when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.

[Blain]

Ok so I have to go with the idea and notion that free will should always favour a doctrine you can't agree upon, in your decision making for the right to choose on whether you should become offended, ?.

Should I go on step further with free will and say if I choose to follow a doctrin unknowingly out of blindness, Satan then gets of scot free for every sin he help to cause, and then that causes me to make someone else stumble and be blamed, then that is also my full responsibility because I have free will.

The stumbling part being by accepting free will and the right to choose, I was blind in pointing out he who sins is completely there own fault because God give you free will to choose. When actually all sin should always be investigated to see if there manipulation going on, befor you become the accuser of God's children, and have someone blamed completely for the sin that took place.

Is this a Calvinist doctrine to believe that the accuser of God's children, Satan is also a matter of free will.

And I don't call call for doctrines to be banned, just the root doctrines of all bad doctrines , which I believe the one I am calling for to be banned, is.

Free will and freedom of speech are both things I am a firm believer in so while yes I would agree with you on the matter that the devil is a stumbling block and free will does not always mean the responsibility of our sin is enitriely our own fault there are many who have accused the church of such things and worse still I would not bann such things as it goes against my belief in freedom of speech I would be a hypcryte if I were request such a thing or even support it.

As believers we will be faced by many adversities and accusers judgemnts and attacks even by and sometimes more often than not our own brothers in Christ we will be looked down upon for not meeting their standard or their way of doiing things not meeting their doctrines guidelines we will even be attacked called names we will be told we are not even children of God for not doing so the answer however is not banning such doctrines it is to do what Jesus did speak God's truthsto all who might recieve it and those who would not all who it falls on deaf ears shake your feet and walk away.


i am no stranger to such doctrines which you speak of I have failed to change very many peoples minds on the matter most people are so dead set in their ways of thinkijg they will not recieve you no matter how much evidence you provide to support your case no matter how much scripture you show no matter what way you speak to them they are children of the accuser you will know them by their fruits but how did Jesus react to all who accused him all who attacked him all who mocked him? Did he demand they be silent? You and I both know such a doctrine is not from God the enemy prowls around in the midst of the church but we were called to be prepared to face this to be prepared to face against a spiritual battle

It isn't going away you cannot silence it the best you can do islearn how to deal with it as a mature and strong believer.

 

[de-emerald]

Is OSAS teaching that a Christian is free to sin?

not by everyone no. But it does promote a free licsence to sin in the mindset of some people without the person realising they are sinning, and even in the mindset of other mature people it has promoted people to argue about salvation and play God which is a sin to play God,. OSAS has also prompted Good works of God to be condemned which is also a sin, OSAS has also produced quite a lot of leagalisic people condemning other Christians who don't share all there other beliefs that go with OSAS, which also should be a sin.

So can you see that OSAS promotes sin,. Also the doctrin I am calling to be banned, is also in the doctrin of those who play God with the doctrin of OSAS,

Personally my feeling on salvation, is, that is eternal salvation is decided by God alone and it can't be decided until you have run the race because you could denounce your faith.

 

[Dino246]

not by everyone no. But it does promote a free licsence to sin in the mindset of some people without the person realising they are sinning, and even in the mindset of other mature people it has promoted people to argue about salvation and play God which is a sin to play God,. OSAS has also prompted Good works of God to be condemned which is also a sin, OSAS has also produced quite a lot of leagalisic people condemning other Christians who don't share all there other beliefs that go with OSAS, which also should be a sin.

So can you see that OSAS promotes sin,. Also the doctrin I am calling to be banned, is also in the doctrin of those who play God with the doctrin of OSAS,

Personally my feeling on salvation, is, that is eternal salvation is decided by God alone and it can't be decided until you have run the race because you could denounce your faith.

The problem with your view is that everyone, including you, is therefore unsaved.

You cannot be “saved for now, pending future action”. You are either saved or you are not saved; there is no middle ground. So, instead of telling us all about your “feelings” which have no biblical basis, learn what Scripture says, believe it, and live accordingly.

 

[de-emerald]

I can't recall seeing anyone glorify satan that wasn't banned.

I can agree there are still false doctrines being held onto and expressed here.
Jesus said in the last days MANY false prophets will arise and if he hadn't shortened those days maybe none would be saved. I feel for those deceived , who refuse to see the TRUTH.

Satan is JUST a fallen angel,I don't let him worry me,I just cling tighter to God and his word.
We have examples in scripture that show he can NOT come against a BELIEVER without God permission.!
He has NO,I SAY NO power against the BLOODLINE of Jesus in our lives!

Jesus DID SAY that there would be many tribulation and persecutions against his believers,so there it is...... I'd be worried if I NEVER got tempted or tried... the devil doesn't bother with his own.


