pain. Better anesthetics are available today.

29) Ecclesiastes 2:3 – The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not. (Ecclesiastes 12:8)

30) Ecclesiastes 10:17 – A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.

31) Isaiah 5:11-12 – Woe to those who get up early to drink and stay up late at night to get drunk.

32) Isaiah 5:22 – Woe to “champion” drinkers and “experts” at mixing drinks.

33) Isaiah 19:14 – Drunken men stagger in their vomit.

34) Isaiah 22:12-13 – The Israelites choose to drink; their future looks hopeless to them.

35) Isaiah 24:9 – Drinkers cannot escape the consequences when God judges.

36) Isaiah 28:1 – God pronounces woe on the drunkards of Ephraim.

37) Isaiah 28:3 – Proud drunkards shall be trodden down.

38) Isaiah 28:7 – Priests and prophets stagger and reel from beer and wine, err in vision, and stumble in judgment.

39) Isaiah 28:8 – Drinkers’ tables are covered with vomit and filth.

40) Isaiah 56:9-12 – Drinkers seek their own gain and expect tomorrow to be just like today.

41) Jeremiah 35:2-14 – The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.

42) Ezekiel 44:21 – Again God instructed the priests not to drink wine.

43) Daniel 1:5-17 – Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends.

44) Daniel 5:1 – Belshazzar, ruler of Babylon; led his people in drinking. (Cont'd)

 

[Magenta]

45) Daniel 5:2-3 – The king, along with his nobles, wives, and concubines, drank from the goblets which had been taken from God’s temple.

46) Daniel 5:4 – Drinking wine was combined with praising false gods.

47) Daniel 5:23 – God sent word to Belshazzar that punishment would be swift for the evil he had committed.

48) Hosea 4:11 – Intoxicating wine takes away intelligence.

49) Hosea 7:5 – God reproves princes for drinking.

50) Joel 1:5 – Drunkards awake to see God’s judgment.

51) Joel 3:3 – The enemy is judged for selling girls for wine.

52) Amos 2:8 – Unrighteous acts of Israel included the drinking of wine which had been taken for the payment of fines.

53) Amos 2:12 – Israel is condemned for forcing Nazarites to drink wine.

54) Micah 2:11 – Israelites are eager to follow false teachers who prophesy plenty of intoxicating drinks.

55) Nahum 1:10 – The drunkards of Nineveh will be destroyed by God.

56) Habakkuk 2:5 – A man is betrayed by wine.

57) Habakkuk 2:15 – Woe to him that gives his neighbor drink.

58) Habakkuk 2:16 – Drinking leads to shame.

59) Matthew 24:48-51 – A drinking servant is unprepared for his Lord’s return.

60) Luke 1:15 – John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine.

61) Luke 12:45 – Christ warned against drunkenness.

62) Luke 21:34 – Drunkenness will cause a person not to be ready for the Lord’s return.

63) Romans 13:13 – Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality.

64) Romans 14:21 – Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer.

65) 1 Corinthians 5:11 – If a Christian brother is a drinker, do not associate with him.

66) 1 Corinthians 6:10 – Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God

67) Galatians 5:21 – Acts of the sinful nature, such as drunkenness, will prohibit a person from inheriting the kingdom of God.

68) Ephesians 5:18 – In contrast to being drunk with wine, the believer is to be filled with the Spirit.

69) 1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 – Christians are to be alert and self-controlled, belonging to the day. Drunkards belong to the night and darkness.

70) 1 Timothy 3:2-3 – Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.

71) 1 Timothy 3:8 – Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.

72) 1 Timothy 3:11 – Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.

73) Titus 1:7-8 – An overseer is to be disciplined.

74) Titus 2:2-3 – The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.

75) 1 Peter 4:3-4 – The past life of drunkenness and carousing has no place in the Christian’s life.’ source

 

[ewq1938]

Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

Ecc 9:7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.

Pro 31:6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Pro 31:7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

Mat_9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.


New wine is grape juice that is beginning to ferment and creates a small amount of alcohol that's why it's called new. The fermentation process causes expansion which is why you can't use a stretched out old wine skin for new wine.

