You are still a slave to sin if you are still doing them. JESUS Gifted us The Way to Overcome!
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Let's be clear: I used to believe in OSAS, Sunday was the "Lord's Day", Eternal Torment was for the wicked, dead folks were dead but not surely dead, and a host of other false doctrines, but I had the cajones to question it all because I wasn't afraid of where the answers might lead.
I got fired from a $120,000/year job for refusing to break the Sabbath Jesus asks those who love Him to keep. The lions didn't eat Daniel cause he had too much backbone. No lilly-coward can be a Christian, especially not OSAS "more than conquerors" who gets their butt handed to them every time the devil shows up with his temptations.
I got fired from a $120,000/year job for refusing to break the Sabbath Jesus asks those who love Him to keep. The lions didn't eat Daniel cause he had too much backbone. No lilly-coward can be a Christian, especially not OSAS "more than conquerors" who gets their butt handed to them every time the devil shows up with his temptations.
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No OSAS would be pleased with a husband or wife claiming "once married, always married" as a basis for excusing infidelity....but the God of the Universe, with Whom they think they can bargain when the only thing they can bring to the bargaining table is a lost soul, had better honor that OSAS License to Sin.
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Saved by grace, bro. And the evidence that we're saved is that we keep the commandments, every one Jesus spoke at Sinai: 1 John 2:3-4 KJV Psalms 78:1-2 KJV
The Bible says the people would refuse to hear the truth, but would only desire "smooth sayings". The undisputed, heavyweight world champion of all smooth sayings is OSAS. What could possibly be any smoother a saying than to tell people that they can cling to their Jesus and their sin and still go to heaven?
The Bible says the people would refuse to hear the truth, but would only desire "smooth sayings". The undisputed, heavyweight world champion of all smooth sayings is OSAS. What could possibly be any smoother a saying than to tell people that they can cling to their Jesus and their sin and still go to heaven?
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I'm sorry you had to go through all of that I have had to go through a lot of changes in my view of doctrines not all were pretty, interestingly enough as far as the lords day if we are going to be specific it is neither saturday nor sunday by our standards it is appointed by the jewish calander which means at sundown the next day officially begin for them so by our standards it would stilll be saturday but to them it would be sunday.
The question was in my post #197
As far as whether osas is true or not whether one can lose their salvation or not honestly to me it isn't hard to understand we were purchased by God with his sons death we are not our own our salvation was not by our own doing we are slaves to Christs the deed of our souls are not in our hands but in his.
Unless of course you think different, otherwise can a one who is purchased make a claim for themselves? can a slave be their own master? do you think we can just snatch the deed from God's hands? So tell me did he purchase us with his sons death or not? are we slaves to Christ like Paul or not? does he own the deed to our souls or not? are we our own or not and was our salvation our own doing or not? and if you agree to even one of these things then by all means explain how one can somehow lose what isn't theirs to lose.
Now as to when I spoke I spoke about works not saving us I have not been feeling well today and may not remember when I posted it can show me where I posted it?
As far as whether osas is true or not whether one can lose their salvation or not honestly to me it isn't hard to understand we were purchased by God with his sons death we are not our own our salvation was not by our own doing we are slaves to Christs the deed of our souls are not in our hands but in his.
Unless of course you think different, otherwise can a one who is purchased make a claim for themselves? can a slave be their own master? do you think we can just snatch the deed from God's hands? So tell me did he purchase us with his sons death or not? are we slaves to Christ like Paul or not? does he own the deed to our souls or not? are we our own or not and was our salvation our own doing or not? and if you agree to even one of these things then by all means explain how one can somehow lose what isn't theirs to lose.
Now as to when I spoke I spoke about works not saving us I have not been feeling well today and may not remember when I posted it can show me where I posted it?
New Covenant: "I will write My laws in their minds and on their hearts".
"..written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God. Not on tables of stone, but on the fleshly tables of the heart".
See? The OC had the law written on stone, the NC has it written on our heart. OSAS says the only thing written in the NC is what's written on that OSAS License to Sin.
"..written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God. Not on tables of stone, but on the fleshly tables of the heart".
See? The OC had the law written on stone, the NC has it written on our heart. OSAS says the only thing written in the NC is what's written on that OSAS License to Sin.
I do remember I had typed something but deleted it so perhaps that is what you mean but I don't think it was about works not saving it had something to do with works as that was what we were discussing at the time but why would I prove your point after you specifically stated that is the first thing osas people do?
Then again who knows i have been loopy all day
Then again who knows i have been loopy all day
If you find it, please let me know. As for OSAS, I would like your opinion on the following:
Matthew 24:12 KJV says the "agape" of the "many" shall grow cold. They are contrasted with those in verse 13 who "endure to the end" and are "saved", which means these "many" will be lost. They are also in a worse spiritual condition than are the merely lukewarm Laodiceans who will be rejected and spat out of Jesus' mouth.
These "many" can be none other than the SAINTS - because "agape" is demonstrated by keeping the commandments (1 John 5:3 KJV) but the wicked can't keep God's commandments even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV).
(I'm still waiting for someone to deconstruct this line of reasoning and prove it wrong, because if not OSAS dies a horribly painful death right here. What say you?)
Matthew 24:12 KJV says the "agape" of the "many" shall grow cold. They are contrasted with those in verse 13 who "endure to the end" and are "saved", which means these "many" will be lost. They are also in a worse spiritual condition than are the merely lukewarm Laodiceans who will be rejected and spat out of Jesus' mouth.
These "many" can be none other than the SAINTS - because "agape" is demonstrated by keeping the commandments (1 John 5:3 KJV) but the wicked can't keep God's commandments even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV).
(I'm still waiting for someone to deconstruct this line of reasoning and prove it wrong, because if not OSAS dies a horribly painful death right here. What say you?)
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yes indeed and those consequences are made clear by the apostle Paul and others
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
we need only to trust the word and that will fix our thinking when it’s opposed and bring us into the spirit and life
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.”
Galatians 5:16 KJV
“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:3-7
constant in scripture
Great ... I would only say we have been set free to use the liberty we have been given to serve God but not the flesh, we may well use the liberty to serve the flesh but it will bring consequences. We are agreed 
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like:
of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
Galatians 5:19-21 KJV
we need only to trust the word and that will fix our thinking when it’s opposed and bring us into the spirit and life
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
John 6:63 KJV
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.”
Galatians 5:16 KJV
“But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.”
Ephesians 5:3-7
constant in scripture
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