New Covenant

[Omegatime]

Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after supper, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

When God promises a covenant; it is understood also as a will, for it doesn't take place till the one it is given to dies. Just as the new covenant took place after the death of Jesus/Yeshua.

Another example is the covenant God made with Abraham: Galations 3:15 To give a human example, brethren: no one annuls even a man’s will, (covenant) or adds to it, once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many; but, referring to one, “And to your offspring,” which is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance is by the law, it is no longer by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. RSV

If you understand time from creation you say Abraham was born in year 1948 from creation. Add 175 years for his lifespan would make his death on year 2123 from creation. Add 430 years to his date of death makes the exodus date 2553.

Time begins at the death of someone to fulfill. a will or covenant

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after supper, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

When God promises a covenant; it is understood also as a will, for it doesn't take place till the one it is given to dies. Just as the new covenant took place after the death of Jesus/Yeshua.

Another example is the covenant God made with Abraham: Galations 3:15 To give a human example, brethren: no one annuls even a man’s will, (covenant) or adds to it, once it has been ratified. 16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many; but, referring to one, “And to your offspring,” which is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came four hundred and thirty years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance is by the law, it is no longer by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. RSV

If you understand time from creation you say Abraham was born in year 1948 from creation. Add 175 years for his lifespan would make his death on year 2123 from creation. Add 430 years to his date of death makes the exodus date 2553.

Time begins at the death of someone to fulfill. a will or covenant

Have you ever considered that the Covenant with Abraham is actually the exact same Covenant that Jesus is referring to? This is the direct relationship in the genealogy of Christ:

Matthew 1:1 KJV - "The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham."

It is all about Circumcision. The Covenant made with Abraham revolved around Spiritual Circumcision, marked out by physical circumcision. Jesus has been performing this Circumcision since before Abraham was born, hence, Jesus said:

John 8:58 NLT - "Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I AM!"

The fulfillment of the Covenant with Abraham has been established in Christ all along, but when Christ referred to the Covenant as a New Covenant, this is to indicate that it will be a Covenant not just for the Vine of Christ . . . the Remnant that was being led through time, but it is now a Covenant for all . . . for Jew AND Gentile.

So yes, it is a New Covenant so-to-speak, but the essence of this Covenant, the Promises and Blessings spoken of to Abraham, has been in place since the day of Abel . . . the first True Prophet. For, there can be no True Prophet unless Circumcision of the Heart has been the Practice of Christ since the beginning of humanity.

Galatians 3:14 NLT - "Through Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, so that we who are believers might receive the promised Holy Spirit through faith."

 

[Blik]

The fulfillment of the Covenant with Abraham has been established in Christ all along, but when Christ referred to the Covenant as a New Covenant, this is to indicate that it will be a Covenant not just for the Vine of Christ . . . the Remnant that was being led through time, but it is now a Covenant for all . . . for Jew AND Gentile.
the day of Abel . . . the first True Prophet. For, there can be no True Prophet unless Circumcision of the Heart has been the Practice of Christ since the beginning of humanity."

It is a new, and I think correct thought, that it is all about circumcision. Christ took all the old commands in stone and said "you have been told" and showed how those commands were now put in our heart. It is the new covenant, this covenant did not change the law and the prophets. Christ told us this. It put them in our hearts, and to obey by our hearts instead of by the letter of the law makes such a change for us we say the old was cancelled.

God is eternal, all God is and does is true at all times.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

It is a new, and I think correct thought, that it is all about circumcision. Christ took all the old commands in stone and said "you have been told" and showed how those commands were now put in our heart. It is the new covenant, this covenant did not change the law and the prophets. Christ told us this. It put them in our hearts, and to obey by our hearts instead of by the letter of the law makes such a change for us we say the old was cancelled.

God is eternal, all God is and does is true at all times.

Exactly! Ok, I'm working through this concept that I've outlined above, so I would really appreciate your feedback on this.

Do you believe that God placed the Laws of the Spirit of Life into the Heart of Abraham, and ALL those who had received Christ's Circumcision of the heart? I am guessing yes, as you are perhaps the only one (on this site) to ever reference Romans 8:2.