GOD HAS ....ALL....AUTHORITY AND POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH. Heaven is his throne,the earth his footstool.

are you sure there is scripture that says he can not come against God's children with out permission, or is the scripture really saying he will never get permission, ? And which scripture are you referring too. I have 30 scriptures or so even more than that, that say Jesus does not entertain evil one bit,

but if your going to post a scripture that says permission may be given, then that goes against 30 scriptures I can show suggesting no permission will ever be granted by Jesus.

 

[JTB]

I know we have had hyper grace banned here and sinless perfection considered a bad doctrin and probably banned.

Once saved always saved is finaly getting abolished by alot of churches, because it gives people a liscence to sin or makes people become a law unto them selfs.

However there is no condemnation for those in christ and we make mistakes, and we makes mistakes following bad doctrins.

The twisted doctrins of the law does not matter is also another doctrin from hell.

But the biggest most biggest most evil doctrin from hell is the one that says God allows evil to tempt or test people into sin, or God allows evil to test humans to see if they will sin. for many reasons but just one brief insight, is evil will always try to justify its presence, by saying God sent me, why well evil wants to defile Gods holy word.

Every good place we here from Jesus our mesiah, it is a big no no for christians and i have to wonder If christians or people are following the direct words of our mesisah, and why there is many many scripture that suggest Jesus would not allow evil to tempt a humanbeing into sin but yet 30 scriptures telling the truth against one telling a lie is not enough to convince christians or people that Jesus does not work satan,

While I don't believe in OSAS, I also don't believe many see it as a license to sin.

 

[de-emerald]

Being sovereign over all of creation, it’s impossible for God to be held to the same laws that govern created things. Being sovereign, whatever God does automatically conforms to righteousness because He has authority to decide what is righteous when and how it suits His needs.

For example, you aren’t allowed to decide who dies because that’s evil when you do it, but when God does it it’s righteous. You don’t get to make a virgin pregnant, seemingly without consent, but when God does it that’s rights. And the list goes on an on.

So when you see examples from the Bible of seemingly evil things coming upon people and it being used for God’s glory, you may be sorely mistaken so be patient and chose wisely.

John 9:1-3 KJV
1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

I may be mistaken, but are you saying that God can permits evil because he can do things you would not expect,?. Or are you saying Jesus was warning people not to be so quick to say that God works with evil, or are you showing me what I believe about this scripture.

I know in this scripture that maybe the reason why Jesus said this man is not a sinner was maybe some people where thinking God curses people, with blindness. And there was God Jesus in the flesh saying no, I do not and heals the blind man of his blindness.

There was many other scriptures where people with strange believes in the middle East where expecting Jesus to condemn but he never. There was also scripture where people with strange believes where expecting Jesus to use an act of evil but he never, like stoning a person to death. Which he never.

There are also many other scriptures where Jesus condemned those who lead people into sin with temptation.

 

[de-emerald]

While I don't believe in OSAS, I also don't believe many see it as a license to sin.

many church leaders do. And many other people do. I'm not a lone. And I've already said it promotes a licsence to sin, which you and others don't seem to grasp the difference, between me saying it teaches or promotes.

Teaching and promoting do not work in everyone's mind, so can you speak for everyone who hold to the doctrin of OSAS that they have never promoted sin here in this forum.

 

[Runningman]

I may be mistaken, but are you saying that God can permits evil because he can do things you would not expect,?. Or are you saying Jesus was warning people not to be so quick to say that God works with evil, or are you showing me what I believe about this scripture.

I know in this scripture that maybe the reason why Jesus said this man is not a sinner was maybe some people where thinking God curses people, with blindness. And there was God Jesus in the flesh saying no, I do not and heals the blind man of his blindness.

There was many other scriptures where people with strange believes in the middle East where expecting Jesus to condemn but he never. There was also scripture where people with strange believes where expecting Jesus to use an act of evil but he never, like stoning a person to death. Which he never.

There are also many other scriptures where Jesus condemned those who lead people into sin with temptation.

I don’t want to tell you what to think. I just wanted to give you the facts to the best of my understanding and you will make a decision.

 

[de-emerald]

There are many false teachers everywhere including this forum. I believe they had their headstart on internet forums or survive because they avoid the light of truth. I consider their beliefs prisons without walls. No amount of reason will set them free, until the walls are proven false. Jesus will rebuke them harshly.

Christianchat is a christological forum governed by internet rules. Only at the New Earth, when Jesus is the King with the Iron Rod and all will conform to Godly Doctrine or be removed. Expectation of a Christian mindset is reasonable but unlikely here.

