NASA will never show you the spinning globe, but you can see the Earth is FLAT for yourself with infrared camera technology.

[posthuman]

If heliocentricity were true, Earth would be constantly accelerating toward the sun, and hence we would be able to feel it, as a race car driver on a track. That we can't shows that we're not moving, and heliocentricity is false (therefore, Earth is either a stationary ball - geocentrism, or flat).

we wouldn't be ((aren't)) accelerating towards the sun but in a vector tangential to the orbit. that vector ((relative to the sun)) changes relative to time - but because the radius of the orbit is large, the angular change over time is small ((relative to the earth's radial size & motion)), and it's below the level of our perception ((our perception is in fact molded by our constant experience)).

IOW you don't have a proof of flat tertiary topology. you have an observation about scale and about animal psychology.

this is actually a calculation we did in elementary physics 201 ((because it's not like you have some news flash that no one ever thinks of; it's well-known & elementary among anyone educated in physics)). to counter-balance the forces due to the rotation of the earth and the orbit of the sun, a 2-meter tall person should lean toward the east something on the order of an hundredth of a degree.

so the real question is whether you can tell ((without measurement apparatus)) if you are standing perfectly vertical relative to gravity to an accuracy of thousandths of a degree?

just how good is your physical inner ear, really, at determining reality, hmm?

 

[posthuman]

If earth is flat so too are all the planets in our solar system.

yes this is a perfectly reasonable assumption

 

[posthuman]

yes this is a perfectly reasonable assumption

but Venus and Mercury are observed to exhibit phases like the moon - and none of the other planets are.
this is consistent with earth being the 3rd planet from the sun in an heliocentric-orbit model of the solar system.
this is utterly inconsistent with flat-planet, and also inconsistent with an earth-centric system. it's yet another strong proof of the common knowledge of the physical topology of our local system.

 

[Magenta]

yes this is a perfectly reasonable assumption

I thought it was a non sequitur

 

[wintersrain]

I thought it was a non sequitur

Is it a non? If someone insists one planet in the solar system is flat?

Is the earth the only planet worthy of having an edge?

Edge. Get it?

 

[Magenta]

Is it a non? If someone insists one planet in the solar system is flat?

Is the earth the only planet worthy of having an edge?

Edge. Get it?

I use Edge

If earth is flat so too are all the planets in our solar system.

Non sequitur: it may seem a rational thing to assume and yet it does not necessarily follow that if one is flat so too must all the others be. Other logical fallacies would come into play here, such as the fallacy of the excluded middle. This "law of logic" stipulates that with any proposition, it must be either true or false; a "middle" option is "excluded".

 

[GaryA]

If earth is flat so too are all the planets in our solar system.

"If earth is flat..."

~ There is no solar system.

~ 'planets' are "wondering stars"

 

[JStates]

If earth is flat so too are all the planets in our solar system.

Why? You know the Bible specifically says that the Earth was created by God as a habitation for humanity, and it doesn't say that about the planets. The purpose of the sun moon and stars is for "signs, seasons, days, years" - Genesis 1.

By the way, in the Greek, "planetes" means "wandering star." Something to think about.

So I'll put this here, because so far, NOT ONE person has responded to the specific SCRIPTURES I posted on this subject. Since this is a CHRISTIAN website, I really wanted to have a discussion on that basis but all that has been ignored.

Arguing this on the basis of scientific dogma - considering the state of modern scientism (evolution? millions of years? the COVID vaccine is good for you?) - is pointless.

A Biblical Cosmology / God's Flat Earth OP:
https://christianchat.com/conspirac.../a-biblical-cosmology-gods-flat-earth.203409/

 

[JStates]

Is it a non? If someone insists one planet in the solar system is flat?

Is the earth the only planet worthy of having an edge?

Edge. Get it?

Also, serious flat earthers reject the solar system. We don't believe in a cracker Earth floating in space. That would be ridiculous.

