All have sinned .....Romans 3:23

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Do you believe God can make a human Egg, Fertilize it, and without having sex, plant that fertile seed into a woman's womb without having the woman's DNA and still be born a Sinless Human?

Do you think God is capable of doing that?
Yes, God can do that; the problem is scripture doesn't tell us that he did .... and Heavenly sperm and eggs make fully heavenly babies; the half god half human version is what Jesus was, per the scriptures
 
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Yes she was

But the penalty of sin was passed through adam, not Eve.

If spiritual death was passed through eve, then there would be no need of a virgin birth, and jesus would have been born disqualified to take our sin, he would be guilty also

The curse of adam was not passed to Jesus
So you claim the curse of sin for all descendants of Adam, skips his one descendant name Mary ?

Mary is related to Adam so she got the sin nature passed through Adam

You see, Adam and Eve had babies; they got some of Adams DNA and some of Eve's DNA; every one that ever cam after this has some of Adams DNA, male and female
 

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Yes, God can do that; the problem is scripture doesn't tell us that he did .... and Heavenly sperm and eggs make fully heavenly babies; the half god half human version is what Jesus was, per the scriptures
yes. So can God not have the curse of adam pass through the seed of adam, and not the egg? Knowing that the seed of the woman would birth christ?
 
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Yes, God can do that; the problem is scripture doesn't tell us that he did .... and Heavenly sperm and eggs make fully heavenly babies; the half god half human version is what Jesus was, per the scriptures
All Christ was required was to be Flesh for a human Sacrifice for our Sins. There are no rules how that must be done!

HE HAD TO DRINK FROM THE CUP TO HAVE SIN!

That should explain everything!
 

Everlasting-Grace

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So you claim the curse of sin for all descendants of Adam, skips his one descendant name Mary ?
No, I did not say that/

I said it was passed throug the seed of man, Not woman

eve sinned first. Yet the curse of death was passed through the seed of adam, not eve

Mary is related to Adam so she got the sin nature passed through Adam
yes, From her fathers seed, it was passed to her.

Mind if I ask what argument your trying to make?
 

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Do you believe God can make a human Egg, Fertilize it, and without having sex, plant that fertile seed into a woman's womb without having the woman's DNA and still be born a Sinless Human?

Do you think God is capable of doing that?
God can do what is within His nature, logic, and will. Scripture doesn't say how He did this so it is pointless to say how. All we know is through the Holy Spirit and Mary, Jesus was human and God incarnate.
 
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He broke one of His on commands

Matthew 22
39 A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”

He did not love the money changes as he taught us to do on the sermon on the mond and he did not love them as he loved himself
 

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He broke one of His on commands

Matthew 22
39 A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”

He did not love the money changes as he taught us to do on the sermon on the mond and he did not love them as he loved himself
If jesus sinned we are all dead in our sin.

He did to the money changers what they deserved. they were trying to get rich off the people in Jesus fathers house..
 
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But we cross reference and infer from other passages

Jeremiahs tells that God knits us together in the womb

Hebrews tells us He became fully man, like us in every way

So we can assume it was the traditional sense; I have no dougbt God spoke a glorius heavenly sperm into exist4ence, ex nihilo, and magically placed it in the virgins uterus, so she remained a virgin, and that holy sperm did what all sperms do, found a human, tainted egg, and fertilized it, growing in her uterus until birth she got tissue, chromosomes, DNA, flesh, and blood all from the mothers egg
 
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But we cross reference and infer from other passages

Jeremiahs tells that God knits us together in the womb

Hebrews tells us He became fully man, like us in every way

So we can assume it was the traditional sense; I have no dougbt God spoke a glorius heavenly sperm into exist4ence, ex nihilo, and magically placed it in the virgins uterus, so she remained a virgin, and that holy sperm did what all sperms do, found a human, tainted egg, and fertilized it, growing in her uterus until birth she got tissue, chromosomes, DNA, flesh, and blood all from the mothers egg
Jesus is God, the rules that apply to us does not apply to God!
 

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He broke one of His on commands

Matthew 22
39 A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”

He did not love the money changes as he taught us to do on the sermon on the mond and he did not love them as he loved himself
What is love?

What do you do with scriptures that say Jesus knew no sin?
 

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But we cross reference and infer from other passages

Jeremiahs tells that God knits us together in the womb

Hebrews tells us He became fully man, like us in every way

So we can assume it was the traditional sense; I have no dougbt God spoke a glorius heavenly sperm into exist4ence, ex nihilo, and magically placed it in the virgins uterus, so she remained a virgin, and that holy sperm did what all sperms do, found a human, tainted egg, and fertilized it, growing in her uterus until birth she got tissue, chromosomes, DNA, flesh, and blood all from the mothers egg
There is no magic when speaking of God. We can assume all day. It is logical to use what was provided with the female reproduction system but for all we know the egg could of supernaturally began to form a child. But this is God who literally created a woman from a man's rib. All we know, is what scripture tells us.
 