Romans 8:2 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

I believe that this is why Abraham was Righteous, Pure, and Holy. I think that this is what made Joshua and Caleb "wholehearted." I think that this is what established Abel as the first True Prophet. I believe that this is why David is the "Father" of Christ, and why David is the Son of Abraham. All three were "Nazarene's" so to speak. They were all "set apart."

Do any of these things seem wrong? If so, could you point out which ones, and then maybe we could tackle them one at a time? I would REALLY appreciate it!

This is exciting.

 

[Omegatime]

Grafting of the Gentiles in the New Covenant

Mat 21:5
“Tell the daughter of Zion,
Behold, your king is coming to you,
humble, and mounted on an ass,
and on a colt, the foal of an ass.”

The ass represents the jews
foal of an ass, the colt---the gentiles
The vine which ties the ass and colt together is Christ

 

[JaumeJ]

Grafting of the Gentiles in the New Covenant

Mat 21:5
“Tell the daughter of Zion,
Behold, your king is coming to you,
humble, and mounted on an ass,
and on a colt, the foal of an ass.”

The ass represents the jews
foal of an ass, the colt---the gentiles
The vine which ties the ass and colt together is Christ

Not sure about your interpretation here but we are taught more plainly that the gentiles are grafted into the original vine, Israel.
Jesus Yeshua also teaches that aside from His Original Flock there is another which He was goin to uinit e with that Origianl. T"he original being Israel and the other being gentiles
Again it is written that we have bcome fellow heirs with Israel. Fellow heirs which means strongly related or the same..
I will keep your understanding in my heart until it pops out to me. I am slow in such matters. God bless you andhold you close always.

 

[p_rehbein]

When God promises a covenant; it is understood also as a will, for it doesn't take place till the one it is given to dies. Just as the new covenant took place after the death of Jesus/Yeshua.

The New Covenant (Grace) which God gave, Jesus established, and sanctified through the shedding of His precious blood on the Cross was given to ALL WHO BELIEVE IN HIM!

So, are you saying that we believers are not recepients of the New Covenant, and the forgiveness of our sins? And will not be until we die?

Sure hope not because that flies in the face of the Gospel that Jesus preached.

 

[Omegatime]

Not sure about your interpretation here but we are taught more plainly that the gentiles are grafted into the original vine, Israel.
Jesus Yeshua also teaches that aside from His Original Flock there is another which He was goin to uinit e with that Origianl. T"he original being Israel and the other being gentiles
Again it is written that we have bcome fellow heirs with Israel. Fellow heirs which means strongly related or the same..
I will keep your understanding in my heart until it pops out to me. I am slow in such matters. God bless you andhold you close always.

I believe we are in agreement

 

[Omegatime]

The New Covenant (Grace) which God gave, Jesus established, and sanctified through the shedding of His precious blood on the Cross was given to ALL WHO BELIEVE IN HIM!

So, are you saying that we believers are not recepients of the New Covenant, and the forgiveness of our sins? And will not be until we die?

Sure hope not because that flies in the face of the Gospel that Jesus preached.

No, I am saying the new covenant began after the death of our Lord at Pentecost

 

[Blik]

Exactly! Ok, I'm working through this concept that I've outlined above, so I would really appreciate your feedback on this.

Do you believe that God placed the Laws of the Spirit of Life into the Heart of Abraham, and ALL those who had received Christ's Circumcision of the heart? I am guessing yes, as you are perhaps the only one (on this site) to ever reference Romans 8:2.

Romans 8:2 KJV - "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

I believe that this is why Abraham was Righteous, Pure, and Holy. I think that this is what made Joshua and Caleb "wholehearted." I think that this is what established Abel as the first True Prophet. I believe that this is why David is the "Father" of Christ, and why David is the Son of Abraham. All three were "Nazarene's" so to speak. They were all "set apart."

Do any of these things seem wrong? If so, could you point out which ones, and then maybe we could tackle them one at a time? I would REALLY appreciate it!

This is exciting.

I am sorry, it is something I often wonder about. All through the OT the laws of the Lord were explained to them through comparing them to earthly commands instead of direct to the heart as Christ would have it. Could it be that people were not advanced enough to understand without this sort of explanation? It is clear that God is spirit, not flesh, and God's true law is spirit.

I think that the saints of the OT understood that circumcision of the flesh was a sign of circumcision of the heart, and they were to keep their minds on clean, holy things as well as watch what they ate. But by the time the Pharisees came along, to obey these physical commands was enough for them.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Could it be that people were not advanced enough to understand without this sort of explanation?