 

[wintersrain]

I use Edge

Non sequitur: it may seem a rational thing to assume and yet it does not necessarily follow that if one is flat so too must all the others be. Other logical fallacies would come into play here, such as the fallacy of the excluded middle. This "law of logic" stipulates that with any proposition, it must be either true or false; a "middle" option is "excluded".

Well, aren't we Ms.Dictionary.

It doesn't make any sense for the OP videographer to claim this one planet is flat.

We're so special that God said, let there be pancake?

Isaiah 40 talks about the circle that is earth.

Some could argue earth is square when reading verses talking about it's four corners. Or insist it sits on pillars in space.

The flat earth argument is silly.

 

[wintersrain]

I use Edge

Non sequitur: it may seem a rational thing to assume and yet it does not necessarily follow that if one is flat so too must all the others be. Other logical fallacies would come into play here, such as the fallacy of the excluded middle. This "law of logic" stipulates that with any proposition, it must be either true or false; a "middle" option is "excluded".

Well, aren't we Ms.Dictionary.

It doesn't make any sense for the OP videographer to claim this one planet is flat.

We're so special that God said, let there be pancake?

Isaiah 40 talks about the circle that is earth.

Some could argue earth is square when reading verses talking about its four corners. Or insist it sits on pillars in space.

The flat earth argument is silly.

 

[JStates]

Well, aren't we Ms.Dictionary.

It doesn't make any sense for the OP videographer to claim this one planet is flat.

We're so special that God said, let there be pancake?

Isaiah 40 talks about the circle that is earth.

Some could argue earth is square when reading verses talking about its four corners. Or insist it sits on pillars in space.

The flat earth argument is silly.

Yep, I was always told the Bible teaches that the Earth is a sphere. That's just wrong. When I actually looked into the Hebrew, the word used in Isaiah for "circle" of the Earth means exactly that... a circle. The Hebrew word for ball is also in the book of Isaiah... so why not use "ball" to describe the Earth. That's what really got me digging through the Scriptures.

On God's flat Earth, up is up, down is down. God is literally "the Most High." Every eye WILL see Him when He peels back the firmament because everyone has a direct line of sight to the sky.

The builders of the tower of Babel were doing exactly what the Bible says they were... trying to reach heaven.

The Sun and the Moon in Joshua 10:12 did exactly what the Bible said they did. They stood still, the Sun over Gibeon and the Moon over the valley of Ajalon. The Earth didn't stand still... it's not moving!

When the Psalms say the Sun makes his circuit, it means that literally. The Sun moves, not the Earth.

I could go on and on... but that's why I posted the thread I already linked a couple comments back. I had so many Bible verses I had to post two full posts as the opener for the thread.

 

[posthuman]

The builders of the tower of Babel were doing exactly what the Bible says they were... trying to reach heaven.

hmm but the Bible doesn't actually say that; popular tradition says it.

And they say, ​

'Give help, let us build for ourselves a city and tower, and its head in the heavens, and make for ourselves a name, lest we be scattered over the face of all the earth.'​

(Genesis 11:4 YLT) ​

​

'tower' there is indicating a fortress. look at how it's used all over scripture.
there's a perfectly good word meaning 'top' in Hebrew, but that's not what is in Genesis 11:4 -- they say the 'head' of their fortress will be in the heavens - which can mean sky, also ((as in 'birds of the heavens' Genesis 1:28, 1:30, 2:19 etc))
the purpose isn't to 'reach heaven' but to ((1)) make a name for themselves and ((2)) prevent themselves from being dispersed over the earth.
God had told man to spread out and fill the earth ((Genesis 9:7))

so they wanted to build a fortress whose head is in heaven, or the sky; to amass themselves in defiance of God, to be mighty and renown.
who do they intend to be the head of this fortress?
why does God say they will be able to do anything if they are not stopped?
is God worried they will find out the earth is flat?

 

[Moses_Young]

hmm but the Bible doesn't actually say that; popular tradition says it.