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What is love?

What do you do with scriptures that say Jesus knew no sin?
No, I dont think He sinned; He was capable but didnt

Love is defined by scripture:
1 Corinthians 13
4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

So, if scripture says THIS is love, apply that to Jesus going crazy in the temple; check off how many of these things he showed

Galatians 5:22
But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.


Same with this passage; I would ask, based on this passage, was Jesus filled with the fruit producing spirit when he tore up the money changers?
 
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There is no magic when speaking of God. We can assume all day. It is logical to use what was provided with the female reproduction system but for all we know the egg could of supernaturally began to form a child. But this is God who literally created a woman from a man's rib. All we know, is what scripture tells us.
We know He didnt make him like Eve, which he could have; rather, he used a human womb to become human; How did God do it? Well never know, but he supernaturally impregnated her womb.

Your way is creepy, like an alien growing embryos in a jar until they are ready; A fully God baby, with God for his mommy and daddy) stuck up in there in Mary; no need for her to be a virgin as her reproductive system had nothing to do with creating this baby
and told to act like a human when he comes out; this is your version....
 

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No, I dont think He sinned; He was capable but didnt

Love is defined by scripture:
1 Corinthians 13
4 Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.

So, if scripture says THIS is love, apply that to Jesus going crazy in the temple; check off how many of these things he showed

Galatians 5:22
But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.


Same with this passage; I would ask, based on this passage, was Jesus filled with the fruit producing spirit when he tore up the money changers?
Scripture also says God is love, it is His very essence. Remember though, God is also just and was angry plenty of times in the OT. God incarnate is the same. The money changers were thieves and corrupt. Jesus showed righteous anger and was just in doing so.
 

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We know He didnt make him like Eve, which he could have; rather, he used a human womb to become human; How did God do it? Well never know, but he supernaturally impregnated her womb.

Your way is creepy, like an alien growing embryos in a jar until they are ready; A fully God baby, with God for his mommy and daddy) stuck up in there in Mary; no need for her to be a virgin as her reproductive system had nothing to do with creating this baby
and told to act like a human when he comes out; this is your version....
Creepy? Lol I never said how it happened other than using scripture. If that is creepy then so be it.

I have no version other than Luke 1:34-35.

Do not assume.
 

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Some claim sin only passes through the mother......I'm not buying it
This is false--so good your not buying -----The Corrupt seed is passed through the male sperm (SEED-)------
Adam was created first and the woman was created from the man ------Adam was in Charge ---If Adam had of refused Eve's offer of the fruit ---there would have been no sin nature entering the any human ----

Jesus had to be born of a woman with no Human male involved -----the Holy Spirit who was sinless was involved with the birth of Jesus ----

Strong's Concordance
zera:
= semen virile, וְנִזְרְעָה זָ֑רַע Numbers 5:28, and she shall be made pregnant with seed; usually ׳שִׁכְּבַתזֿ, flow of semen


There was a law put in place for male ejaculation ---as it is tainted ----

Leviticus 15:16-18 ESV
“If a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water and be unclean until the evening. And every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water and be unclean until the evening. If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe themselves in water and be unclean until the evening.

Deuteronomy 23:10-11 ESV
“If any man among you becomes unclean because of a nocturnal emission, then he shall go outside the camp. He shall not come inside the camp, but when evening comes, he shall bathe himself in water, and as the sun sets, he may come inside the camp.
 

Roughsoul1991

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This is false--so good your not buying -----The Corrupt seed is passed through the male sperm (SEED-)------
Adam was created first and the woman was created from the man ------Adam was in Charge ---If Adam had of refused Eve's offer of the fruit ---there would have been no sin nature entering the any human ----

Jesus had to be born of a woman with no Human male involved -----the Holy Spirit who was sinless was involved with the birth of Jesus ----

Strong's Concordance
zera:
= semen virile, וְנִזְרְעָה זָ֑רַע Numbers 5:28, and she shall be made pregnant with seed; usually ׳שִׁכְּבַתזֿ, flow of semen


There was a law put in place for male ejaculation ---as it is tainted ----

Leviticus 15:16-18 ESV
“If a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water and be unclean until the evening. And every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water and be unclean until the evening. If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe themselves in water and be unclean until the evening.

Deuteronomy 23:10-11 ESV
“If any man among you becomes unclean because of a nocturnal emission, then he shall go outside the camp. He shall not come inside the camp, but when evening comes, he shall bathe himself in water, and as the sun sets, he may come inside the camp.
Did Mary carry the sin nature as well?