Is the Rapture a lie? Is Zionism a lie?
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No , it was in response to your erroneous statement:
pittsburghjoe said: " And saying there isn't spiritual resurrection is saying no one is being Reborn right now."
me :" Just to clear things up , the resurrection rapture of the physical body either dead or alive and Spiritual Salvation are two different things. "
Your statement was soundly defeated.
pittsburghjoe said: " And saying there isn't spiritual resurrection is saying no one is being Reborn right now."
me :" Just to clear things up , the resurrection rapture of the physical body either dead or alive and Spiritual Salvation are two different things. "
Your statement was soundly defeated.
You’re in the truth saint rose! It’s true this rapture doctrine and all the belief system built around it has been used to lead Christians away from the real truth it’s got parts of truth but it has led christians Down the road of deception. The rapture is really the resurrection at the last day of the resurrection when evil in the earth is destroyed and Jesus comes to establish his kingdom with the saints that are resurrected and you’re right if people are complacent and lukewarm Lost in deception they will be in the Broadway enough in her away away Lost in deception they will be in the Broad way that leads to destruction instead of entering by the narrow gate which leads to eternal life. The Rapture doctrine is one of the deceptions that creates the falling away in the church that Paul the apostle speaks of. But God loves us and in his grace he will send those that he raises up in the end days to speak the truth to all who would believe just as Jesus spoke in his ministry.
The pre mid and post tribulation, and in Revelation where the Spirit of the Lord tells John to come up hither
Revelation 4:1 KJV: After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in ... Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.” This Doctrine is preached as this is the scripture where the rapture happens there is no rapture there is a resurrection at the end of the age that God decides when and no man knows not even Jesus. In Matthew 24 Jesus answers the disciples and when will the end of the age be and he gives line by line what’s going to happen on the earth before we see the Son of Man coming in the clouds and Paul says that they will not come until the man of perdition, the man of lawlessness is revealed. These are the truths. Man just always has to have all the answers so they make it up out of their fear. Man is afraid of suffering and going through hard trials believing that a God who loves us could never put us through suffering so they’ve come up with an escape route of their own using scripture in untruth.
Revelation 4:1 KJV: After this I looked, and, behold, a door [was] opened in ... Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.” This Doctrine is preached as this is the scripture where the rapture happens there is no rapture there is a resurrection at the end of the age that God decides when and no man knows not even Jesus. In Matthew 24 Jesus answers the disciples and when will the end of the age be and he gives line by line what’s going to happen on the earth before we see the Son of Man coming in the clouds and Paul says that they will not come until the man of perdition, the man of lawlessness is revealed. These are the truths. Man just always has to have all the answers so they make it up out of their fear. Man is afraid of suffering and going through hard trials believing that a God who loves us could never put us through suffering so they’ve come up with an escape route of their own using scripture in untruth.
This doctrine nullifies the great and precious promises of our escape
So then this prayer is pointless:
Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
And apparently it doesn't matter if we ignore so great a salvation because no one is going to escape:
how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.
And what difference does it make if we refuse to listen to the warnings from the Lord in heaven?
See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven?
We have great and precious promises to escape the corruption in the world, yet you nullify them with your teaching.
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
And so much for this promise
The Lord will rescue his servants; no one who takes refuge in him will be condemned.
Forget it Paul
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death?
Yep, looks like Paul got it wrong again
and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
So many promises nullified by this teaching
The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Oh well, it seems Peter also is wrong
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
So then this prayer is pointless:
Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.”
And apparently it doesn't matter if we ignore so great a salvation because no one is going to escape:
how shall we escape if we ignore so great a salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him.
And what difference does it make if we refuse to listen to the warnings from the Lord in heaven?
See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven?
We have great and precious promises to escape the corruption in the world, yet you nullify them with your teaching.
Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.
And so much for this promise
The Lord will rescue his servants; no one who takes refuge in him will be condemned.
Forget it Paul
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death?
Yep, looks like Paul got it wrong again
and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
So many promises nullified by this teaching
The Lord will rescue me from every evil attack and will bring me safely to his heavenly kingdom. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Oh well, it seems Peter also is wrong
4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b] to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless 8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)— 9 if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
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