 

[Dino246]

I'm gonna grab a beer, sit back, and watch this unfold.

 

[tourist]

This thread is about "Alcohol - a world wide phenomena" from a Bible perspective.

Does the Bible talk about alcohol?

The first miracle Jesus performed was turning water into wine at the wedding at Cana.

 

[tourist]

I'm gonna grab a beer, sit back, and watch this unfold.

I'm not a drinking man anymore but if I was, I would grab a gin & tonic over crushed ice with a twist of lime.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

The first miracle Jesus performed was turning water into wine at the wedding at Cana.

Do you have evidence that the "wine" at the wedding was alcoholic, rather than the "wine" of non alcoholic grape juice?

It seems you might have assumption based upon the word "wine". Have you studied this word in scripture and in the context the wedding? I am only asking.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

I'm gonna grab a beer, sit back, and watch this unfold.

Would you like some reading material while it warms up?

PowerPoint ("Drink "UP" - these are not drunken as ye suppose")

https://archive.org/details/drink-up-these-are-not-drunken-as-ye-suppose

 

[TheIndianGirl]

Alcohol is allowed in the Bible but a lot of people should stay away from it due to its effects on mood. Alcohol has different effects on different people. Some people get more "happy", others easily depressed and others get mean/nasty and pick fights. For some reason it seems people are inclined one way or another with alcohol, you can almost expect it each time. People who get depressed or mean after drinking alcohol, and people who get easily addicted, should stay away from alcohol. Alcohol should be limited to people who can "eat, drink, and be merry".

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

Deu 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

Does the context of Deuteronomy 14:26 say that the "strong drink", or if alcoholic "wine", was to be drunk, or does the context say it was to be poured out?

 

[ewq1938]

Does the context of Deuteronomy 14:26 say that the "strong drink", or if alcoholic "wine", was to be drunk, or does the context say it was to be poured out?

"and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God"

Eat here can also means to consume so one can "eat" liquids. It was to be consumed not poured out.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

New wine is grape juice that is beginning to ferment

What about this "new wine" -

Isa 65:8: "Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all."

This "new wine" is "in the cluster".

I think you may have an incorrect assumption in your present definition.

While I agree that "new wine" can later gas off, it does not do so immediately, and does not do so readily when in preservation, which the people of God had.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

"and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God"

Eat here can also means to consume so one can "eat" liquids. It was to be consumed not poured out.

Are you sure? I think there are some other texts you need to consider in this context. How about it, do you want to look at some of those?

 

[SophieT]

I'm gonna grab a beer, sit back, and watch this unfold.

yes, but should you?

or perhaps you might?

I'm not sure if this is a poll or a quiz we should have studied for

I'm wondering if we are going to have the worldwide phenomena of tobacco next.

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

Alcohol is allowed in the Bible

What is your first, best and primary text that you presently base that ideology upon?

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

yes, but should you?

or perhaps you might?

I'm not sure if this is a poll or a quiz we should have studied for

I'm wondering if we are going to have the worldwide phenomena of tobacco next.

Thanks for the idea, I might recommend starting with what King James wrote about it second to the Bible. It will have to wait though.

 

[SophieT]

Thanks for the idea, I might recommend starting with what King James wrote about it second to the Bible. It will have to wait though.

I have lots of ideas. give me a holler when you need another one

 

[Lanolin]

alcohol is present in OLD wine
new wine doesnt have alcohol...its pretty much grape juice and anyone can drink it.

alcohol is fermented sugars...basically its turned rotten. It can be grapes,(wine) potoates, (vodka) wheat and grains (whiskey) juniper, (gin) apples (cider) Rice (sake) hops(beer)

 

[ChristianSubMissionary]

I find, and have found, through years of experience, that many people, and specifically Christians read the Bible through spiritual beer googles. They, en masse, have not done a careful and prayerful study of every use from Genesis to Revelation. That is what this study is for, to help aide the serious Bible student to a better way, a better, more clear and clean and holy and sober understanding - https://archive.org/details/drink-up-these-are-not-drunken-as-ye-suppose