It is best speak not to them lest they make you speak their gibberish, or speak to them lest their conceit leads other astray.

how far does it go tho, in the mindset of calvinism and free will and freedom of choice, Is it the doctrine that God is sovereign of Good of all evil , as seeing as how to understand all scripture.

Would you say calvinism promotes the wrong choice of free will, in the sense calvinism will try to use free will and freedom of choice is the way to understand all scripture both good and evil, and the reason why God then use evil as an instrument to. ?

Do Calvinists even tell you there a Calvinist here, ? I mean it would be nice to know. As I now have the feeling calvinism is converting many people into there way of thinking on this forum, and it seems , they don't want to share there faith with you, when you ask them too.

Do they think there understanding is the only way to understand the Bible. Or are they thinking they know something we don't in the sense, that we should take there understanding as absolute, because they seem pretty stubborn in there belief, infact more stubborn than any I have come across.

Do Calvinists openly admit to being Calvinists here and do they have a hidden agenda.

 

[de-emerald]

I don’t want to tell you what to think. I just wanted to give you the facts to the best of my understanding and you will make a decision.

your right you don't, but then why take this approach ? When you already have, are you a Calvinist have I offended you ?.

 

[de-emerald]

I see, But even so banning it seems a bit extreme if we banned every doctrine we disagreed with there would be none to discuss. There is always going to be doctrines you will come across that you will disagree with or that you may even be offended by that doesn't mean it is required to be banned though, I could ask that the sinless perfection doctrine be banned or that the doctrine of salvation by predestination be banned making it where only certain chosen people were predestined to be saved while others were predstined to be damned to hell be banned because I fisagree with those doctrines but it is peoples right to believe what they want to believe and speak what they wish to speak at least here in America. Besides it doesn't affect me any if they speak on these things if I don't allow it to it requires maturity to not only speak about such things but to hear of them to, I understand you don't want to see or hear about the things you have but you have to understand there are many kinds of believers out there with many kinds of beliefs not all will tickle your ears some may offend them that doesn't mean you need to ban their speech it just means you need to learn to take it in stride.

I can't agree with this approach that you're taking sorry. Because it's promoting free will with an extreme view, that freedom of choice must be allowed to stand. Regardless of the consequences.

It just doesn't seem right me that we should allow what could be the worst doctrin in the world to exist. because there are many other bad doctrines.

It' just does not feel right that we should allow the root cause of all bad doctrines to exist,

You could say if we ban it we upset a load calvinists, ,. But no sorry I can not agree with this Calvinist doctrin there completely wrong sorry. The sooner they realise it the better,. However I'm now willing to discuss this with Calvinists if they are. But they will have to accept I will never change my mind and become as stubborn as a
muel to.

 

[Runningman]

your right you don't, but then why take this approach ? When you already have, are you a Calvinist have I offended you ?.

I’m curious what you’ll see based off of the truths I just showed you. Often people resist the truth but every now and then people take those hard to swallow truths and embrace them.

I don’t see how this lead you to question if I am a Calvinist. No I am not a Calvinist. Why do you ask?

 

[de-emerald]

I’m curious what you’ll see based off of the truths I just showed you. Often people resist the truth but every now and then people take those hard to swallow truths and embrace them.

I don’t see how this lead you to question if I am a Calvinist. No I am not a Calvinist. Why do you ask?

It's a Calvinist doctrin that God is sovereign God of everything, and so there for God is the sovereign God of Evil to, and the reason why God uses evil as a instrument, but if you look at the deep sinister mentality here you may as well say God only created Satan to destroy him, after his use was up. Are we going to say God is really that sinister.

Your last post seems to suggest the same doctrine.

But then part of your last post quoted scripture that I see as we shouldn't be so quick to Say God permits evil.

But you still have not said as much.
I don't think I have played any games with you ever.

 

[Runningman]

It's a Calvinist doctrin that God is sovereign God of everything, and so there for God is the sovereign God of Evil to, and the reason why God uses evil as a instrument, but if you look at the deep sinister mentality here you may as well say God only created Satan to destroy him, after his use was up. Are we going to say God is really that sinister.

Your last post seems to suggest the same doctrine.

But then part of your last post quoted scripture that I see as we shouldn't be so quick to Say God permits evil.

But you still have not said as much.
I don't think I have played any games with you ever.

Oh okay, I quote John 9:1-3 where God blinded a man, allowed him to live a life of struggle and pain, in order to later heal him and that prompts you two dedicate two posts to how I’m possibly a Calvinist, in your opinion?

Oh, so you’re saying God is not sovereign? I mean, I didn’t even start quoting scripture. God claims to be sovereign numerous times in the Bible. This is just sola scriptura.