You know, when I read the below Words of Paul, my old "detective" or "lawyer-like" mind (as my former wife used to say) realized that there were many discussions and happenings in the Old Testament that simply were not revealed or even mentioned. Spiritual Circumcision is one of those teachings. Of course, you've noted Deut 30:6 and the Ezekiel quotes of Circumcision of the heart (chapters 11 and 36), but these are only but a few of the fleeting comments about Spiritual Circumcision. And as Romans 11 states, Israel (most of them) were blinded by the Lord Himself so that they could not understand, hence the Veil of Moses and what it represents.

Ephesians 3:3-5 NLT - "As I briefly wrote earlier, God himself revealed his mysterious plan to me. 4 As you read what I have written, you will understand my insight into this plan regarding Christ. 5 God did not reveal it to previous generations, but now by his Spirit he has revealed it to his holy apostles and prophets."

But the Lord must have conveyed His Holy Plan to Abraham and Sarah. For, when a person actually receives Circumcision of the Heart, this is the Operation of Faith that allows a person to know and understand what the Will of the Lord is - this is the result of the lifting of the Veil of Moses. To know the Will of the Lord, one must be Transformed, and Transformation is 100% dependent upon Spiritual Circumcision and the additional guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Romans 12:2 NLT - "Don't copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will learn to know God's will for you, which is good and pleasing and perfect."

Without Circumcision of the Heart, it is fundamentally impossible to understand God's Holy Will and Eternal Plan, hence, the Veil of Moses.

2 Corinthians 3:15-18 NLT - "Yes, even today when they read Moses' writings, their hearts are covered with that veil, and they do not understand. 16 But whenever someone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 For the Lord is the Spirit, and wherever the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18 So all of us who have had that veil removed can see and reflect the glory of the Lord. And the Lord--who is the Spirit--makes us more and more like him as we are changed into his glorious image."

And while you understand these things, because I believe that you have received True Circumcision of the Heart, the vast majority, here, may read our words yet not understand them, if not outright mock them/me/us.

So, I do believe that Abraham and even David understood that Circumcision of the Heart is what mattered . . . and not rules surrounding Holy Bread, etc.

1 Samuel 21:2-6 NLT - "The king has sent me on a private matter," David said. "He told me not to tell anyone why I am here. I have told my men where to meet me later. 3 Now, what is there to eat? Give me five loaves of bread or anything else you have." 4 "We don't have any regular bread," the priest replied. "But there is the holy bread, which you can have if your young men have not slept with any women recently." 5 "Don't worry," David replied. "I never allow my men to be with women when they are on a campaign. And since they stay clean even on ordinary trips, how much more on this one!" 6 Since there was no other food available, the priest gave him the holy bread--the Bread of the Presence that was placed before the LORD in the Tabernacle. It had just been replaced that day with fresh bread."

And of course, David had a Pure Heart, for he was taught by the Spirit from his mother's breast. All of the Holy men and women who had received Circumcision of the Heart must, absolutely must have understood the Plan of God. But this Plan is made blind to those who cannot see. And to this day, the multitudes of Christians still do not "see."

John 9:39 NLT - "Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment--to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind."

Of course, Jesus is referencing the Spiritual Circumcision that Paul explains so clearly in Colossians 2:9-15. Incredibly, there are only but an extremely few pastors that even acknowledge this teaching, though it is the core and center of our faith. And you, Blik, are only but of a few who have been given the ability to see these things. The veil has been lifted so that you can understand.

 

[pottersclay]

Grafting of the Gentiles in the New Covenant

Mat 21:5
“Tell the daughter of Zion,
Behold, your king is coming to you,
humble, and mounted on an ass,
and on a colt, the foal of an ass.”

The ass represents the jews
foal of an ass, the colt---the gentiles
The vine which ties the ass and colt together is Christ

Not sure where your going with this saint.

Just some fun facts you might be interested in.

This prophecy is jesus riding into Jerusalem also known as the day of visitation.
Riding a ass represents peace.....jesus rides a horse in revelation represent war.
Now a foal of a ass has a very interesting birth mark on it's back it is a dark marking in the shape of a cross. Sometimes it grows out...sometimes not. But most to all have this mark.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Just as the new covenant took place after the death of Jesus/Yeshua.