And they say, ​

'Give help, let us build for ourselves a city and tower, and its head in the heavens, and make for ourselves a name, lest we be scattered over the face of all the earth.'​

(Genesis 11:4 YLT) ​

They may well indeed have been trying to reach heaven, because the bible says it plainly.​

​

Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.​

 

[posthuman]

They may well indeed have been trying to reach heaven, because the bible says it plainly.​

​

Genesis 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.​

That's not an accurate translation, as the post you quoted points out.

'reach to' is not in the Hebrew text. It says "is in"
'top' is not in the Hebrew text. It says "head"
'tower' is a fortress, not an elevator or ladder.

 

[wintersrain]

Yep, I was always told the Bible teaches that the Earth is a sphere.

But you know better. Because the Bible is wrong.

That's just wrong. When I actually looked into the Hebrew, the word used in Isaiah for "circle" of the Earth means exactly that... a circle. The Hebrew word for ball is also in the book of Isaiah... so why not use "ball" to describe the Earth. That's what really got me digging through the Scriptures.

On God's flat Earth, up is up, down is down. God is literally "the Most High." Every eye WILL see Him when He peels back the firmament because everyone has a direct line of sight to the sky.

The builders of the tower of Babel were doing exactly what the Bible says they were... trying to reach heaven.

The Sun and the Moon in Joshua 10:12 did exactly what the Bible said they did. They stood still, the Sun over Gibeon and the Moon over the valley of Ajalon. The Earth didn't stand still... it's not moving!

When the Psalms say the Sun makes his circuit, it means that literally. The Sun moves, not the Earth.

I could go on and on... but that's why I posted the thread I already linked a couple comments back. I had so many Bible verses I had to post two full posts as the opener for the thread.

The earth isn't flat. You'll never believe that though and instead will try to twist Bible verses to make your point. That looks really bad.
In 2019 the Flat Earth Society took what they insisted would be a full circumnavigation cruise to Antarctica to prove the earth was flat.
A bizarre thought process in the first place in thinking earth is flat. And one that includes their claiming an ice wall stops ships falling off the edge of our planet when ships travel the waters off Antarctica.
And apparently according to the FES the cruise ship companies are in on the conspiracy to say the earth is flat. If it were, so what?
https://flatearthlunacy.com/index.p...-the-truth-ryan-zehm-flat-earth-advocate-fail

 

[Dino246]

If earth is flat so too are all the planets in our solar system.

Wait... planets? Solar system?

You're talking to people who don't believe such things exist. It seems their imaginations are rather two-dimensional in this regard.

 

[wintersrain]

Wait... planets? Solar system?

You're talking to people who don't believe such things exist. It seems their imaginations are rather two-dimensional in this regard.

Hey, thank goodness for that Antarctica ice wall. If not for it the FES cruise ship passengers would have sailed right off our planet and into the abyss.
Proving their point.

 

[JStates]

Hey, thank goodness for that Antarctica ice wall. If not for it the FES cruise ship passengers would have sailed right off our planet and into the abyss.
Proving their point.

You don't understand what we believe. Firstly, serious Flat Earthers avoid the Flat Earth Society. It was begun by a Biblical flat earther almost 150 years ago but has been infiltrated by controlled opposition. FES teaches nonsense. They'll show you the cracker Earth floating in the heliocentric solar system. They'll say Australia doesn't exist. They'll tell you gravity is due to the Earth's upwards acceleration which pushes us into the ground.

There's no edge to fall off of that we know of. The ice wall is really an ice plateau, it extends from the sea upward about 100-200 feet and then you are at the level of the frozen plateau, which extends onwards for an unknown distance. No edge. Serious Flat Earthers describe this as an "Earth pond." The continents are islands in the pond. The shore surrounding it is the Antarctic ice plateau. There is land underneath the ice in some places, like south of South America. Look at the following images.

Note that the Bible says the face of the deep is frozen and the Urbano Monte map is from 1587.

 

[posthuman]

I thought it was a non sequitur

it certainly isn't necessarily true that all the heavenly bodies are flat if one is -- but it's something i agree you would justifiably expect, and if it didn't turn out to be the case, 'why not?' is an obvious question to be answered