I want to encourage you to stay on topic rather than attempting to assign labels to me. My posts going forward I’ll start quoting scripture to meticulously validate every single one of my talking points.

 

[Blain]

I can't agree with this approach that you're taking sorry. Because it's promoting free will with an extreme view, that freedom of choice must be allowed to stand. Regardless of the consequences.

It just doesn't seem right me that we should allow what could be the worst doctrin in the world to exist. because there are many other bad doctrines.

It' just does not feel right that we should allow the root cause of all bad doctrines to exist,

You could say if we ban it we upset a load calvinists, ,. But no sorry I can not agree with this Calvinist doctrin there completely wrong sorry. The sooner they realise it the better,. However I'm now willing to discuss this with Calvinists if they are. But they will have to accept I will never change my mind and become as stubborn as a
muel to.

Think of it this way how does free will work with God? He warns us and tells us not to do things he even commands us not to but in the end while he could simply take the freedom to make the decision to do them he leaves us to our devices and the consequences are our own making, likewise we will be held accountable for every word we speak should we choose to speak in accordance to our own vanity that being that of the high religious standpoint that looks down on so many they more so than many will be held accountable for every word they say.

Tell me aside from them digging their own graves with their words what consequences are you fearing? because if it is the church you are worried I would be more concerned about the more prominant false teaching that are more commonly used to damage the church like the ones I spoke of now those are good candidates or say the propserity gospel the one you speak of I have heard of just much less often so it is not brought up as much as the others but again what consequences do you fear exactly?

 

[Blain]

To ban or not to ban that is the question-or is it? Does limiting discussion about a certain topic solve the issue or sweep it under the rug? does it remove a thorn or simply put a covering over it while the thorn infects the swollen area? We as Christians must reach a point where we can discuss such matters with poise maturity and Christ like essence to show that we are who we say we are we must be able to handle and be able to deal with heavy and even toxic subjects like this. Did you know that sheep are immune to snake venom? we are his sheep so if we remain as his sheep meek and humble, remaining in his spirit in his love in his patience we can handle the venomous subjects and can discuss them even if we disagree and at times even get into heated debates with each as even the apostles did at times

Bu I will say it as many times as it takes as Christians and as believers as Children of God we must be able to discuss and debate with maturity love and patience in a Christ like manner if we cannot do that maybe we should not be debaing if we cannot handle being in debates if we become offended angry fiery if we see ourselves rage typing and fail to have the wisdom to back off if we dislike someone simply because of a difference of understanding then hey the singles forum is that way it's always a fun place to be in my opinion

 

[JTB]

many church leaders do. And many other people do. I'm not a lone. And I've already said it promotes a licsence to sin, which you and others don't seem to grasp the difference, between me saying it teaches or promotes.

Teaching and promoting do not work in everyone's mind, so can you speak for everyone who hold to the doctrin of OSAS that they have never promoted sin here in this forum.

I have known many who believe in OSAS and never have I heard it preached as a license to sin. Never. I know lots of anti-osas preachers who want to make that an argument, but in my experience it's an empty one.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I have known many who believe in OSAS and never have I heard it preached as a license to sin. Never. I know lots of anti-osas preachers who want to make that an argument, but in my experience it's an empty one.

Of course no one's going to get up and preach it.

It's just the natural consequence of a theology that says you can't do anything that will cause you to lose your salvation.

 

[JTB]

Of course no one's going to get up and preach it.

It's just the natural consequence of a theology that says you can't do anything that will cause you to lose your salvation.

No my friend, that is a point that exists mainly in the heads of those who are anti osas. Anyone versed in scripture knows that even tho sin will not remove salvation, there are still consequences to it.

 

[Gardenias]

are you sure there is scripture that says he can not come against God's children with out permission, or is the scripture really saying he will never get permission, ? And which scripture are you referring too. I have 30 scriptures or so even more than that, that say Jesus does not entertain evil one bit,

but if your going to post a scripture that says permission may be given, then that goes against 30 scriptures I can show suggesting no permission will ever be granted by Jesus.

1 John 5
1 Whosoever (any man,woman,child) believeth that JESUS is the Christ IS BORN OF GOD ( begotten): and everyone that loveth him ( God) that begat loveth him ( Jesus) also that is begotten of him.[ John 3:16]
2 ............/3.....
4 For whatsoever is born of God OVERCOMETH the world: and this is the victory that OVERCOMETH the world,EVEN OUR FAITH.
5......................................17
18 We know that WHOSOEVER is born ( born again,saved) of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten (JESUS) of God jeepeth himself, AND THE WICKED ONE ...TOUCHETH HIM....NOT.