when will the most evil doctrin in the world get banned on this site.

[Gardenias]

I can't recall seeing anyone glorify satan that wasn't banned.

I can agree there are still false doctrines being held onto and expressed here.
Jesus said in the last days MANY false prophets will arise and if he hadn't shortened those days maybe none would be saved. I feel for those deceived , who refuse to see the TRUTH.

Satan is JUST a fallen angel,I don't let him worry me,I just cling tighter to God and his word.
We have examples in scripture that show he can NOT come against a BELIEVER without God permission.!
He has NO,I SAY NO power against the BLOODLINE of Jesus in our lives!

Jesus DID SAY that there would be many tribulation and persecutions against his believers,so there it is...... I'd be worried if I NEVER got tempted or tried... the devil doesn't bother with his own.


GOD HAS ....ALL....AUTHORITY AND POWER IN HEAVEN AND EARTH. Heaven is his throne,the earth his footstool.

 

[John146]

I know we have had hyper grace banned here and sinless perfection considered a bad doctrin and probably banned.

Once saved always saved is finaly getting abolished by alot of churches, because it gives people a liscence to sin or makes people become a law unto them selfs.

However there is no condemnation for those in christ and we make mistakes, and we makes mistakes following bad doctrins.

The twisted doctrins of the law does not matter is also another doctrin from hell.

But the biggest most biggest most evil doctrin from hell is the one that says God allows evil to tempt or test people into sin, or God allows evil to test humans to see if they will sin. for many reasons but just one brief insight, is evil will always try to justify its presence, by saying God sent me, why well evil wants to defile Gods holy word.

Every good place we here from Jesus our mesiah, it is a big no no for christians and i have to wonder If christians or people are following the direct words of our mesisah, and why there is many many scripture that suggest Jesus would not allow evil to tempt a humanbeing into sin but yet 30 scriptures telling the truth against one telling a lie is not enough to convince christians or people that Jesus does not work satan,

The greatest false doctrine I’ve seen is the failure of rightly dividing the word of truth which leads to not separating Israel from the body of Christ. Out of this comes no eternal security, works salvation, Calvinism, post-millennialism, replacement theology, baptism for sins, etc…

 

[Gardenias]

The TRUE DOCTRINES are in the word of God.
All else is on man.

 

[Aidan1]

I know we have had hyper grace banned here and sinless perfection considered a bad doctrin and probably banned.

Once saved always saved is finaly getting abolished by alot of churches, because it gives people a liscence to sin or makes people become a law unto them selfs.

However there is no condemnation for those in christ and we make mistakes, and we makes mistakes following bad doctrins.

The twisted doctrins of the law does not matter is also another doctrin from hell.

But the biggest most biggest most evil doctrin from hell is the one that says God allows evil to tempt or test people into sin, or God allows evil to test humans to see if they will sin. for many reasons but just one brief insight, is evil will always try to justify its presence, by saying God sent me, why well evil wants to defile Gods holy word.

Every good place we here from Jesus our mesiah, it is a big no no for christians and i have to wonder If christians or people are following the direct words of our mesisah, and why there is many many scripture that suggest Jesus would not allow evil to tempt a humanbeing into sin but yet 30 scriptures telling the truth against one telling a lie is not enough to convince christians or people that Jesus does not work satan,

Is OSAS teaching that a Christian is free to sin?

 

[Nehemiah6]

I have answered this question several times, already. The op called for the doctrin of Jesus works with evil to be banned,.

You have created a straw man and are now beating a dead horse. Who has ever said "Jesus works with evil"? That is pure nonsense. Does God allows evil to exist on earth? Absolutely. Could you or anyone else explain why? Absolutely not. Was Job tested by the evil that Satan unleashed upon him? Absolutely. Did God allows Satan to do his evil deeds against Job? Absolutely. So why don't you just drop this matter and move on?

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

I can't agree sorry.
Please state your reasons why God would permit evil to cause evil.

I think there may be a misunderstanding. I am not a calvinist, I am very much in the freewill camp.

The question that people may think God can consort with evil spirits are because of calvinist premise of Absolute Sovereignty of God over all details. They believe God is responsible for everything, which includes the evil spirits. It is a calvinist perception and not Scripturally sound. WGT Shedd, dubbed a high calvinist, indicates the mindset needed to speak such blasphemy.

Simply put for me. God does not do such things
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

This should have closed the logic of the premises, but certain biblical phrasing were interpreted with the calvinist sovereignty. Hence their conclusion God consorts with evil spirits.

