All have sinned .....Romans 3:23

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Dec 29, 2021
1,317
314
83
#21
Get a strongs
concordance and look up 2233. zera
Guess you have not studied this through!

ZERA = Masculine

So that would not be Mary's Seed, it is God's Seed!

Noun Masculine Transliteration: zera
 
Jan 7, 2022
146
15
18
#22
What brings the curse of sin is our DNA that scientifically links us back to the first 2 individuals. Of course, they will not say these 2 was Adam and Eve, but we know the names of these two. Through Adam, the curse was spread to all of mankind.
Thank you; so Jesus human half got half of this tainted DNA; that's how the science of procreation that God created works .....
 

FlyingDove

Senior Member
Dec 27, 2017
1,267
432
83
#23
So how did Jesus avoid having original sin?
sire = A biological father.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
(MY NOTE: The man is the sire & provides the genes necessary for the child's blood stream & therefore is the sin gene donor.)

Scripture is clear, Jesus was sinless:
2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, ""who knew no sin""; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
(MY NOTE: Christ/Jesus, ""who knew no sin"")

Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are,""yet without sin"".
(MY NOTE: Christ/Jesus, was tempted ""yet without sin"")

1 John 3:5 and ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and ""in him is no sin"".
(MY NOTE: Christ/Jesus, God manifested and ""in him is no sin"")

1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb ""without blemish and without spot"":
(MY NOTE: Christ/Jesus, the Lamb of God was ""without blemish and without spot"")

1 Peter 2:22 ""Who did no sin"", neither was guile found in his mouth:
(MY NOTE: Christ/Jesus, ""Who did no sin"" nor was any guile found in his mouth)

Conception and Birth of Jesus
Matt 1:
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been [j]betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child : 23

23 Behold, the [n]virgin shall be with child and give birth to a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel”—which, when translated, means, “God with us.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+1&version=AMP
(MY NOTE: The VIRGIN will have a child. The sinless Holy Spirit is Jesus Father

Jesus’ Birth Foretold
Luke 1:
26 Now in the sixth month [of Elizabeth’s pregnancy] the angel Gabriel was sent from God to a city in Galilee called Nazareth,

27 to a virgin [j]betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, a descendant of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary.

28 And coming to her, the angel said, “Greetings, favored one! The Lord is with you.”

29 But she was greatly perplexed at what he said, and kept carefully considering what kind of greeting this was. 30 The angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God.

31 Listen carefully: you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you shall name Him Jesus.

32 He will be great and eminent and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David;

33 and He will reign over the house of Jacob (Israel) forever, and of His kingdom there shall be no end.”

34 Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin and have no intimacy with any man?”

35 Then the angel replied to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you [like a cloud]; for that reason the holy (pure, sinless) Child shall be called the Son of God.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1&version=AMP
(MY NOTE: Vs 26 the angel Gabriel is sent, to Mary Vs 27. Vs 34 Mary say's how can I conceive since I'm a VIRGIN? Vs 35 the angel say's the Holy Spirit will cover you like a cloud & your child will be PURE & SINLESS)
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,846
4,503
113
#25
The egg came from God, He did not need Mary's egg.

Are you Mormon or JW?

You really want to destroy Christ!
How about we stop speculation from both of you as scripture doesn't tell us how it happened. It happend that's all we know. The Holy Spirit came apon her.

Luke 1

34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”

35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,846
4,503
113
#26
Sure about that ? ? Jesus said we will do greater works than He; we aren't ordinary humans; some are filled with the same spirit that raised Christ from the dead .....
John 14:12
"'I tell you the truth, anyone who believes in me will do the same works I have done, and even greater works, because I am going to be with the Father."
Yes but by who's power? Who's authority? We do nothing of our own.
 
Dec 29, 2021
1,317
314
83
#27
How about we stop speculation from both of you as scripture doesn't tell us how it happened. It happend that's all we know. The Holy Spirit came apon her.

Luke 1

34 And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”

35 And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.
Really?

We have all the examples how God Commanded Angels to never touch human women.
We have ZERA, which means God's EGG and SEED was planted into Mary.
If it is God's Egg and Seed, it means NO SEX ONLY INVITRO.

We have all we need to make a conclusion here!
 
Jan 7, 2022
146
15
18
#28
The egg came from God, He did not need Mary's egg.

Are you Mormon or JW?

You really want to destroy Christ!
So you say Jesus is not human how all: God made himself pregnant and stuck it in mary to cary and plop out....how royally divine

Please show us the verse where it says God used his own holy sperm on his Holy eggs; there are some who worship a god who have both male and female organs, his name is Baphomet

I think you are confusing him with YWVH

he cannot be fully human, like us in everyway if his mommy and daddy were both God

So you believe scripture has errors and contradictions .....yes ?
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,846
4,503
113
#29
Thank you; so Jesus human half got half of this tainted DNA; that's how the science of procreation that God created works .....
Except the divine nature He could not sin so the curse was broken in Him through His sacrifice.

50/50 don't forget that.
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,846
4,503
113
#30
Really?

We have all the examples how God Commanded Angels to never touch human women.
We have ZERA, which means God's EGG and SEED was planted into Mary.
If it is God's Egg and Seed, it means NO SEX ONLY INVITRO.

We have all we need to make a conclusion here!
Literally all you have is Luke 1: 34-35. Please show me where it describes how this was done?
 
Jan 7, 2022
146
15
18
#31
Yes but by who's power? Who's authority? We do nothing of our own.
If you don't know, I wont tell you; but here is a hint: It is buy the same power that Jesus was able to all HIs miracles
 
Dec 29, 2021
1,317
314
83
#32
So you say Jesus is not human how all: God made himself pregnant and stuck it in mary to cary and plop out....how royally divine

Please show us the verse where it says God used his own holy sperm on his Holy eggs; there are some who worship a god who have both male and female organs, his name is Baphomet

I think you are confusing him with YWVH

he cannot be fully human, like us in everyway if his mommy and daddy were both God

So you believe scripture has errors and contradictions .....yes ?
He was Made Flesh. Didn't God make Adam Flesh in Creation?
God can make His Own Seed into Flesh by himself. He just needed a womb to carry it to term.
 
Jan 7, 2022
146
15
18
#33
Except the divine nature He could not sin so the curse was broken in Him through His sacrifice.

50/50 don't forget that.

then Hebrews is wrong, he wasnt fully man, and he wasn't the second Adam; he had to be lkike us in everyway, that's what the word says
 

Roughsoul1991

Senior Member
Sep 17, 2016
8,846
4,503
113
#36
If you don't know, I wont tell you; but here is a hint: It is buy the same power that Jesus was able to all HIs miracles
Exactly. It isn't of our nature and power but only through the Spirit.
 
Jan 7, 2022
146
15
18
#37
He was Made Flesh. Didn't God make Adam Flesh in Creation?
God can make His Own Seed into Flesh by himself. He just needed a womb to carry it to term.
Sola Scriptura and all that

Refresh our memory where scripture says God has ovaries and got Himself pregnant and implanted into Mary
Psalms 139 says we are knit together in the womb, not INVITRO
 
Dec 29, 2021
1,317
314
83
#40
Sola Scriptura and all that

Refresh our memory where scripture says God has ovaries and got Himself pregnant and implanted into Mary
Psalms 139 says we are knit together in the womb, not INVITRO
Christ is not us and we are not Christ!

First and foremost, Christ is the WORD!