Yes. The New Covenant (also translated as Testament) went into effect on the 14th of Nisan, AD 30 -- the day Christ said from the cross "It is finished" and expired. Christ chose the time of His death after He had perfectly finished His redemptive work on the cross. At that time the veil in the temple (which separated the Holy of Holies from the Holy Place) was supernaturally torn from top to bottom. This signified that Christ had opened the way into the Heavenly Sanctuary for every believer. So all may now come boldly before the throne of grace, and there is now no more sacrifice for sins.

Paul's epistle to the Hebrews was written primarily to Hebrew Christians, but is also written to all Christians. In it he clearly shows the difference between the Old and New Covenants, and why the New Covenant was necessary. Many try to mislead Christians by telling us that the New Covenant is not really new, but merely a renewed covenant. That is total nonsense according to Paul. When God says "Behold, I make all things new" He starts with the New Covenant. Hence we have the "New Testament" is our Bible.

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

Many try to mislead Christians by telling us that the New Covenant is not really new, but merely a renewed covenant.

The Sadducees, Pharisees, and teachers of the Law never had a moment in their lives when they could testify that the Viel of Moses had been lifted so that they could understand the Scriptures, or, the Gospel. Thus, they remained deceived. And you? Nehemiah6? Do you remember when the Veil was lifted from your eyes; when you began to receive the Mind of Christ? Do you remember when your Transformation began, and how you were Supernaturally Transformed in your thinking and life by the Lord? Since you refuse to acknowledge this one credential that will qualify you as a Minister of the Lord, perhaps it's time for you to reconsider yourself as an authority on the Word of God.

 

[Blik]

Many try to mislead Christians by telling us that the New Covenant is not really new, but merely a renewed covenant. That is total nonsense according to Paul. When God says "Behold, I make all things new" He starts with the New Covenant. Hence we have the "New Testament" is our Bible.

I am certain that God is eternal and all that God ever says is from the same God giving the same message to man. I think you are speaking "nonsense" when you say God gave a covenant that was all wrong and had to be wiped out completely for God can't be trusted to give man what is correct for him.

It is also nonsense to say that now the new testament is your bible. Do you think, also, that we have a new God, one who wiped out all that was and recreated our world into a new world?

 

[2ndTimothyGroup]

I am certain that God is eternal and all that God ever says is from the same God giving the same message to man. I think you are speaking "nonsense" when you say God gave a covenant that was all wrong and had to be wiped out completely for God can't be trusted to give man what is correct for him.

It is also nonsense to say that now the new testament is your bible. Do you think, also, that we have a new God, one who wiped out all that was and recreated our world into a new world?

What's terrifying about this @Nehemiah6 is that he/she is preaching and teaching that to discuss Circumcision is to lead to "senseless debate."

From the character Nehemiah6 - "You have one agenda and that is to promote "circumcision". And that leads to senseless debate."

I can't imagine saying something so utterly backward and confused. Then again, this character promotes him/herself as an expert on the topic of "Cremation" though he/she has utterly no experience. Folks: Trust nothing this person says. Nothing.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I think you are speaking "nonsense" when you say God gave a covenant that was all wrong and had to be wiped out completely...

That is not what I said. But God Himself has ABOLISHED the Old Covenant. Beware of reviving it. The Bible itself tells us that had the Old Covenant been perfect, there would have been no need for the New Covenant.

 

[JaumeJ]

Why do you suppose it was imperfect?

The children of Israel, while they were in the wilderness, were disobedient, and by their disobedience salvation was gained by the nations.

A very fruitful meditation.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Thus, they remained deceived. And you? Nehemiah6?

So you think I am deceived? What exactly have you found in that post which is not strictly according to Scripture?

 

[Blik]

That is not what I said. But God Himself has ABOLISHED the Old Covenant. Beware of reviving it. The Bible itself tells us that had the Old Covenant been perfect, there would have been no need for the New Covenant.

The old covenant was obsolete. It had done its work, and now the new covenant did the that work.

It was like a schoolmaster, leading people to living their faith in the Lord. It was made up of fleshly commands that led people to spiritual truths. Now those truths are put directly into our hearts. There is no need for the earthly commands any longer--in fact it would be denying Christ within us to go back to them.