 

[Blain]

personally I don't support any Christian doctrine being banned as it goes against freedom of speech which I am a firm supporter of, should it be limited and monitored and be taken care of if it gets out of controlled yes should we have moderators who frequent the forums often who can judge whether a thread has become to hostile or out of control on such a topic yes but not banned.

I understand this may be an unpopular opinion but it is where I stand on the matter and quite frankly if we cannot discuss such matters like mature adults we shouldn't be in debates to begin with I have said it many times before if we cannot discuss and debate like mature adults and in a calm Christ like manner maybe we shouldn't be debating, far to often I have seen people lash out mock and become like imature children allowing themselves to forget what we as believers stand for and it isn't the topics fault it is the person discussing the topic a topic itself can do nothing but if the people discussing the topic cannot be mature enough to discuss it then it is bound to get out of control.

Some of these topics are legitimate topics that should be discussed and understood some people have questions and some simply want to gain a better grasp about them they shouldn't be banned simply because people are not mature enough to discuss them as Christians should. Decide for yourself where you will stand at the end of the day on either side of the spectrum and considerwhether the topic is to blame or the people debating it and what will do you about it

 

[Blain]

It's been going on in this forum everyday for the whole duration I have been here. The whole thing has made me angry. And please don't make me out to be a liar.

I have been here since 2012 I haven't see what you speak of so it must have been very recent can you show the posts or thread it was or the user that teaches it? Now as for God allowing trials and tribulation and suffering yes that I have seen and have personal experiencre in but not temptation

 

[de-emerald]

I think there may be a misunderstanding. I am not a calvinist, I am very much in the freewill camp.

The question that people may think God can consort with evil spirits are because of calvinist premise of Absolute Sovereignty of God over all details. They believe God is responsible for everything, which includes the evil spirits. It is a calvinist perception and not Scripturally sound. WGT Shedd, dubbed a high calvinist, indicates the mindset needed to speak such blasphemy.

Simply put for me. God does not do such things
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

This should have closed the logic of the premises, but certain biblical phrasing were interpreted with the calvinist sovereignty. Hence their conclusion God consorts with evil spirits.

oh i see I will have a look in more detail at your post and your link, we must have a load of Calvinists in this forum then, no wonder I'm banging my head against the wall. But I can't agree with there doctrines at all. Or I can agree with the notion there must be free will and no bad doctrines should be banned, would that also be a Calvinist view point that all doctrines should be allowed

 

[de-emerald]

I have been here since 2012 I haven't see what you speak of so it must have been very recent can you show the posts or thread it was or the user that teaches it? Now as for God allowing trials and tribulation and suffering yes that I have seen and have personal experiencre in but not temptation

10 people voted to yes to God gives permission to oppress Christians in a thread I started a week or so ago, go and see the results for your self and the answers they gave for there belief. Then while your at it go and look at other threads I have started about temptation, also job 1, I have been debating this for 12 months in numerous threads. I'm not searching through all the insults to Jesus I have been on the receiving end, or the lack of support for condemned Christians, I am not debating with people who refuse to see the truth. Do a search for doctrines that God will allow Christians to be oppressed in the rapture. Which is more temptation for a Christian to believe a lie and worship Satan unknowingly, there reason for that one is Again Job 1

Then you get the daily doctrines here that Adam and Eve where completely at fault for falling for temptation in the garden of Eden.

These are just a few doctrines where Satan is glorified every day. Then there is the doctrines that mankind had dominion of the whole earth when actually it was just to rule over the animals. Then we have all the doctrines that Christians are to blame completely for there own sin no matter what. Or if a Christian suggest they sinned because of Satan, there bad for saying that.

Then we have the daily doctrines of judging the hour and day, which is more temptation from Satan to Go against God's word.

Then we have the daily doctrins to Judge who is saved who is not, more temptation from the devil in that one.

Then we have the daily doctrines of temptation from people tempted to gang up on honest Christian because of none believing blind people. Must I go on.or do you still want to suggest I am lieing.

 

[LactoseIntolerant]

oh i see I will have a look in more detail at your post and your link, we must have a load of Calvinists in this forum then, no wonder I'm banging my head against the wall. But I can't agree with there doctrines at all. Or I can agree with the notion there must be free will and no bad doctrines should be banned, would that also be a Calvinist view point that all doctrines should be allowed

There are many false teachers everywhere including this forum. I believe they had their headstart on internet forums or survive because they avoid the light of truth. I consider their beliefs prisons without walls. No amount of reason will set them free, until the walls are proven false. Jesus will rebuke them harshly.

Christianchat is a christological forum governed by internet rules. Only at the New Earth, when Jesus is the King with the Iron Rod and all will conform to Godly Doctrine or be removed. Expectation of a Christian mindset is reasonable but unlikely here.

