The lie that we are sinless if we are saved

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pittsburghjoe

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John146 said:
We're on the same team. I agree with you. I sin in the flesh, but in God's eyes, I am sinless because I have His Son's righteousness.
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If you are not in His Image ...you are not using His Blood.
 
pittsburghjoe

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Nehemiah6 said:
The ones who are saved have the witness within themselves. And you are not the one to tell others differently.
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Do you think you are Elected? Chances are low if you are still a Premill. That view is an excuse to not uphold the Reborn Kingdom Image. THE KINGDOM IS NOW.
 
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RichMan said:
Then I would be worried that they are just as lost as those who believe they do not sin.
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The trap comes, in part, in that certain hyper paulines, or greasy grace adherents ,declare that all future sins are forgiven, therefore they "don't worry much" about sin.
 
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Absolutely said:
The trap comes, in part, in that certain hyper paulines, or greasy grace adherents ,declare that all future sins are forgiven, therefore they "don't worry much" about sin.
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That's key, to plan to sin in your future is to not be on The Plan of SALVATION.
 
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The trap comes, in part, in that certain hyper paulines, or greasy grace adherents ,declare that all future sins are forgiven, therefore they "don't worry much" about sin.
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Maybe I live in a vacuum, but I have never meet anyone who believes sin, future or present does not matter. They understand just how terrible it is and try to avoid it. But when they fail , and they understand they will from tie to time . they ask God's forgiveness.
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
SALVATION can't be lost ...the question is if you ever had it in the first place.
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That dynamic relies on the merging of two conjectures.

Nobody knows for sure.

The horror of it is some use that to live a nominal carnal life.

If i reverse the theory from some eternal erroneous dynamic , i can preach it, and subliminally implant a notion that i can be as sinful as i want, because " its all good" .
once saved always saved is going to accompany "i am good to go, carnal and happy"
 
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RichMan said:
Maybe I live in a vacuum, but I have never meet anyone who believes sin, future or present does not matter. They understand just how terrible it is and try to avoid it. But when they fail , and they understand they will from tie to time . they ask God's forgiveness.
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A dude like that used to come to our mens bible study.

He made me nauseated.
Hyper pauline error.
Sickening
 
pittsburghjoe

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That dynamic relies on the merging of two conjectures.

Nobody knows for sure.

The horror of it is some use that to live a nominal carnal life.

If i reverse the theory from some eternal erroneous dynamic , i can preach it, and subliminally implant a notion that i can be as sinful as i want, because " its all good" .
once saved always saved is going to accompany "i am good to go, carnal and happy"
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Calvinists work for satan. They tell people to drop their Bibles if they were not Elected yet ...and if they are Elected ...repeated sins are fine.
 
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A dude like that used to come to our mens bible study.

He made me nauseated.
Hyper pauline error.
Sickening
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I would pray for his salvation.
I have no idea what hyper pauline means.
 
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RichMan said:
Maybe I live in a vacuum, but I have never meet anyone who believes sin, future or present does not matter. They understand just how terrible it is and try to avoid it. But when they fail , and they understand they will from tie to time . they ask God's forgiveness.
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well we had plenty of debate about it a few years back

however, it is not really a new concept when you consider the Gnostics who believed you could sin to make a boatload of pagans blush because the flesh was not important

the lie doesn't die apparently...it just gets dressed up in a new suit ;)
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
That's key, to plan to sin in your future is to not be on The Plan of SALVATION.
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Maybe
I think you should look into the 3 stages or brackets of belivers.
Baby....infants...new converts

Adolecents...or immature but learning and going after God

Mature... Been in it a while and got the scars to prove it

But the bible says tgere are others also.
Carnal believers.
Read 1 corinthians.

Saved but their works are burned up.
Pauls attitude was " I have turned such a one over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that in the end they may be saved"

That defies directly ,a notion of "0sas"
 
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pittsburghjoe said:
Do you think you are Elected? Chances are low if you are still a Premill. That view is an excuse to not uphold the Reborn Kingdom Image. THE KINGDOM IS NOW.
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pittsburghjoe, you would be wise to stop posting gibberish.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
pittsburghjoe, you would be wise to stop posting gibberish.
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There seems to be a lot of people on this forum that believe they are more holy and righteous that the rest of us and continually tell us about it.
 
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RichMan said:
Maybe I live in a vacuum, but I have never meet anyone who believes sin, future or present does not matter. They understand just how terrible it is and try to avoid it. But when they fail , and they understand they will from tie to time . they ask God's forgiveness.
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Ok
They are here in the forum.
They DO NOT EVER ask for forgiveness because they say "that is wrong"
They claim all future sins are AUTOMATICALLY forgiven.
 
pittsburghjoe

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Ok
They are here in the forum.
They DO NOT EVER ask for forgiveness because they say "that is wrong"
They claim all future sins are AUTOMATICALLY forgiven.
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They know they can't ask for forgiveness for a repeated sin ...because they know it would be mocking GOD. So they pretend the sin is automatically forgiven.


Galatians 6:7–8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
The ones who are saved have the witness within themselves. And you are not the one to tell others differently.
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Wasn't it Finney that would never say "he is saved"?

I think it was him.

He would instead say, "there he goes, to all outward appearances, saved, set free, and born again"

Lol
 
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Ok
They are here in the forum.
They DO NOT EVER ask for forgiveness because they say "that is wrong"
They claim all future sins are AUTOMATICALLY forgiven.
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Could you give me their names so I can see for myself?
Never mind. Think I will remain in my world.
 
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