Question in story of noah.

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a preference is not authoritative over other translations as we clearly know. None are the original. but because of witness and truth, we have what God wanted us to have to speak enough for righteous living and appropriate worship. None of us attacked the Torah but you attack the Penetuah and English translations. Are you more saved than those who have the bible in the NIV or KJV? Does Jesus listen to you more because you use Yahusa instead of Jesus?
Jesus quoted from the Tanakh in Isaiah, which the Tanakh also includes the Torah.

If it was good enough for God in the flesh, why isn't it good enough for His Creation that follows Him?
 
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What I find disagreeable about these forums is how many put forth their opinion as fact. It may be fact, but I think that if we put forth what we believe as one's opinion, there would be less contention and strife. Perhaps we could then be steel, sharpening off of each other.
Amen!
 
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It seems to me that the Nephilim were bigger, stronger, smarter. A larger skull may allow for increased intelligence, and 6 fingers and toes can do a bit more than 5.
I think Satan wanted to be like God. God had children. Though Satan couldn't create something new, he tried to improve on what God did. With disastrous results!
 
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It seems to me that the Nephilim were bigger, stronger, smarter. A larger skull may allow for increased intelligence, and 6 fingers and toes can do a bit more than 5.
I think Satan wanted to be like God. God had children. Though Satan couldn't create something new, he tried to improve on what God did. With disastrous results!
He knew what God meant in the Garden. He knew if man sinned that God had a Salvation plan. He wanted it to stop, but failed.
 
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You are nobody's judge,God is.
Presumption is at best a quess!
Agreed!

I will only state this in my defense:

A Believer in God is always judging if something is the Truth of God. It does not mean the Source is being judged, it means what comes forth from the Source is being judged.

Even the Gift of Discernment is in a continual 24/7/365 mode of judgement. You know if you are surrounded by like Believers or those who deny Christ, you can tell how they talk or present their side of the facts whether it is truthful or not, you are able to sense danger and safety, you are always being alerted by the Holy Spirit through judgement.

But even in a discussion using different Versions of the Bible, there is what was actually said, written, thought, and then there is the Version that was interpreted. And we know this process to how the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew and some Aramaic (Tanakh/Torah), then it was translated into the Greek Septuagint, then Jerome's Latin, and finally King James' English. And to think no translation errors were made, especially since the writers of KJV Bible admitted several major issues within their translation. And to ignore such fact, when more original and truer Sources exist, is where the Pride Factor is most obvious.
 

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Agreed!

I will only state this in my defense:

A Believer in God is always judging if something is the Truth of God. It does not mean the Source is being judged, it means what comes forth from the Source is being judged.

Even the Gift of Discernment is in a continual 24/7/365 mode of judgement. You know if you are surrounded by like Believers or those who deny Christ, you can tell how they talk or present their side of the facts whether it is truthful or not, you are able to sense danger and safety, you are always being alerted by the Holy Spirit through judgement.

But even in a discussion using different Versions of the Bible, there is what was actually said, written, thought, and then there is the Version that was interpreted. And we know this process to how the Old Testament was originally written in Hebrew and some Aramaic (Tanakh/Torah), then it was translated into the Greek Septuagint, then Jerome's Latin, and finally King James' English. And to think no translation errors were made, especially since the writers of KJV Bible admitted several major issues within their translation. And to ignore such fact, when more original and truer Sources exist, is where the Pride Factor is most obvious.




Brother,you do NOT have to defend yourself to me
Listen it wasn't the versions,whether angels mated with humans or not,but the insistence that YOU KNEW....and appeared to be dissing or looking down at the other.

I like the word I see in you both,but quibbling over something that isn't revelant to our position in the Lord is folly.

It appeared you were getting a little warm and needed to back off.

I am wrong more times than not when I don't stop and think how FAR I should push something.

I would love to have an opportunity to pick your thoughts and see how a Jewish born again brother meshes the O.T. and N.T. and how both apply to your walk.

I love my brethren and more than anything I LOVE the word.
There should be PEACE among us........
 
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Brother,you do NOT have to defend yourself to me
Listen it wasn't the versions,whether angels mated with humans or not,but the insistence that YOU KNEW....and appeared to be dissing or looking down at the other.

I like the word I see in you both,but quibbling over something that isn't revelant to our position in the Lord is folly.