It is best speak not to them lest they make you speak their gibberish, or speak to them lest their conceit leads other astray.

 

[Dino246]

10 people voted to yes to God gives permission to oppress Christians in a thread

Truth is not subject to democracy.

Then you get the daily doctrines here that Adam and Eve where completely at fault for falling for temptation in the garden of Eden.

Until you can demonstrate that they were not completely at fault for their own choices, you have no case.

Then we have all the doctrines that Christians are to blame completely for there own sin no matter what.

Which they are. There is no excuse for sin, period.

Or if a Christian suggest they sinned because of Satan, there bad for saying that.

The word is "they're". Satan may have deceived or misled them, but they are not innocent.

Then we have the daily doctrines of judging the hour and day, which is more temptation from Satan to Go against God's word.

"Judging the hour and day"? Huh?

Then we have the daily doctrins to Judge who is saved who is not, more temptation from the devil in that one.

We can observe people's behaviour and determine with a high degree of accuracy whether or not they are saved. Deal with it.

Then we have the daily doctrines of temptation from people tempted to gang up on honest Christian because of none believing blind people. Must I go on.or do you still want to suggest I am lieing.

You can be (and in this case, are) honestly wrong... and the word is "lying".

These are simple concepts of grammar, spelling, and usage. Given your inability to grasp simple concepts, I have to wonder at your capacity to grasp complex theological concepts.

 

[Edify]

Gee, how could I pass this up? It seems everyone is jumping in.

Why should I say I'm for or against this? It's not about me, it's about the scriptures & what they say that matters.
Luke 8:
4And when a great crowd was gathering and people from town after town came to him, he said in a parable, 5“A sower went out to sow his seed. And as he sowed, some fell along the path and was trampled underfoot, and the birds of the air devoured it. 6And some fell on the rock, and as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture. 7And some fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up with it and choked it. 8And some fell into good soil and grew and yielded a hundredfold.” As he said these things, he called out, “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.”
The Purpose of the Parables
9And when his disciples asked him what this parable meant, 10he said, “To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they are in parables, so that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’ 11Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. 12The ones along the path are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts, so that they may not believe and be saved. 13And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy. But these have no root; they believe for a while, and in time of testing fall away. 14And as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear, but as they go on their way they are choked by the cares and riches and pleasures of life, and their fruit does not mature. 15As for that in the good soil, they are those who, hearing the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bear fruit with patience.

The first never gets saved, simple enough.
The 2nd believe for a while.... indicating salvation, but doesn't endure. It is lost.
The 3rd has fruit, therefore indicating a real relationship. But their fruit doesn't mature, or they don't grow up spiritually, because they have the world on their mind instead of Christ. You might say they have a problem with idolatry.
The 4th hear, hold fast to what they hear instead of taking in every little false doctrine that's comfortable. They are honest with God & man, not hypocritical & taking up for their "favorite" doctrine. They are patient, meaning they won't fight over every little thing.

 

[Edify]

So much to write...
Then there's the scripture in Matt24:
3As he sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” 4And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray. 6And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for this must take place, but the end is not yet. 7For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are but the beginning of the birth pains.
9“Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and put you to death, and you will be hated by all nations for my name’s sake. 10And then many will fall away and betray one another and hate one another. 11And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13But the one who endures to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

V10 Many fall away. From what? Morality? We see it now, people leaving the church in droves. My own church is going thru this right now.

V11 False prophets will lead MANY astray. Look up astray & see what it means. There are truly more false prophets today than there are preachers. All over TV & the internet.

V12Lawlessness will be increased. Which country do you want to look at? What really is conservative christianity nowadays?

V12 Because of this, the love of many will grow cold. Do I need to explain this one? Since we're right here on CC, let's take a look at this site & this op in particular. Do we need to go any farther?

V13 Only the one who endures all of this will be saved.
No, this doesn't mean argue till the end.
No, this doesn't mean "can we all just get along?"
It doesn't mean accept all the churches of the world regardless of their doctrine. Acceptance of sin is sin in & of itself.
It means to hold fast by faith till the end of life to our christian standards. It has something to do with "studying to show ourselves approved".

 

[Edify]

What about this?
1Tim 4:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

What does it mean to depart from the faith? Depart means LEAVE. Can we devote ourselves to doctrines of demons & stay saved?
Let's not forget... You have to actually be there (in the faith) before you can depart from there.

 

[Runningman]

I know we have had hyper grace banned here and sinless perfection considered a bad doctrin and probably banned.

Once saved always saved is finaly getting abolished by alot of churches, because it gives people a liscence to sin or makes people become a law unto them selfs.

However there is no condemnation for those in christ and we make mistakes, and we makes mistakes following bad doctrins.

The twisted doctrins of the law does not matter is also another doctrin from hell.

But the biggest most biggest most evil doctrin from hell is the one that says God allows evil to tempt or test people into sin, or God allows evil to test humans to see if they will sin. for many reasons but just one brief insight, is evil will always try to justify its presence, by saying God sent me, why well evil wants to defile Gods holy word.

Every good place we here from Jesus our mesiah, it is a big no no for christians and i have to wonder If christians or people are following the direct words of our mesisah, and why there is many many scripture that suggest Jesus would not allow evil to tempt a humanbeing into sin but yet 30 scriptures telling the truth against one telling a lie is not enough to convince christians or people that Jesus does not work satan,

Being sovereign over all of creation, it’s impossible for God to be held to the same laws that govern created things. Being sovereign, whatever God does automatically conforms to righteousness because He has authority to decide what is righteous when and how it suits His needs.

For example, you aren’t allowed to decide who dies because that’s evil when you do it, but when God does it it’s righteous. You don’t get to make a virgin pregnant, seemingly without consent, but when God does it that’s rights. And the list goes on an on.

So when you see examples from the Bible of seemingly evil things coming upon people and it being used for God’s glory, you may be sorely mistaken so be patient and chose wisely.

John 9:1-3 KJV
1And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

 

[Aidan1]

What about this?
1Tim 4:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

What does it mean to depart from the faith? Depart means LEAVE. Can we devote ourselves to doctrines of demons & stay saved?
Let's not forget... You have to actually be there (in the faith) before you can depart from there.

With other words: nobody will be in heaven against his will. And nobody will be taken against his will out of Gods hands.

 

[de-emerald]

sounds a bit like calvinism thats sometimes confuses God with satan and negates Jesus sacrifice

I think people just need to read the Bible from beginning to end rather than back to front. Then they will not mix up doctrines. But you cant ban people if they just being confusing. It will hurt their pride...Im thinking and will cause them to argue even more.

The BDF can be a way to sort out their confusion though. Just keep telling the truth. People may get it eventually, hopefully!

I'm sorry I never realised you where trying to tell me something personally

 

[Blain]

10 people voted to yes to God gives permission to oppress Christians in a thread I started a week or so ago, go and see the results for your self and the answers they gave for there belief. Then while your at it go and look at other threads I have started about temptation, also job 1, I have been debating this for 12 months in numerous threads. I'm not searching through all the insults to Jesus I have been on the receiving end, or the lack of support for condemned Christians, I am not debating with people who refuse to see the truth. Do a search for doctrines that God will allow Christians to be oppressed in the rapture. Which is more temptation for a Christian to believe a lie and worship Satan unknowingly, there reason for that one is Again Job 1

Then you get the daily doctrines here that Adam and Eve where completely at fault for falling for temptation in the garden of Eden.

These are just a few doctrines where Satan is glorified every day. Then there is the doctrines that mankind had dominion of the whole earth when actually it was just to rule over the animals. Then we have all the doctrines that Christians are to blame completely for there own sin no matter what. Or if a Christian suggest they sinned because of Satan, there bad for saying that.

Then we have the daily doctrines of judging the hour and day, which is more temptation from Satan to Go against God's word.

Then we have the daily doctrins to Judge who is saved who is not, more temptation from the devil in that one.

Then we have the daily doctrines of temptation from people tempted to gang up on honest Christian because of none believing blind people. Must I go on.or do you still want to suggest I am lieing.

I see, But even so banning it seems a bit extreme if we banned every doctrine we disagreed with there would be none to discuss. There is always going to be doctrines you will come across that you will disagree with or that you may even be offended by that doesn't mean it is required to be banned though, I could ask that the sinless perfection doctrine be banned or that the doctrine of salvation by predestination be banned making it where only certain chosen people were predestined to be saved while others were predstined to be damned to hell be banned because I fisagree with those doctrines but it is peoples right to believe what they want to believe and speak what they wish to speak at least here in America. Besides it doesn't affect me any if they speak on these things if I don't allow it to it requires maturity to not only speak about such things but to hear of them to, I understand you don't want to see or hear about the things you have but you have to understand there are many kinds of believers out there with many kinds of beliefs not all will tickle your ears some may offend them that doesn't mean you need to ban their speech it just means you need to learn to take it in stride.

 

[p_rehbein]

Eternal security is straight down the line biblical doctrine. Calling OSAS bad doctrine to be possibly banned is basically attacking the diety of Christ imo.

As is your right, but IMO, it is flawed Theology..... and has done great harm to the Church.,,,

Eternal Security and OSAS are not one in the same.......