It appeared you were getting a little warm and needed to back off.

I am wrong more times than not when I don't stop and think how FAR I should push something.

I would love to have an opportunity to pick your thoughts and see how a Jewish born again brother meshes the O.T. and N.T. and how both apply to your walk.

I love my brethren and more than anything I LOVE the word.
There should be PEACE among us........
God Bless You and I agree with you 100%

If you have any questions how i combine the Hebrew to the New testament i would love to share it. And I also enjoy having the Hebrew and English versions to see how each one is written. Example, on 5 occasions, the word Unicorn is used in the KJV to mean some kind of animal. And we can all agree that it could mean a rhino. But on 2 occasions, Unicorn is used to exemplify the Power of God. And that makes no sense to say God's power is equal to a rhino when in Job we have the Behemoth and Leviathan. But it is all educational to me. And it is all something I enjoy discussing.
 

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God Bless You and I agree with you 100%

If you have any questions how i combine the Hebrew to the New testament i would love to share it. And I also enjoy having the Hebrew and English versions to see how each one is written. Example, on 5 occasions, the word Unicorn is used in the KJV to mean some kind of animal. And we can all agree that it could mean a rhino. But on 2 occasions, Unicorn is used to exemplify the Power of God. And that makes no sense to say God's power is equal to a rhino when in Job we have the Behemoth and Leviathan. But it is all educational to me. And it is all something I enjoy discussing.



Yes,I would really really love to see the animals at creation and those described in Job.
You know God has a sense of humour, look at the giraffe but even then he had a purpose,to cull the trees. .....I think....lol

Great if I pop up with a question and we get frowned on we can take it to status.....its just smaller to talk in.

I have always,since I learned to love the Jewish people, wanted to have great fellowship among them and discuss OUR God!

In the last 100 years they continue to be treated as scapegoats for ALL manner of angst.
WW2, I have watched,and read everything I can find to understand their docility and humbleness.


Paul to me was always A completed Jew,wise in scholarly matters,then meet the Lord and God uses his inspired words to help us walk in righteousness!.....wow
 

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Jesus quoted from the Tanakh in Isaiah, which the Tanakh also includes the Torah.

If it was good enough for God in the flesh, why isn't it good enough for His Creation that follows Him?
it is also known Jesus read from the Septuagint. which was used in HIS day.
 
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It's quite remarkable once Alexander the Great conquered the known world, at that time, the Greek Language became a staple in many established Cultures.
 

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It's quite remarkable once Alexander the Great conquered the known world, at that time, the Greek Language became a staple in many established Cultures.
In the Septuagint was Enoch included?
 
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In the Septuagint was Enoch included?
I am not as familiar with the Septuagint like many others are, so I would hate to make a claim I have no business making. But others in this discussion have mentioned the Septuagint, so if they are reading, maybe they can be of better help.
 

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I am not as familiar with the Septuagint like many others are, so I would hate to make a claim I have no business making. But others in this discussion have mentioned the Septuagint, so if they are reading, maybe they can be of better help.

It wasn't,,, although it is interesting in that opposite to honey bees in an swarm cluster the scouts will waggle dance and recruit support from other scout bees to come to an agreement of an ideal home but people don't always make good collective decisions. For instance if an fire breaks out in an theater the collective mind of most will be to rush to the front door usually ending in disaster. In this case it's either angels can bare children with humans or not being used as validation of the book hence absolutely no one discusses any of the verses of the contents of the writing.
 

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In the Septuagint was Enoch included?
Despite being clearly well-known during the development of the Hebrew Bible canon, 1 Enoch was excluded from both the Tanakh’s formal canon and the Septuagint’s typical canon, and thus from the Deuterocanon’s writings. <- search engine find.
 

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Despite being clearly well-known during the development of the Hebrew Bible canon, 1 Enoch was excluded from both the Tanakh’s formal canon and the Septuagint’s typical canon, and thus from the Deuterocanon’s writings. <- search engine find.
yes I knew it wasn't but thank you...
 
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Despite being clearly well-known during the development of the Hebrew Bible canon
Really? What evidence do you have of that? The evidence I have shows that those things which are called lxx's (septuaginta), all stem from Origen's hexapla, written years post ascension of Jesus Christ.